Night of the Living Dead (1990) - Out of Print

[Cahleb]

Originally Posted by wicky_J

http://www.screenarchives.com/displa...m?category=546

it's not on that list though?

i know the pre-order is in two weeks but is that also the day it'll be added?

[UNCMT9]

Originally Posted by #Darren

Of course, if you want it get it. I have done the same with several TT titles. I don't think anyone is saying don't get it if you are willing to spend the money.

And it's all relative to what people find enjoyable and worthwhile. For some people , this is $30 well spent and they'll enjoy every second of it. I hope they do!

[ROclockCK]

Originally Posted by balthazar_bee

I guess I just figured that people who post on blu-ray.com were..."enthusiastic" (if not passionate) about movies.

I've made this mistake before. Packaging and bargain hunting seem to be top dogs now.

In the nineties, laserdiscs were head and shoulders above the alternative, and the alternative -- VHS -- could sometimes reach $20-30. Was buying VHS a "specialty" hobby as well?

In fact, I have to disagree with the assertion that collecting media is common as mud. Maybe five to ten years ago. If anything, I'd say culture is moving in the opposite direction. "Why take up space in my home with a physical copy when I can just watch it online?"

As for pricing, well, I can't help it if people know the price of everything and the value of nothing. It's not like I'm talking about the dark ages here. I'd save up and buy the films I wanted in the best format available; I do the same today. $30 is too much? One is free not to buy. But to say thirty dollars is a "nuts" price to spend for a physical copy of a film in a top-tier presentation, well, it wasn't that long ago that a blu-ray under twenty dollars felt like a miracle. I just think it helps to have a sense of history.

balthazar_bee. Been there. Seen it. Done it.

$29.95 Blu-rays from Twilight Time, especially of such routine fine quality, are practically a gift. I'm in this for the mooovies, and they get that right...month...after month...after year...hopefully for many more to come.

[DetroitSportsFan]

Originally Posted by Cahleb

it's not on that list though?

i know the pre-order is in two weeks but is that also the day it'll be added?

There will be an exact preorder link posted here on the 14th.

[wicky_J]

Originally Posted by Cahleb

it's not on that list though?

i know the pre-order is in two weeks but is that also the day it'll be added?

It's not on the list because the pre-order is not currently available, but once the pre-order goes up it'll be listed there. Happy hunting.

[coldheart]

Originally Posted by balthazar_bee

I think I sense another "back in the days of laserdisc" rant in the offing.

Hardly nuts. Seriously, I happily paid something like $100 for Elite's awesome NOTLD68 release. Remember the one, with that lovely colour photo of Ben holding a torch on the porch on the cover? Of course you don't. Thirty for a blu-ray quality NOTLD90 isn't an agonizing decision.

I remember and still have it.

[Cahleb]

Originally Posted by wicky_J

It's not on the list because the pre-order is not currently available, but once the pre-order goes up it'll be listed there. Happy hunting.

thank you. so is the 30$ price confirmed?

[bgart13]

Originally Posted by Cahleb

thank you. so is the 30$ price confirmed?

Either that or $35.

[wicky_J]

Originally Posted by bgart13

Either that or $35.

Either way PLUS shipping, so we're looking at 35-40$

[Blu Titan]

Originally Posted by ROclockCK

Indeed SpartanIre.

But the problem here is many posters routinely mention TT and SAE in the same breath as if they are the same company. They are not. TT authors, manufactures, and packages. SAE promotes, processes payment, and ships. So it's SAE's policies regarding multiple unit orders that some are really decrying here, and to understand why SAE does it this way, you have to look at how they handle other media, specifically limited edition soundtrack CDs.

