Night of the Living Dead (1990) - Out of Print

[Ill_Be_Back]

Originally Posted by xiaNaix

It doesn't.

Yeah something is not right about that picture

[UNCMT9]

Daily drop in to check on all the whining and complaining. Carry on.

[Lemmy Lugosi]

Originally Posted by HyperRealist

I wish TT would get out of the horror business and concentrate on noirs.

Me, too.

Originally Posted by DetroitSportsFan

I'm sure they'd like some titles that actually turn a profit.

Then they'd better get their shit together.

My order just arrived, and I opened one, and popped it in.

At first, I was like, "Wow, it's nicely detailed, and has grain intact, too. Perhaps everyone is overreacting."

5 minutes later: "Oh, you have GOT TO BE shitting me."

Unless a replacement is created (non-blue, non-dark), you can bet your last zombie-dollah that I'll be returning this mess, every copy, other than one I've already sold, and even after warning the buyer about the problematic transfer. And that's a damned shame, because the picture is crisp and clean....but the blue shading and the lack of pretty much any brightness whatsoever ruin those efforts at restoration.

[Mr Kite]

Now if someone want's to forward me a copy to the UK i will give it a good looing over......and my tv is calibrated.

[retablo]

Originally Posted by Yojimbo68

Let's face it. TT does NOT want to issue replacement discs for this movie. This is a small boutique Blu-ray and DVD label. To just break even on this disc would definitley hurt the company, at least in the short term. I put myself in their shoes and I pondered the question "would I do a replacement on this disc even if I would lose money"? The answer for me would be yes. I would want to give what my customers thought they were paying for and I think customer good will would be best long term. Somebody at TT should have sat down and actually watched the transfer. As far as I'm concerned, they failed in their quality control even though Sony handled the transfer. Doing replacements discs for such a small company as TT is not an easy decision but that's what I would do...

NO, but IF the master was incorrect, I would hope in the contracts of their licensing deal that Sony would be stipulated to front the cost of any replacements that would come as a result of an error by Sony. That's only logical.

Again, TT did nothing wrong except release a product they believed to be correct... and trusted Sony to deliver a proper master. And why shouldn't they? They are doing nothing but replicating discs provided to them, and like any sub-contractor, you have to trust that the parts you ordered from the boss show up in proper working order.

It's Sony's responsibility, when providing a master that was paid to be released by TT, to see that the master is correct.

When you order from Amazon, and it arrives damaged, the USPS doesn't issue and replacement or refund, Amazon does. Same basic idea, different situation. It's Sony who should pay for this, not TT.

[Lemmy Lugosi]

Originally Posted by thephantomcat

What's the matter? Angry that you tied up $400 in NOTLD '90 Blu-rays that you were going to use to extort real fans of the movie?

I'm a real fan of the movie; I saw it in it's theatrical run, and have owned every version released for retail purchase. I've easily seen it 40 times or more.

I don't extort money from anyone. They're free to buy it anywhere else they can find it.

As for tying up my $$, well, that's just one more reason not to deal with TT in the future. They've proven they cannot be trusted to release a quality product, sight unseen.

Tell all your little friends who "missed out" , there'll be nine more available from SAE/TT, because I refuse to resell this shit without warning buyers first, and that's simply something I do not want the hassle of.

[AndrewFM]

Ok, WHAT?!

[Lemmy Lugosi]

I'm watching the DVD now. . . . .yeah, TT and Sony f'd this blu-ray up royally.

[TripleHBK]

Forget Color issues... I remember my VHS tape copy had commercials and Job Bob Briggs doing an intro... What the hell man... I want my movie how I remember it!

[thephantomcat]

Originally Posted by ScooterMan

I'm a real fan of the movie; I saw it in it's theatrical run, and have owned every version released for retail purchase. I've easily seen it 40 times or more.

I don't extort money from anyone. They're free to buy it anywhere else they can find it.

As for tying up my $$, well, that's just one more reason not to deal with TT in the future. They've proven they cannot be trusted to release a quality product, sight unseen.

Tell all your little friends who "missed out" , there'll be nine more available from SAE/TT, because I refuse to resell this shit without warning buyers first, and that's simply something I do not want the hassle of.

My little friends thank you. Namaste.

[Lemmy Lugosi]

By the way, the DVD looks pretty darn good, all things considered.

[spanky87]

Originally Posted by HyperRealist

I wish TT would get out of the horror business and concentrate on noirs.

I don't. I'm looking forward to many more horror releases from TT. I won't let one flawed release make me bitter towards them. Especially if they are allowing refunds. Forgive and forget.

[Trekkie313]

Originally Posted by spanky87

I don't. I'm looking forward to many more horror releases from TT. I won't let one flawed release make me bitter towards them. Especially if they are allowing refunds. Forgive and forget.

No, I want to see one of my favorite zombie flicks in HD with correct colors!

[Mike UFC]

After watching this myself, I can say what I saw on my set wasn't as blue as most of the posted screens (particularly on the screen where Tony Tood is exiting the vehicle, I can see Patricia Tallman much better) but dang, at the 27:50 mark it's obvious when they take away the blue tint. It's pretty jarring actually. I can see where whoever did the color timing was going with it but pretty sloppy work IMO. Other than that, I thought this was a pretty good transfer.

