Night of the Living Dead (1990) - Out of Print

[dsman71]

Originally Posted by Akijama

Nope.It's owned by Sony through TriStar Pictures.

Yep it is , I sit corrected So maybe TT could get this. I thought it was the Blob maybe it was something else I was thinking of.

[Akijama]

Originally Posted by dsman71

Yep it is , I sit corrected So maybe TT could get this.

Yeah,The Blob is a safe bet for TT,But,who knows...maybe Scream Factory will get it,or already did

[jebhdb]

Originally Posted by HDMe

In fact... I wager that IF we had the opportunity to do such a thing, you'd find the $5 Mill Creek release has the same transfer and lack of extras as the $30 Twilight Time release... so why would you want to pay $25 more for no reason?

But Twilight vs Mill Creek? We've seen nothing to indicate that the end-product we get from either company differs substantially except in price!

Exactly!

[ROclockCK]

Originally Posted by HDMe

Short term, yes... in the short term, if all Twilight Time cares about is profit and sellout then yes it works in the short term... but long-term? Speculators have ruined more than one market and more than one business... History tells us that speculators come in and pounce at perceived collectables and that results in things being perceived as rarer than they actually are... and then eventually the bottom falls out, and it can take down a whole corner of the industry.

...followed by "human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together...mass hysteria!" I mean, whoa. First of all, that was Blu Titan's quote you were responding to HDme, not mine. Secondly, I think you're blowing the influence of speculators completely out of proportion here...I don't think it's even a significant percentage with TT titles, otherwise, nobody would be getting these Blu's, they'd be snapped up practically overnight and only available from Amazon and eBay after market sellers. Even the fastest sellout to date was 35 days...5 full weeks! The other 2 took months. Clearly, fans and collectors are buying most of these discs.

Originally Posted by HDMe

You know that Sony is just giving a transfer to either Twilight Time or Mill Creek in this case.. and neither is doing anything with it.

Sure they are, but TT doesn't shovel it out like Mill Creek does (mentioned only because the latter now has access to *some* older Sony masters). But if you truly believe Mill Creek has the same authoring and disc production standards as TT, including use of 50GB discs when warranted, or lossless master audio, or isolated scores, or commentaries whenever available, or an 8-page collector booklet with actually knowledgable writing in it plus the original poster art, then I have some vacation property in Novosibirsk you might be interested in...

[prozacnation1978]

I will grab my copy on my lunch break on sept 14th. If it's sold out it's sold out no big deal. But I doubt they will sell out with 3 hours

[DetroitSportsFan]

Originally Posted by prozacnation1978

I will grab my copy on my lunch break on sept 14th. If it's sold out it's sold out no big deal. But I doubt they will sell out with 3 hours

Don't worry, they won't.

[dsman71]

Originally Posted by Akijama

Yeah,The Blob is a safe bet for TT,But,who knows...maybe Scream Factory will get it,or already did

I hope its Scream Factory due to cheaper price and they will give it extras

[HDMe]

Originally Posted by ROclockCK

...followed by "human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together...mass hysteria!" I mean, whoa.

That's hyperbole... but I'm telling you, I've see comics and trading cards and other collectible markets setback 20 years by speculators... and there are fans and business left as casualties when it happens.

Originally Posted by ROclockCK

First of all, that was Blu Titan's quote you were responding to HDme, not mine.

Yeah, I don't know what happened there... I had your message quoted, but then when I posted it somehow only kept Blu-Titan's quote and not the portion of your message I was also quoting.

Weird.

Originally Posted by ROclockCK

Secondly, I think you're blowing the influence of speculators completely out of proportion here...

Maybe... but we have seen a lot of copies of Fright Night up for $100+ on eBay and Amazon... and many in this forum have said due to that they were planning on buying multiples of Night of the Living Dead to flip for profit...

And when we are talking about only 3000 copies... each person buying just 2 copies reduces the potential customers able to order from SAE by 1500!

Some in here are talking about buying 5-10 copies... those add up in a hurry when you are only talking about 3000 available to start with.

Originally Posted by ROclockCK

I don't think it's even a significant percentage with TT titles, otherwise, nobody would be getting these Blu's,

To be fair... compared to the Blu-ray customer base, "nobody" is... there are WAY more than 3000 Blu-ray customers buying movies... so when you only have 3000 of something, and people start talking about buying multiples... you just severely impacted the number of people who can buy them.

