Night of the Living Dead (1990) - Out of Print

[AgentOrange]

Originally Posted by popeflick

Having worked at one of the larger studios around town, I feel pretty confident in the following: Sony would prevent TT from going back and doing the tweak themselves most likely for legal reasons pertaining to their specific contract and possibly other, 3rd parties.

In short, I would be VERY SURPRISED if the onus isn't ONLY on Sony to make any type of fix. And with that in mind, they're going to look at the $90k check they've already gotten and not give two whips about anyone or anything said on these forums and others.

With that in mind, offering a full unquestioned refund is the only thing TT can most likely provide. Their hands are most likely tied in this regard, contractually (remember Sony won't allow for produced extras).

So they've already done all they can, the only follow up is their passing along what Sony tells them about the change, and this is important, if they even can or will. From my reading this transfer was done a few years ago (2005ish?). The person who produced it might no longer be there. If that's the case it becomes a paper trail to follow and their legal affairs department will more than likely say "we sold it for you at $90k so we wouldn't have to chase paper trails like this. Sorry." That's what they do.

So TT has more than likely delivered, like it or not.

I just see them as having a better relationship with Sony and Fox than to just let them drop the ball and say "too bad". Even though Sony's financial obligation is fulfilled, as long as it is within reason I just believe they would want to correct their mistake as a good business practice.

Twilight Time is one of Sony's customers in the same way we are Twilight Time's customers. You dont' fc%6 over your customers.

[ChristmasFnatic]

Lets just have Mortal Kombat to resolve this eh? Team Complain vs. Team Defense!

[thephantomcat]

Anyone who is trying to defend the transfer by saying it's day for night is 100% wrong. The opening was shot during the day and was set in the day. It doesn't become night until we actually see the moon rising. This is on the director's commentary. He wanted the opening to be murky and spooky, but the weather did not permit and he just ran with the bright afternoon he had to work with.

The Blu-ray is obviosly darker and has a blue tint. This was done in house by Sony. Did Sony know about this and was it intentional is the question at hand and what are they doing to do about it if it wasn't?

A replacement program would be a miracle. How many times has that actually happened? And how often has Sony done one?

[Mr Kite]

Again has anyone come forward and said what the fek has happened.................if not what you guy's arguing about, honestly think about it????????????

[Undeadcow]

Hypothetically wouldn't a large movie studio like Sony carry insurance of some sort on their transfers and releases? If a print is botched or a negative damaged I doubt they are just out of pocket the cost.

[Ill_Be_Back]

Originally Posted by tele1962

Again has anyone come forward and said what the fek has happened.................if not what you guy's arguing about, honestly think about it????????????

No, not yet anyway

[popeflick]

Originally Posted by AgentOrange

I just see them as having a better relationship with Sony and Fox than to just let them drop the ball and say "too bad". Even though Sony's financial obligation is fulfilled, as long as it is within reason I just believe they would want to correct their mistake as a good business practice.

Twilight Time is one of Sony's customers in the same way we are Twilight Time's customers. You dont' fc%6 over your customers.

Except that TT is a cheap customer for Sony. Again, they're only getting $90k for title in what's more than likely a 'take it or leave it' offer. So in effect if TT wants more Sony titles, then Sony has them bent over a chair. It's pretty simple and your wishes are more than likely pie in the sky.

[Whirlygig]

Originally Posted by thephantomcat

A replacement program would be a miracle. How many times has that actually happened? And how often has Sony done one?

I can't answer the question about Sony, but replacement programs happen all the time, unless you meant to limit the scope of your question to limited edition releases like TT's (in which case I also can't answer the question).

Criterion has done replacements on two of their Blus already, for audio issues which IMO pale in comparison to this one. There was also recently the Star Trek TNG: Season 1 set where 4 out of 6 discs in a 6-disc set were replaced extremely quickly for audio issues which, again, were nothing compared to this. Not to mention numerous other titles -- Pinocchio, for something almost laughable by comparison, comes to mind, and I think Pirates of the Caribbean had one. West Side Story for something relatively minor as well. The Hitchcock set came close, but was caught before release by early reviewers, and discs will be re-pressed and re-packaged for it. The list goes on.

[Mr Kite]

Originally Posted by Ill_Be_Back

No, not yet anyway

Well that is something, " no news is good news" as the saying goes.

[Seymour]

Originally Posted by thephantomcat

A replacement program would be a miracle. How many times has that actually happened? And how often has Sony done one?