SAE is a collector-focused venue with a steady, longstanding, and trusting customer base, most of whom know by now that when they see a CD soundtrack limited to 3000, 2000, or even 1000, then pre-order date (or soon thereafter) is their time to act, because they will be up against not only other enthusiastic collectors but also a handful of deep-pocket speculators. Some of these limited edition CD soundtracks have been total MIAs from the market, and with such a pent up customer demand over decades, they occasionally sell like hotcakes immediately, and sell out very quickly. Other titles linger in stock for years. But with a limited release model, you have little or no wiggle-room on price, your fixed costs will kill you otherwise, so both TT and SAE need those occasional 'barnstorming' titles that turn a profit and sellout quickly. Why would either company implement a maximum unit per customer policy that could sabotage that? For all they know, a particular movie might turn out to be of little interest domestically, but is the hottest thing ever in Oz and somebody down under is group buying multiple Blu-rays for friends and fans to save on shipping. The producer did the title, they did it as well as the surviving materials would allow, their distributor made as many folks aware of the release as possible via their available means, so the rest is up to customers...who have either been waiting for it and want it, or decide they didn't want it that badly after all.

Night of the Living Dead 1990 was just such an opportunity - and challenge - for both companies. A solid HD transfer was available from Sony, which the studio made clear they had no intention of taking to Blu-ray themselves. If you listen only to the 'core geeks, this title will be a slam dunk and early sellout. But there's no guarantee of that - look what happened after similarly high expectations and predictions for As Good As It Gets - and yet it's still there, no 500 remaining emails sent. NOTLD90 could turn out to be another "must have" title that fewer than expected actually buy. 'Net buzz is unreliable for stuff like this...it tends to be from a small 'tight' pool...which might only translate into a few hundred extra day one pre-orders. I mean, how many forum posters - not only here but elsewhere - who shout "Day One", are in reality saying "Day Maybe" "Day Eventually" or "Day Never at That Price"?

So if a speculator is willing to buy 10 of these Blu-rays hoping to flip them for a profit downstream, then why wouldn't both TT and SAE be glad to shift their own hard dollar risk to those willing to take an equally risky gamble? Their bottom line looks the same either way.

Not everyone expected for As Good as it Gets to be a sellout. That movie has been played out in the national TV networks, nonpremium cable channels,ect. In addition, it as a drama with a zero cult following. All of those facts indicate that there was zero chance of it selling out at an above premium price.

Lets not cloud the issues here...TT plays to the collector's mentality not to the average movie lover/customer. They would love nothing more than for this title to sell out in order to create hype/increase the expectations of collectors.

[*PREACHER*]

Any news or rumors of this being signed by Savini?
Figuring TT did well with the hype of Tom Holland w/ Fright Night.

[ROclockCK]

Originally Posted by Blu Titan

Not everyone expected for As Good as it Gets to be a sellout. That movie has been played out in the national TV networks, nonpremium cable channels,ect. In addition, it as a drama with a zero cult following. All of those facts indicate that there was zero chance of it selling out at an above premium price.

You might have known that. And I strongly suspected that. But the activity on these boards and elsewhere created an entirely different picture of its prospects Blu Titan. I was only suggesting that NOTLD90 has been following a similar pattern. And in sales, media or otherwise, it's all about completion. We won't know till we know...and neither will TT and SAE.

In any case, this was all in the context of explaining why neither company would want to limit individual sales quantities on their titles. No doubt that would be wise whenever 100 autographed copies become available. Perhaps even when a title hits the 500 remaining mark. But out of the gate, it's fair game for whoever wants it...either personally, or as a speculative investment. With a fixed bottom line and so much up front investment, neither company can afford to sit there trying to second guess the often fickle market. The title either sells or it doesn't...why should TT or SAE want to gatekeep to whom and how many?

Originally Posted by Blu Titan

Lets not cloud the issues here...TT plays to the collector's mentality not to the average movie lover/customer. They would love nothing more than for this title to sell out in order to create hype/increase the expectations of collectors.

Well of course they would! And why not? Except for more mainstream titles like NOTLD90, TT primarily pitches to diehard collectors who are interested in long-forgotten movie esoterica, most of which has never even seen any kind of home video release. Redman, Jamieson, and Kirgo are foremost movie fans themselves (just check out the commentaries, soundtrack restorations, and behind-the-scenes documentaries they've been involved with over the years...it's dizzying). These people cater to movie fans and collectors because they are movie fans and collectors. They understand that movie passion, despite the typically smaller numbers. But they're a business too, and have to pay the bills. So when a more popular 'cult lightning rod' title like NOTLD90 or Fright Night lands in their laps, and generates more robust sales...well...I say good on 'em for being smart enough and savvy enough to recognize that opportunity and take full advantage of it.