Also, in my experiences horror fans are some of THE most passionate about how their movies are treated. It had BETTER be how they remember it or damn close so seeing the uproar of the color change should be surprising to no one (except whoever did the transfer).

[thephantomcat]

Originally Posted by ScooterMan

By the way, the DVD looks pretty darn good, all things considered.

Yes, I agree. A lot of people opted to just hang onto their DVD rather than upgrade to Blu-ray. I'll be keeping both in a 2 disc case. That was my original plan since the featurette didn't carry over.

[HorrorBlu]

Originally Posted by Whirlygig

I find it more than a little odd that they would say that last part.

Like I said much earlier in this thread, they are clearly hoping we are fans of collector's items instead of fans of the film itself. "This release is great, as long as you don't plan on actually watching the film."

Originally Posted by retablo

I'm still laughing at people who think TT should have "quality control" and should somehow magically know if any frames of color timing have been changed. I'd love to hear just how they're supposed to do this, without shelling out more money for the personal involvement of the director or DP (which should come at the mastering level anyway, which would be on the studio, not Twilight Time).

Easy. They simply watch the disc. Even if you've never seen the film, it's obvious. Not to mention the scene transition about 20 minutes in clearly indicates when night is supposed to happen.

Yes, Sony did provide the transfer and carries their share of the blame, but you don't believe that Twilight Time should take any responsibility for a product they put their names on? They shouldn't even be bothered to watch the film? Absolutely ridiculous.

[iamnoone]

Originally Posted by retablo

Again, TT did nothing wrong except release a product they believed to be correct... and trusted Sony to deliver a proper master. And why shouldn't they? They are doing nothing but replicating discs provided to them, and like any sub-contractor, you have to trust that the parts you ordered from the boss show up in proper working order.

It's Sony's responsibility, when providing a master that was paid to be released by TT, to see that the master is correct.

When you order from Amazon, and it arrives damaged, the USPS doesn't issue and replacement or refund, Amazon does. Same basic idea, different situation. It's Sony who should pay for this, not TT.

No, that's not the same scenario at all. TT is not just a delivery-distribution service. They are a manufacturer of a retail product. Yes, they get the master from Sony, but TT is still responsible to make sure that they receive a useable master before producing and releasing their OWN product of it onto the market. They are not a mail service or delivery company or retail store. They are a DVD label and our customer money goes to them, not to Sony. TT, in turn, had payed Sony prior, but that's their business, not ours. If I ran a milk company and my suppliers sent me rotten milk to fill my cartons with, I am responsible to see that and refuse to release that bad milk to retail, because my company would be responsible to the customers if that bad milk got out there, and our name and company would be tarnished and maybe even suffer lawsuits if people got sick. It would also then be my business to go back and deal with my supplier directly about the bad milk they sent me. But it would have still been my fault on the business chain if the bad milk got out as I was the one whose name was on the carton and I let the bad milk get into stores.

Sorry for the long-winded post, but you keep bringing up these analogies as to why TT has no responibility in what they release, and they just make no sense.

[thephantomcat]

Originally Posted by iamnoone

No, that's not the same scenario at all. TT is not just a delivery-distribution service. They are a manufacturer of a retail product. Yes, they get the master from Sony, but TT is still responsible to make sure that they receive a useable master before producing and releasing their OWN product of it onto the market. They are not a mail service or delivery company or retail store. They are a DVD label and our customer money goes to them, not to Sony. TT, in turn, had payed Sony prior, but that's their business, not ours. If I ran a milk company and my suppliers sent me rotten milk to fill my cartons with, I am responsible to see that and refuse to release that bad milk to retail, because my company would be responsible to the customers if that bad milk got out there, and our name and company would be tarnished and maybe even suffer lawsuits if people got sick. It would also then be my business to go back and deal with my supplier directly about the bad milk they sent me. But it would have still been my fault on the business chain as I was the one whose name was on the carton and i let the bad milk get into stores.

Sorry for the long-winded post, but you keep bring up these analogies as to why TT has no responibility in what they release, and they just make no sense.

You're argument makes no sense. The transfer is usable, you just don't like it. And it isn't rotten milk. It's more like flavored milk or almond milk. You might not like the taste, but it isn't going to cause your TV to have diarrhea.

[Member-222782]

I wonder if TT just "sat this one out" and didn't bother to spot-check the final disc because maybe they consider the title too "low tier"? Something like The Egyptian or Swmp Water they will go over with a fine tooth comb but Night of the Living Dead is small potatoes so not worth QC'ing? I think after this debacle they will treat every release as they should.

[xiaNaix]

Originally Posted by thephantomcat

You're argument makes no sense. The transfer is usable, you just don't like it. And it isn't rotten milk. It's more like flavored milk or almond milk. You might not like the taste, but it isn't going to cause your TV to have diarrhea.

Do you think Twilight Time watched this print before they released it? If they had, you'd think they'd be familiar with the film they are releasing and know that it looked "different." Wouldn't it make sense then for them to let the people ordering it know that it had been altered, especially since it was obviously marketed to fans of the film? Everyone dropped the ball here. It can ultimately be traced back to Sony but Twilight Time deserves some heat too.