Night of the Living Dead (1990) - Out of Print

[UNCMT9]

Originally Posted by thephantomcat

If that were the case, then all of TT's titles would have sold out.

I think Fright Night's success is the reason this sold out. I know a lot of TT's aren't sold out.

[thephantomcat]

Originally Posted by Whirlygig

People in the world.
Moms.
With Blu-ray players.
Searching the internet for "Steel Magnolias Blu-ray".
Willing to spend $30+ to place an order.
And put their credit card on "teh intarwebs".
3,000.
Within a month of release.
Obviously not.

People in the world.
Moms.
With Blu-ray players.
Walking around in Wal-mart.
Finding "Steel Magnolias" Blu-ray - $7.99.
Willing to throw it in the cart.
3,000.
For however long Wal-mart leaves it on the floor.
More likely.

What does it matter if they sell 3,000 copies at $7.99 if they need to sell 1,500 at $29.99 to break even?

[thephantomcat]

Originally Posted by UNCMT9

I think Fright Night's success is the reason this sold out. I know a lot of TT's aren't sold out.

So true. This sold out because fans didn't want to miss out and scalpers wanted to take advantage of people. Glad I got my copy at a fair price.

[oildude]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

Another thing that I'm wondering about. We know the cinematographer Frank Prinzi was involved in some way when the master for this was done in 2010. Are we in agreement here that this master was likely being primed for a 20th Anniversary Blu-ray release? I think the timing would certainly indicate that. Now, If that's the case then I have to question what has transpired since then? Not only was this movie shelved and no 20th Anniversary edition released, but it was handed off to Twilight Time instead of a wide release some 2 years later. If I had to guess, I'd say someone higher up at Sony was not pleased with the end result and decided it wasn't a quality enough product to deserve a 20th Anniversary release, or even a wide release in general. Thoughts?

I think that is reaaaally stretching things. Sony has been transferring their back catalog to high def with diligence and care for several years, but they have lately decided to go in a different direction when it comes to actually releasing them. The godfathers of BD ain't got no love for what they created.

I like a good conspiracy theory, though. Mine is that Doc Brown used the DeLorean to go back in time and screw with the color timing. Revenge of Universal, you know, stuff like that happens, man.

[UNCMT9]

Originally Posted by thephantomcat

So true. This sold out because fans didn't want to miss out and scalpers wanted to take advantage of people. Glad I got my copy at a fair price.

Me too. Good or bad, it will be an item to be remembered.

[Whirlygig]

Originally Posted by Uncontrol

Can we all stop pretending we remember the color tinting of a movie we saw in theaters over 20 years ago?

It's really ridiculous.

Originally Posted by thephantomcat

Originally Posted by thephantomcat

par·am·ne·sia n.
1. A distortion of memory in which fantasy and objective experience are confused.

Originally Posted by odriley

The fact that it was a bright sunny day in those scenes is talked about in the commentary AND featurette. Haha.

You guys are really reaching now.

"How dare you think that you can Remember things!!".

You guys are funny.

Originally Posted by thephantomcat

The commentary and featurette also say that it wasn't intended to be a bright sunny afternoon, but that's the weather they had to deal with. It's not surpirsing the transfer the DP was consulted on reflects the original intention.

Originally Posted by thephantomcat

I've never said the original film didn't open in daylight. When did I say that?

First, you thumbs up a guy saying people don't remember how the original film looked. To me, thumbs up means agreement. Then you call people who claim to remember paramnesiacs. Then you directly respond to someone calling that notion out as BS, saying essentially "well, they didn't want it to be sunny that day" to throw another red herring into the question at hand. I doubt I'm the only one who interpreted that as you saying the original film didn't open in daylight. That or you somehow think the new version still looks like daylight. I don't know which of those two interpretations of the point you were trying to make is at all reasonable in the face of the evidence, was there a third one I missed?

[Whirlygig]

Originally Posted by thephantomcat

What does it matter if they sell 3,000 copies at $7.99 if they need to sell 1,500 at $29.99 to break even?

What is your point? My point is that you can't judge how well these catalog titles would have sold in a wide release by how TT's releases of the same titles are selling, which is what you were trying to do. 3,000 or 1,500 my point and arguments for it remain the same. Why do you keep morphing topics around in circles?