Bottom line: Sony wasn't interested in doing NOTLD90. And Mill Creek would have just shovelled it out on a low-Q double bill. So there goes your so-called "average movie lover/customer" right there. At least from TT, the "true fans" of NOTLD90 - the reason this label even exists - will not only finally get it on Blu-ray, but no doubt see it treated with the kind of care that makes it something worth appreciating and re-appreciating.

By my standards, worth every dime.

[therock666]

may the Blob 1988 will be the next horror tile fromtwilight time me hopes

[DetroitSportsFan]

Originally Posted by therock666

may the Blob 1988 will be the next horror tile fromtwilight time me hopes

Christine is another possibility.

[manta53]

Originally Posted by junyab

I'd give you the opposite advice - don't buy it if your not 100% - leave that copy for someone who's a real fan of the film.

For the love god THIS 100%! I mean I badly want a copy of this blu ray and to think that people that are like meh don't really want this but I'll buy it anyway, is so annoying!!

[jjdpw50]

Originally Posted by therock666

may the Blob 1988 will be the next horror tile fromtwilight time me hopes

I hope so, that is a must have imo.

[Mr.Dig]

Originally Posted by therock666

may the Blob 1988 will be the next horror tile fromtwilight time me hopes

+1000! Oh yes!

[HDMe]

Originally Posted by ROclockCK

Lets not cloud the issues here...TT plays to the collector's mentality not to the average movie lover/customer. They would love nothing more than for this title to sell out in order to create hype/increase the expectations of collectors.

Short term, yes... in the short term, if all Twilight Time cares about is profit and sellout then yes it works in the short term... but long-term? Speculators have ruined more than one market and more than one business... History tells us that speculators come in and pounce at perceived collectables and that results in things being perceived as rarer than they actually are... and then eventually the bottom falls out, and it can take down a whole corner of the industry.

I'd hate to see Twilight Time taken down by short-term speculators who then pull out the rug in 6 months... if their model succeeds on its own merit, I'm fine with that... but if they are befallen by speculators, that will be sad.

Originally Posted by ROclockCK

Bottom line: Sony wasn't interested in doing NOTLD90. And Mill Creek would have just shovelled it out on a low-Q double bill. So there goes your so-called "average movie lover/customer" right there. At least from TT, the "true fans" of NOTLD90 - the reason this label even exists - will not only finally get it on Blu-ray, but no doubt see it treated with the kind of care that makes it something worth appreciating and re-appreciating.

This doesn't make full sense, though... You know that Sony is just giving a transfer to either Twilight Time or Mill Creek in this case.. and neither is doing anything with it.

In fact... I wager that IF we had the opportunity to do such a thing, you'd find the $5 Mill Creek release has the same transfer and lack of extras as the $30 Twilight Time release... so why would you want to pay $25 more for no reason?

If we were talking about Shout Factory who does some work with the transfers they get AND adds lots of extras... then we have a more-bang-for-your-buck argument and I'd much rather a Shout Factory release than a Mill Creek one!

But Twilight vs Mill Creek? We've seen nothing to indicate that the end-product we get from either company differs substantially except in price!

[dsman71]

Originally Posted by jjdpw50

I hope so, that is a must have imo.

The Blob remake is owned by Paramount, which means either they will release it, or Olive films. Right now its collecting dust in the vaults. It needs some bonus features and a sharper transfer.

**Update** a dsOOPS it is Columbia for some reason I thought it was paramount. Ok Im pulling down my pants and awaiting the wooden spoon

[Akijama]

Originally Posted by dsman71

The Blob remake is owned by Paramount

Nope.It's owned by Sony through TriStar Pictures.