Night of the Living Dead (1990) - Out of Print

[dsman71]

Originally Posted by bkhage01

this was like an epic tale, told through emoticons. Somehow it accurately describes the journey of this thread.

LMFAO :mindblowi ng:

[xxBachelor1981xx]

I have the only one out of 3000 that does not have the Blue Tint. Asking Price 1 Million Dollars

[Lacenaire]

Originally Posted by xxBachelor1981xx

I have the only one out of 3000 that does not have the Blue Tint. Asking Price 1 Million Dollars

If that were true you could no doubt get a ridiculous price for it.

[HDMe]

I still do not know this is intentional (unless we hear from Sony)... DVD and Blu-ray authoring software that I have seen (some I've operated, others I've just read about) offer all kinds of features to tweak the image and audio before burning the master disc.

I suspect it entirely possible for a tweak to get accidentally set in the authoring software that could result in just the kind of results people are seeing here.

I could see Sony making a goof, but then why would they be making a new master only for Twilight Time instead of giving them what they've already been giving out for broadcast and streaming? Why would Sony be wasting money to make Twilight Time a unique master?

So if the file wasn't corrupted somehow during delivery to Twilight Time... I could see someone making a mistake in the disc authoring (whomever masters the discs for Twilight Time)... in which case again we are back to a mistake.

ALL of this could have been avoided though, as others have noted, if Twilight Time had a process of mastering a disc then sending that back to Sony for approval to say "yes, this is the master as we gave it to you and intended to be shown"... and then Twilight Time would know that as soon as anyone questioned things OR if there was a problem it would be sorted out well in advance of consumers seeing it.

[manta53]

Ooooh no no no! If you guys want to see a friggin dark ass movie the darkest movie watch Rituals!!! Not the Tales From The Crypt one just Rituals!

[GxyExpress999]

I watched it with much anticipation and although I enjoyed the movie, I have to say the change was somewhat distracting to me, especially the day time scenes at the beginning.

I kinda felt like I was watching it through light-colored sunglasses, giving me a sense of unreality, a dreamlike feel. I guess that's what they (whoever responsible for the change) were after but I didn't want any "filter" between me and the characters. I'm very curious to know what happened at Sony... I'm glad it's got good detail though.

[whitesheik]

Originally Posted by HDMe

I still do not know this is intentional (unless we hear from Sony)... DVD and Blu-ray authoring software that I have seen (some I've operated, others I've just read about) offer all kinds of features to tweak the image and audio before burning the master disc.

I suspect it entirely possible for a tweak to get accidentally set in the authoring software that could result in just the kind of results people are seeing here.

I could see Sony making a goof, but then why would they be making a new master only for Twilight Time instead of giving them what they've already been giving out for broadcast and streaming? Why would Sony be wasting money to make Twilight Time a unique master?

So if the file wasn't corrupted somehow during delivery to Twilight Time... I could see someone making a mistake in the disc authoring (whomever masters the discs for Twilight Time)... in which case again we are back to a mistake.

ALL of this could have been avoided though, as others have noted, if Twilight Time had a process of mastering a disc then sending that back to Sony for approval to say "yes, this is the master as we gave it to you and intended to be shown"... and then Twilight Time would know that as soon as anyone questioned things OR if there was a problem it would be sorted out well in advance of consumers seeing it.

Did you work for a professional authoring house? I'd guess not. The authoring house that does Twilight Time's discs might make any number of mistakes, but introducing a coloring issue would never ever be one of them. Not possible. They have really good QC there and every check disc that comes out of there has been compared to the master. The mistakes, if any, are usually limited to menu issues, occasionally a sound encoding issue, and maybe some compression issues, but never color.

[Troy73]

Originally Posted by whitesheik

Did you work for a professional authoring house? I'd guess not. The authoring house that does Twilight Time's discs might make any number of mistakes, but introducing a coloring issue would never ever be one of them. Not possible. They have really good QC there and every check disc that comes out of there has been compared to the master. The mistakes, if any, are usually limited to menu issues, occasionally a sound encoding issue, and maybe some compression issues, but never color.