Right now, only Fright Night has seen this phenomenon... but we are primed to see it repeat with Night of the Living Dead, and maybe even Enemy Mine.

Originally Posted by ROclockCK

they'd be snapped up practically overnight and only available from Amazon and eBay after market sellers. Even the fastest sellout to date was 35 days...5 full weeks! The other 2 took months. Clearly, fans and collectors are buying most of these discs.

We don't know that, though... and like I said... with people planning in this very forum to buy 5 or more copies... IF this sells out as quickly as Fright Night then we will absolutely know that many fans didn't get copies thanks to speculators who bought multiples to flip for profit.

Originally Posted by ROclockCK

Sure they are, but TT doesn't shovel it out like Mill Creek does (mentioned only because the latter now has access to *some* older Sony masters).

Depends on how you define "shoveling"... I mean, if Sony gives their copy to either company and said company slaps it on a disc without doing anything to the transfer... then what's the difference?

Originally Posted by ROclockCK

But if you truly believe Mill Creek has the same authoring and disc production standards as TT,

I don't know that they don't. We would have to see a movie released by the companies in common to be sure... but since we know the transfers (and that includes the audio as well) are being supplied to each of them... the authoring of the disc is really a small part of the process.

Originally Posted by ROclockCK

including use of 50GB discs when warranted, or lossless master audio,

What does the size of the disc have to do with anything? Since we are talking about barebones releases for BOTH companies here, no extras... most movies will fit on a BD-25... so putting it on a BD-50 and being half-empty isn't an advantage... and the lossless audio has to come from the movie studio... Twilight Time isn't mixing the audio... they are taking what they get... Mill Creek would get the same thing.

Originally Posted by ROclockCK

or isolated scores, or commentaries whenever available,

Again, these are provided by the studios... not commissioned by Twilight Time or Mill Creek... so if the studio has them and is willing to license them, then either company can have them.

Originally Posted by ROclockCK

or an 8-page collector booklet with actually knowledgable writing in it plus the original poster art,

I grant you that... a lot of movies and TV shows just don't come with inserts anymore... and I like inserts when they are well done. But is that insert worth the $25 difference?

[ROclockCK]

Originally Posted by HDMe

That's hyperbole...

Look HDme, none of this is particularly relevant or useful to this discussion of NOTLD90, so why not let it go? We both said our piece several posts ago. Others will make up their own minds whether this title is worth it or not. They buy. They don't buy. The sun still shines. The world still turns...

My original wee point was this Blu-ray will not sell out instantly because hundreds of imagined shark speculators smell another Fright Night and swamp the boat by ordering 100 copies each. NOTLD90 will be available long enough for anyone who really wants it to get one. How long is the big question at this point.

Unless, of course, TT convinces Savini to autograph some copies...

[#Darren]

Originally Posted by HDMe

But Twilight vs Mill Creek? We've seen nothing to indicate that the end-product we get from either company differs substantially except in price!

Funny you say that as I was just thinking the same thing yesterday.

[Kriztoffer Swank]

I've never seen this remake but have always wanted to, and this Blu-ray seems like a fine time to check it out.

However, I heard a previous DVD edition had a full-length commentary by Savini plus a behind-the-scenes video or documentary which contained some of the cut scenes. Those would definitely make this feel like a more complete package, to be honest; barebones/an isolated film score would feel kind of cheap to me this time around when a prior video version contained a bit more.

Though ideally we'd have the cut footage restored and available via seamless branching. Probably being way too hopeful there...

Definitely gonna get this Blu-ray whatever the case.

[Forever Knight]

Originally Posted by Kriztoffer Swank

I've never seen this remake but have always wanted to, and this Blu-ray seems like a fine time to check it out.

It's one of those rare occasions where the remake is on the same level of awesome as the original.

[Akijama]

Originally Posted by dsman71

I hope its Scream Factory due to cheaper price and they will give it extras

Can't argue with that

[PuppetMasterBlu]

Regarding the one movie per person

From Twilight Time's Facebook:
Have you considered limiting the number of copies of a particular title that customers can purchase? Given that only 3000 copies of each movie are available, setting a limit of, say, 2 per customer would help ensure they end up in the hands of the actual fans and not scalpers/ebayers.