[w111jwr]

I bet Midnight Legacy wishes that they followed Twilight Time's model.

[UNCMT9]

Originally Posted by Whirlygig

What is your point? My point is that you can't judge how well these catalog titles would have sold in a wide release by how TT's releases of the same titles are selling, which is what you were trying to do. 3,000 or 1,500 my point and arguments for it remain the same. Why do you keep morphing topics around in circles?

The sellout of this horror cult classic was directly related to the success of Fright Night.

[thephantomcat]

Originally Posted by Whirlygig

First, you thumbs up a guy saying people don't remember how the original film looked. To me, thumbs up means agreement. Then you call people who claim to remember paramnesiacs. Then you directly respond to someone calling that notion out as BS, saying essentially "well, they didn't want it to be sunny that day" to throw another red herring into the question at hand. I doubt I'm the only one who interpreted that as you saying the original film didn't open in daylight. That or you somehow think the new version still looks like daylight. I don't know which of those two interpretations of the point you were trying to make is at all reasonable in the face of the evidence, was there a third one I missed?

Yes. That my statements were to be taken at face value with absolutely no subtext whatsoever. Memories are incredibly unreliable and there is even a phenomenom that demonstrates this to the extreme. This is merely a fact. As far as calling someone's notion that the scene takes place in daylight balderdash, I did no such thing. I pointed out that same commentary is evidence that changes are in line with the filmmakers original intent.

I made no statement that the opening scene wasn't in daylight. I tend to say what I mean.

[Blu Titan]

Originally Posted by w111jwr

I bet Midnight Legacy wishes that they followed Twilight Time's model.

TT has been releasing quality films. Midnight Legacy released a cheap Italian ripoff called Alien 2: On Earth. Thanks for reminding me that I need to get that .

[thephantomcat]

Originally Posted by Whirlygig

What is your point? My point is that you can't judge how well these catalog titles would have sold in a wide release by how TT's releases of the same titles are selling, which is what you were trying to do. 3,000 or 1,500 my point and arguments for it remain the same. Why do you keep morphing topics around in circles?

I haven't done anything of the sort. You keep trying to read more deeply into my statements than what I'm saying. I've never said you can judge how well catalog titles sell based on TT's sales numbers. The question is why are you telling me what I'm trying to do?

Perhaps we should cool off before a mod does that for us. I'm off to watch V/H/S. If it's as good as I hope it is, I'll be purchasing that on Blu-ray soon.

[DetroitSportsFan]

Originally Posted by Blu Titan

TT has been releasing quality films. Midnight Legacy released a cheap Italian ripoff called Alien 2: On Earth. Thanks for reminding me that I need to get that .

He was referring to the rumors that Midnight Legacy's edition size for Alien 2 was 30,000 units.

[easye9inches]

Originally Posted by Blu Titan

ok, lets try to settle something . It is obvious, that the BD does NOT look like the theatrical presentation. First, if that were the case TT would have announced it in their facebook page for the world to see it. They have not said anything on the subject because it is not "convenient " for them to do so...they were able to get all of the other information, but no reference to this? Not Savini nor anyone else has said that the Blu-ray matches the original theatrical presentation and that ommission is not by accident, I can assure you.

No announcement by the proper sources Sony, TT, Savini or their DP of photography stating that this presentation matches what was shown theatrically means that it does not. The consumer does not need to "prove" that it has been changed, the question has been raised and if not answered it can only mean that those in charge tinkered with the transfer and changed it.

A member made a very valid point that home video version have been around for a very long time and there are no complaints of any color timing changes. You can see at 27:50 a scene where the blue/dark filtering was not applied and it looks different from the rest of the movie...carry on .

Well, I do not know how long it has been up but as of 11pm EST THIS SITE, just reviewed the disc.
As I told my buddy the other night, "who is to say they (TT) don't slip Savini the check to keep his mouth shut."
Now back to the review it tells us that Savini approves this new transfer.

The fix is in my friends.

[Whirlygig]

Originally Posted by UNCMT9

The sellout of this horror cult classic was directly related to the success of Fright Night.

