Night of the Living Dead (1990) - Out of Print

[thephantomcat]

Originally Posted by xiaNaix

Do you think Twilight Time watched this print before they released it? If they had, you'd think they'd be familiar with the film they are releasing and know that it looked "different." Wouldn't it make sense then for them to let the people ordering it know that it had been altered, especially since it was obviously marketed to fans of the film? Everyone dropped the ball here. It can ultimately be traced back to Sony but Twilight Time deserves some heat too.

I would say they are the only ones getting heat.

[AndrewFM]

Originally Posted by thephantomcat

I would say they are the only ones getting heat.

This is the email Sony Pictures Home Entertainment: SPE_Feedback@spe.sony.com

Now I know Sony Pictures Home Entertainment didn't put out the disc, but wouldn't the telecine/transfers/HD mastering be their responsability?

[xiaNaix]

Originally Posted by thephantomcat

I would say they are the only ones getting heat.

They are the only point of contact people who purchased the disc have. If it was known who at Sony was responsible for delivering the print to TT, I'm sure they'd be receiving a lot of email right now too.

[AndrewFM]

Originally Posted by xiaNaix

They are the only point of contact people who purchased the disc have. If it was known who at Sony was responsible for delivering the print to TT, I'm sure they'd be receiving a lot of email right now too.

I posted a starting point just above you.

[iamnoone]

Originally Posted by thephantomcat

You're argument makes no sense. The transfer is usable, you just don't like it. And it isn't rotten milk. It's more like flavored milk or almond milk. You might not like the taste, but it isn't going to cause your TV to have diarrhea.

OK, it is usable. Probably should have said improper or modified transfer. And I'm not bashing TT. I've been very diplomatic in my few earlier posts and feel bad for them and SAE (who will probably suffer if there are a lot of returns, but I doubt many will return it in the end). But TT is partially responsible in what they release, and if they don't feel like they are, then they won't be in business long. I do think this whole situation will be good for them, though, as they should be more careful on future releases and check their master before going into production. I have a whole bunch of their titles and have been happy with all of them, and I'm even a fan of their limited edition business model, so I am not a basher.

And I haven't even watched my copy of NOTLD90 yet, so I never even said "I don't like it." I'm keeping it regardless, unless they do an exchange, of course (but not holding my breath for that).

[retablo]

Originally Posted by HorrorBlu

Easy. They simply watch the disc. Even if you've never seen the film, it's obvious. Not to mention the scene transition about 20 minutes in clearly indicates when night is supposed to happen.

Yes, Sony did provide the transfer and carries their share of the blame, but you don't believe that Twilight Time should take any responsibility for a product they put their names on? They shouldn't even be bothered to watch the film? Absolutely ridiculous.

No, I don't. They are a distributor. They aren't in the creative process. They release a master given to them, end of story. To think otherwise is ridiculous, and asking way too much of ANY company.

[retablo]

Originally Posted by iamnoone

No, that's not the same scenario at all. TT is not just a delivery-distribution service. They are a manufacturer of a retail product. Yes, they get the master from Sony, but TT is still responsible to make sure that they receive a useable master before producing and releasing their OWN product of it onto the market. They are not a mail service or delivery company or retail store. They are a DVD label and our customer money goes to them, not to Sony. TT, in turn, had payed Sony prior, but that's their business, not ours. If I ran a milk company and my suppliers sent me rotten milk to fill my cartons with, I am responsible to see that and refuse to release that bad milk to retail, because my company would be responsible to the customers if that bad milk got out there, and our name and company would be tarnished and maybe even suffer lawsuits if people got sick. It would also then be my business to go back and deal with my supplier directly about the bad milk they sent me. But it would have still been my fault on the business chain if the bad milk got out as I was the one whose name was on the carton and I let the bad milk get into stores.

Sorry for the long-winded post, but you keep bringing up these analogies as to why TT has no responibility in what they release, and they just make no sense.