The question then becomes, what happened to this particular master? It doesn't seem right given what's come before and even though some have decided to accept it I sure would like to hear some reasoning behind such a drastic color change.

I feel it is to some degree TT's responsibility to find out the technical changes made to a film print before going through the trouble of authoring it to a disc. Possibly, given what's happened here, they will check the integrity of all future properties they acquire. After all, it's their name that's going on the product and their reputation that's on the table, not Sony's.

[HDMe]

Originally Posted by whitesheik

Did you work for a professional authoring house? I'd guess not. The authoring house that does Twilight Time's discs might make any number of mistakes, but introducing a coloring issue would never ever be one of them. Not possible. They have really good QC there and every check disc that comes out of there has been compared to the master. The mistakes, if any, are usually limited to menu issues, occasionally a sound encoding issue, and maybe some compression issues, but never color.

I have not, you are correct... but even by the end of your own post you are acknowledging it possible for an authoring to contain some errors. You can't possible say that it is impossible for something to happen to the authoring process that doesn't introduce any number of potential errors. You even opened the door to several yourself.

While it may even be highly unlikely that the authoring house made such an error... How would *they* know if they did? Are they watching the movies they author AND comparing to the source they were given?

Do you actually work for the authoring house in question to be able to make such an assertion so absolutely? If you don't, then you're guessing the same as the rest of us.

[dsman71]

So..anyone else hope they announce more titles on our wishlists after this mess ?

[whitesheik]

Originally Posted by HDMe

I have not, you are correct... but even by the end of your own post you are acknowledging it possible for an authoring to contain some errors. You can't possible say that it is impossible for something to happen to the authoring process that doesn't introduce any number of potential errors. You even opened the door to several yourself.

While it may even be highly unlikely that the authoring house made such an error... How would *they* know if they did? Are they watching the movies they author AND comparing to the source they were given?

Do you actually work for the authoring house in question to be able to make such an assertion so absolutely? If you don't, then you're guessing the same as the rest of us.

Ah, but you see I am not guessing. I have worked WITH the authoring house in question and I know exactly how they work. They have authored two Blu-ray releases for me and yes, their QC absolutely compares their authored master to the original master source they are given. The occasional problems that I spoke of have nothing to do with color. And each of the problems I've spoken of is normally caught before the check disc even gets to anyone. When I received my check discs what I saw were beautifully authored discs. The only changes I made were menu changes.

[BluRayFiend]

People can't you see SAVINI DOSENT CARE WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO REALIZE THAT didn't anyone read what he said about filming this movie geez.

[BluRayFiend]

I watched the entire film today rewinding here an their to see about all the drama over this. An just a few points basically yes the darkness/blue is their but after taking 2 1/2 hrs to really look for errors the blue shows up 90% of the time in the zombie scenes yea its a little darker in the house too.

But man Ill tell you the last 20 min of this film is the best it has ever looked an with that being said people are correct the film should look like that all the way through not just the last 20 min or perfect for 5 min then back to slight blue / darkness .I also noticed the trailer color palette is slightly different from the film itself its not the same as some were stating.

[#Darren]

Originally Posted by thephantomcat

My gut tells me Sony will never want to touch this title again. And Twilight Time will think twice about touching any of the horror titles in Sony's catalog. Now they will probably sit in Sony's vault unseen.... forever!

Please spare us the propaganda and melodrama.

[#Darren]

Originally Posted by Whirlygig

I tend to agree with you about the likelihood of TT doing it for this, that's why I led with my first paragraph (but according to thephantomcat's figures, they could do so and still break even, and it would buy them loads of goodwill, so I won't say it's impossible).

The Criterion Blus were the White disc from the Three Colors trilogy, and one of the discs in Carlos (pretty sure it was disc 2).

Pretty sure they replaced a faulty run of Walkabout and maybe also Days of Heaven.