Twilight Time DVD Label A good suggestion, Margaret, but it is unnecessary at this time for the following reason: only 3 of TT's 30 releases to date have sold out, which indicates that "scalpers/ebayers" have little interest in our product. Were the statistics reversed, and that say, 27 of the 30 titles had sold out, we might consider initiating a policy such as yours...the 3,000 unit number we chose to limit all our titles to was based on solid research and sales demographics - it was not arbitrary. The fact that only 3 titles have exhausted their run more than supports the wisdom of the numbers. For most deep-catalogue titles, 3,000 is more than adequate by a substantial margin.


Also regarding the Autographed 100 copies

From Twilight Time's Facebook:Any idea if they'll be doing autographed NotLD?

Twilight Time DVD Label Not this time.

So there servers probably won't crash this time at least.

[popeflick]

Saying that "speculators" caused problems with the card and comic book market IS true, but the conditions of those hobbies do NOT reflect what's happening here, let's be real.

The card crash was caused from the influx of grading which led to the speculation that caused wildly hi prices. EVNTUALLY, that market crashed - or because it was so extreme - corrected itself. Meaning that cards you saw go up by 5, 6x their value ended up being a bit more than you initially paid for them if you got in early. If you bought at the hieght of the frenzy, then it's like any stock at that point.

Speculators caused the comic book problems in large part because publishers began printing hundreds of thousands of issues which had a different cover from the same comic book. Result: X-Men #1 had over a million copies printed with 5 different covers, a gatefold collected cover etc. So market saturation was what cocked up that example and right now 20 years later those "collector's issues" aren't worth what you paid for them in 1991.

This has nothing to do with speculators on a VERY limited run. They are going to drive up the price, but if someone buys 5 and sell 2 for their hundred bucks, what if the market doesn't support selling their last 3 for even 50 bucks? There's no guarantee here, other than in this case those speculating will hurt themselves by sitting on stock they are asking too high a price for. No one's going to be driving up the price on basically an unlimited quantity of these things in order to sit on them, this seems to be about churning them over and making some scratch.

So, the analogy of cards and comics fails in very many ways: within a year I'd be willing to bet that 85% of the NOTLD blus will be in 2800 different hands with a few people sitting on a two hundred copies. Big deal.

Also, why would TT limit this? Each sellout puts greater emphasis on getting the next potential release and getting it earlier. If NOTLD sells out faster than FN that doesn't mean it's ONLY because of speculators as you are flat out ignring the number of people who have become aware of TT in the past year. It's going to be a mix of both in that event, not just one or the other.

[HDMe]

The point I was making, if you read my posts, was to say that "I hope this doesn't happen"... I never said it had already happened!

I was just pointing out the trajectory... Fright Night definitely had speculators, otherwise there wouldn't be the multiple listings on eBay and Amazon... In this forum we see many speculating on Night of the Living Dead.

As the saying goes... 2 is a coincidence, 3 is a trend... and so forth... So I'm just saying, I hope that it doesn't become a problem... not that it already is... just the "warning" that it could get out of hand in a hurry if enough people jump on a few different movies for speculation.

[Kriztoffer Swank]

Originally Posted by Forever Knight

It's one of those rare occasions where the remake is on the same level of awesome as the original.

That's what I hear. One guy I know swears it's even better than the original. I have an immense love for Romero's so I don't know that I could ever feel the same, but I won't know for sure till I've seen Savini's a few times.

Should I feel gypped in any way that uncut footage and commentary may not be supplied for this release, or is the theatrical cut perfectly fine on its own? Just wondering if I should maybe pick the old DVD up on the cheap in addition.

[Ned Schneebly]

this movie introduced me to Tony Todd it will forever be in my heart

[RodneyOz]

Originally Posted by Kriztoffer Swank

Should I feel gypped in any way that uncut footage and commentary may not be supplied for this release, or is the theatrical cut perfectly fine on its own? Just wondering if I should maybe pick the old DVD up on the cheap in addition.

The commentary track WILL be on this release, according to TT on their Facebook page. Also a trailer, but not the doco.

[duggie walker]

Originally Posted by Forever Knight

It's one of those rare occasions where the remake is on the same level of awesome as the original.

Nah. I mean it's only my opinion but it's not better. It's good, which was more than anyone was expecting. A bit like the DAWN remake but not as radically different, being that Savini's in charge. It's in the second top tier of zombie films but Romero's original trilogy is unmatched so far, imo. Then again, I thought ZOMBIE FLESHEATERS was s**t so what do I know?