But how would you know milk is rotten without first selling it? You'd assume it's fresh, right, because that's usually the case. Same thing here. TT has released many discs with sellar PQ, so there's absolutely no reason whatsoever for them to "assume" Sony messed one up. Weak argument, and not relevant.

Yes, TT is responsible for going back to Sony and getting an answer, but it's not up to TT to fix it. It's up to Sony. It's their mistake, not TTs.

[jjdpw50]

Originally Posted by HyperRealist

look at all the sellers on Amazon...
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...d=&seller=&sr=

And roughly 40 auctions are going now.

[iamnoone]

Originally Posted by retablo

But how would you know milk is rotten without first selling it? You'd assume it's fresh, right, because that's usually the case. Same thing here. TT has released many discs with sellar PQ, so there's absolutely no reason whatsoever for them to "assume" Sony messed one up. Weak argument, and not relevant.

Yes, TT is responsible for going back to Sony and getting an answer, but it's not up to TT to fix it. It's up to Sony. It's their mistake, not TTs.

I give up.

[thephantomcat]

People are getting incredibly philisophical with what they believe a company's responsibility is, even boderline existenial. What is the responsibility of a Blu-ray distributer? What does responsibility mean? If a distribution model falls in the woods, does it make a sound? What's with "today" today?

[klauswhereareyou]

I'm guessing that a lot of people here think that this is the type of movie that should be handled by a company that actually cares, like Shout. I mean if Shout put it out, more then likely you would've had a non-blue tinted flick, actual extras, a price of 19.99, and you would'nt have to buy it within a few days of it being available for sale. The NOTLD remake is a movie I wouldn't care to own, but for those that do, I'm guessing this is some of the thought process behind the disgust.

[HyperRealist]

Do the people that list them super high ($300) ever sell anything?

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by HyperRealist

Do the people that list them super high ($300) ever sell anything?

sometimes, usually to overseas buyers.

[klauswhereareyou]

The one Twilight Time title I plan on picking up is Major Dundee if it ever comes out since with Peckinpah superfan Nick Redman working for Twilight Time he might actually watch it to make sure it doesn't look screwed up.

[Mr Kite]

Any news yet...............no, then why is everyone still second guessing?

[Mr Kite]

Originally Posted by tele1962

Any news yet...............no, then why is everyone still second guessing?

PS
Watched the first 5 mins of the SD DVD and the PQ was rather very good.

[HorrorBlu]

Originally Posted by retablo

No, I don't. They are a distributor. They aren't in the creative process. They release a master given to them, end of story. To think otherwise is ridiculous, and asking way too much of ANY company.

So hypothetically speaking, if Sony had mistakenly given them a master for Gigli, Twilight Time would have no responsibility to say "Wait a minute, this isn't Night Of The Living Dead."?

If they are putting their name on a product, then they need to take responsibility for it. Same goes for Sony. End of story.

[risky1975]

OMG!!!!yea you guy's are nuts.. this movie is fine... waaaayyy over exaggerated... the image i got in my screen (60 inch Samsung LED) is great.. yes i have the dvd.. and yes it way brighter .. but this absolutely sets a tone and makes for a better atmosphere.. even if Twilight time were to get Sony to reissue it (wich will never happen) i would not even exchange it i love the look of this...... (and that's my opinion this is not up for debate )

[Mr Kite]

Originally Posted by risky1975

OMG!!!!yea you guy's are nuts.. this movie is fine... waaaayyy over exaggerated... the image i got in my screen (60 inch Samsung LED) is great.. yes i have the dvd.. and yes it way brighter .. but this absolutely sets a tone and makes for a better atmosphere.. even if Twilight time were to get Sony to reissue it (wich will never happen) i would not even exchange it i love the look of this...... (and that's my opinion this is not up for debate )

You go mate.............but i would sooner have the Directors opinion.

[Kryptonic]

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