Reverse the order of their release, I think the same thing would have happened in reverse. Again, it's the overlap with those films' target demographic and the demographic of those who are aware of TT's existence. That Fright Night led to a faster sellout of NOTLD, I agree, and in the other order I think it would have been the same.

Originally Posted by thephantomcat

Yes. That my statements were to be taken at face value with absolutely no subtext whatsoever. Memories are incredibly unreliable and there is even a phenomenom that demonstrates this to the extreme. This is merely a fact. As far as calling someone's notion that the scene takes place in daylight balderdash, I did no such thing. I pointed out that same commentary is evidence that changes are in line with the filmmakers original intent.

I made no statement that the opening scene wasn't in daylight. I tend to say what I mean.

In a room full of people upset that the new film does not look like the original, one guy shouts "you don't remember", and you effectively shout "yeah! paramnesia up in here!"... Meanwhile the critical difference being discussed was that what was once day, is now night. I bet you would try explaining to the police that when you yelled "fire" in the movie theater, "I didn't say 'there's a fire in here, run', I only said 'fire'!"

[joie]

I ordered two of Universal's 1930s monster movies -- Frankenstein & Bride of Frankenstein -- for about the same price SAE was selling this movie for.

What Ever Happened to Baby Jane is coming ... $30 for a Digibook ... expensive, but it's a good movie.

Anyway, I don't deal with Twilight Time. I don't understand an artificially created shortage. It doesn't seem like true, take-a-risk, roll-up-your-sleeves, get-to-work capitalism to me. I don't think exclusivity in movie licensing was ever intended to limit supply in the way it's being done with these releases.

[Whirlygig]

Originally Posted by thephantomcat

I've never said you can judge how well catalog titles sell based on TT's sales numbers. The question is why are you telling me what I'm trying to do?

First of all, that isn't what I said you said. Let me help.

Originally Posted by Whirlygig

My point is that you can't judge how well these catalog titles would have sold in a wide release by how TT's releases of the same titles are selling, which is what you were trying to do.

And now:

Originally Posted by thephantomcat

If 3000 units was such a limited suplly, then As Good As It Gets and Steel Magnolias would be sold out by now.

Or should they invest millions of dollars in pressing hundreds of thousands of discs to sell them for 7.88 in the Walmart bin and the most of them to sit unsold in a warehouse?

See that last paragraph of yours? What you said there is that you believe that is what would happen to Sony's TT titles, in a wide release, and you had just mentioned two titles specifically. And the only reason you give for why you think that is TT's haven't sold out. In summary, you tried to:

Originally Posted by Whirlygig

judge how well these catalog titles would have sold in a wide release by how TT's releases of the same titles are selling

[thephantomcat]

Originally Posted by Whirlygig

See that last paragraph of yours? What you said there is that you believe that is what would happen to Sony's TT titles, in a wide release, and you had just mentioned two titles specifically. And the only reason you give for why you think that is TT's haven't sold out. In summary, you tried to:

My statement didn't mean that I saw AGAIG's performance as evidence of how many units it would sell in a wide release. My statement meant that unsold units sitting in a warehouse is why TT doesn't print more than 3,000 copies. At this point I can only guess you're deliberately not understanding me because you have a bone to pick with me. Did I run over your dog?

[thephantomcat]

Originally Posted by Whirlygig

In a room full of people upset that the new film does not look like the original, one guy shouts "you don't remember", and you effectively shout "yeah! paramnesia up in here!"... Meanwhile the critical difference being discussed was that what was once day, is now night. I bet you would try explaining to the police that when you yelled "fire" in the movie theater, "I didn't say 'there's a fire in here, run', I only said 'fire'!"

He didn't shout "you don't remember." He said it was ridiculous for people to say they remember how the transfer of a film looked like when they saw it 20 years ago. I agree that it is ridiculous to believe that anyone can recall something as trivial as the picture quality of a film they saw 20 years with any sort of clarity especially since that memory is no longer objective when dozens of viewings on VHS or DVD have tainted that memory. Also, I fail to see how you can compare agreeing with someone's point with criminal public endangerment?

[ROclockCK]

Originally Posted by HyperRealist

Everyone should buy The First Nudie Musical and Junior High School.

They should!