The Fifth Element is the only one I can remember. Obviously, that was a blu-ray that they released themselves.

Also, I don't know if a replacement program was in effect--I just know that they re-released it.

[Ill_Be_Back]

Originally Posted by tele1962

Well that is something, " no news is good news" as the saying goes.

I want to know at least why the film has the blue tint...

[iamnoone]

Originally Posted by Whirlygig

I can't answer the question about Sony, but replacement programs happen all the time, unless you meant to limit the scope of your question to limited edition releases like TT's (in which case I also can't answer the question).

Criterion has done replacements on two of their Blus already, for audio issues which IMO pale in comparison to this one. There was also recently the Star Trek TNG: Season 1 set where 4 out of 6 discs in a 6-disc set were replaced extremely quickly for audio issues which, again, were nothing compared to this. Not to mention numerous other titles -- Pinocchio, for something almost laughable, comes to mind, and I think Pirates of the Caribbean had one. West Side Story for something minor as well. The list goes on.

Yes, but most replacement programs are for titles that the studio or label wants to correct because they are still planning on selling more copies, probably thousands more. To do a correction/replacement program on a limited edition disc that is already sold out and has zero more future potential sales is highly unlikely

Btw, what were the two Criterion Blus that had replacements?

[Mr Kite]

Originally Posted by Ill_Be_Back

I want to know at least why the film has the blue tint...

I am sure they are working franticly to get the answer to that as they have to make sure the answer they give is the correct one........and i am positve that will come sooner rather than later.

[Ill_Be_Back]

Originally Posted by tele1962

I am sure they are working franticly to get the answer to that and they have to make sure the answer they give is the correct one........and i am positve that will come sooner rather than later.

Well let's hope it's a good answer

[Whirlygig]

Originally Posted by iamnoone

Yes, but most replacement programs are for titles that the studio or label wants to correct because they are still planning on selling more copies, probably thousands more. To do a correction/replacement program on a limited edition disc that is already sold out and has zero more future potential sales is highly unlikely

Btw, what were the two Criterion Blus that had replacements?

I tend to agree with you about the likelihood of TT doing it for this, that's why I led with my first paragraph (but according to thephantomcat's figures, they could do so and still break even, and it would buy them loads of goodwill, so I won't say it's impossible).

The Criterion Blus were the White disc from the Three Colors trilogy, and one of the discs in Carlos (pretty sure it was disc 2).

[Mr Kite]

Originally Posted by Ill_Be_Back

Well let's hope it's a good answer

It is in their interest to keep the customer happy..........without customers we all know what happens.

[thephantomcat]

Maybe they will foot the bill for a new transfer if that's a possibility? But it seems that is only an option if there has been a mistake. If Sony meant to do this, then there is no possibility of that happening.

[retablo]

Originally Posted by Whirlygig

I tend to agree with you about the likelihood of TT doing it for this, that's why I led with my first paragraph (but according to thephantomcat's figures, they could do so and still break even, and it would buy them loads of goodwill, so I won't say it's impossible).

The Criterion Blus were the White disc from the Three Colors trilogy, and one of the discs in Carlos (pretty sure it was disc 2).

And they DIDN'T "fix" the issue with Blue, which seems to be a similar case here. The entire HD master was misframed by MK2. Criterion uses masters licensed by other companies, just like TT, but there's nothing they can do unless MK2 redoes the master, then Criterion would have to red- their entire post work for a fix. Not gonna happen, unfortunately, and we're left with a misframed Blue and, as of now, a supposedly botched NOLTD.

In that case, and in this, all that's needed is an official statement from the director or DP (in Blue's case, since Kieslowski is deceased) as to whether or not it's correct. It's really that simple, yet what studio wants to admit to making a huge mistake that will cost them plenty to fix?

[Mr Kite]

Originally Posted by thephantomcat

Maybe they will foot the bill for a new transfer if that's a possibility? But it seems that is only an option if there has been a mistake. If Sony meant to do this, then there is no possibility of that happening.

If Sony did this without any input from any of the Directorial team i would recommend returning your discs...........if they do not change the colour timing back to what the members of the said team wanted........again we will have to wait and see.

[slimdude]

Originally Posted by retablo

we're left with a misframed Blue and, as of now, a supposedly botched NOLTD.

Not necessarily! You can return the blu-ray for a full refund, If you don't want it.