[#Darren]

Originally Posted by slimdude

It wasn't a major problem for me because, no blu-ray movie is worth getting upset, and give myself an ulcer or a heart attack over. I have more important things to be concerned about in my life, than to worry about a blu-ray release. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it, life goes on.

I don't think anyone here is getting an ulcer, having a heart attack or losing sleep.

[#Darren]

Originally Posted by klauswhereareyou

I guess this is what Twilight Time should expect when they start going after cult genre films, especially ones from the last 30 years. People know (or think they know) what they are suppossed to look like, and if you are charging 30 bucks or more for them and they aren't right, you're going to hear about it. If The Roots of Heaven had screwy color correction, the few people that bought may not even notice or care, but when you are dealing with a film like this you're going to hear about it. If you take on the resposibility of plugging in these cult titles that are subsidizing the smaller ones, make sure they were done right, or if something is different, at least give a good explanation. It ain't like this was bought up for 5 bucks from a Wal-Mart dump din, people got this for a premium price, and I'm guessing these rabid genre fans that aren't used to paying so much expect premium results.

Exactly, niche film is their market, so they need to know their stuff.

[#Darren]

Originally Posted by ScooterMan

Tell all your little friends who "missed out" , there'll be nine more available from SAE/TT, because I refuse to resell this shit without warning buyers first, and that's simply something I do not want the hassle of.

Got to respect that.

[#Darren]

Originally Posted by iamnoone

No, that's not the same scenario at all. TT is not just a delivery-distribution service. They are a manufacturer of a retail product. Yes, they get the master from Sony, but TT is still responsible to make sure that they receive a useable master before producing and releasing their OWN product of it onto the market. They are not a mail service or delivery company or retail store. They are a DVD label and our customer money goes to them, not to Sony. TT, in turn, had payed Sony prior, but that's their business, not ours. If I ran a milk company and my suppliers sent me rotten milk to fill my cartons with, I am responsible to see that and refuse to release that bad milk to retail, because my company would be responsible to the customers if that bad milk got out there, and our name and company would be tarnished and maybe even suffer lawsuits if people got sick. It would also then be my business to go back and deal with my supplier directly about the bad milk they sent me. But it would have still been my fault on the business chain if the bad milk got out as I was the one whose name was on the carton and I let the bad milk get into stores.

Sorry for the long-winded post, but you keep bringing up these analogies as to why TT has no responibility in what they release, and they just make no sense.

Him and a few others.

[EddieLarkin]

Got my copy this morning in the U.K. (5 day turn over, some sort of record for S.A.E. I reckon), and this is all a load of overblown whinging. Yes it's changed, no I don't prefer it, but colour and detail are all still there. It still looks fantastic. And it is in no way, not even close, to as bad as the caps suggest. Even the "proper" ones that were posted. It's not as dark, and it's not blue. The night filter over the daylight scenes give a more purple hue if anything.

I'm not defending the change, because I'm totally against any revisionism, but I have never seen a blow up over an alteration like this on a Blu-ray before. Titles that were f***ed with much worse, more popular titles at that, haven't received this kind of response. This is all fueled by the sales model, and the price point. If Sony had put this out themselves for $20, there would be maybe 3 people in this topic pointing out the shift.

I get that you've paid more, and so you expect more, but that shouldn't influence your response to the transfer. I will act and respond the same way to the quality of a presentation whether I've paid $5 or $500. I, and everyone else, paid $35 for this release because it was a limited run. That's it. No one should have been under the impression that the $35 guaranteed you a faithful rendering.

TT promises to put the transfer on disc unmanipulated, which I'm sure is what they've done. Sony not f***ing with the brightness or colour timing or whatever, is not part of the promise. In the exact same way that Fox doing a nice 4K rescan of Demetrius and the Gladiators is not part of the promise, instead of providing an old DVD-era telecine.

If they do sort an exchange, I'll send mine in. If they don't, I'll still be perfectly happy with this disc, and the price I paid for it.