Night of the Living Dead (1990) - Out of Print

[whitesheik]

Originally Posted by thephantomcat

What does it matter if they sell 3,000 copies at $7.99 if they need to sell 1,500 at $29.99 to break even?

The real important information here is that if Sony were to sell this title themselves pressing many more discs, the return to them based on a 7.98 list would be about four bucks - maybe. Then two-thirds of what they press could conceivably be returned to them. Why on earth would Sony wish to do that - clearly they are not interested, and equally as clearly they are making more money licensing out to Twilight Time with absolutely no risk of any kind.

But the people who wish to remain blind will remain blind because they enjoy doing what they're doing on these boards. It seems to give them purpose.

[Flex Mentallo]

Originally Posted by #Darren

Makes a lot of sense.

No it doesn't. The answer is obvious. Sony isn't really in the catalog blu ray business anymore. Outside of what they feel are potential heavy bitters, the rest of Sony's catalog is being divided amongst various 3rd party's such as TT, Criterion, Image, Mill Creek and a few I'm sure I've forgotten.

I'm sure if NotLD had been released by Sony it would be $8 a few months after release not to mention the cost of the thousands of unsold copies sitting in various warehouses throughout the country. Exactly what Sony wants to avoid.

Sony was totally satisfied with the remastering job. They're just not interested in releasing it into a competitive blu ray market with little or no real return for them. I may not like it but that's just the way it is.

[Yankees0222]

Originally Posted by kinkyqueen

This. Funny thing is, people still say they don't like the transfer and are going to sell/return it, when actually the transfer isn't as bad as some of those screenies posted here. I thought we were going to be past this by now

Selling all your TT titles just because you don't approve of one transfer? Idiotic.

Yup. But they're the ones who are going to be missing out I personally love my TT titles

[HyperRealist]

Sony guy 1: Wow, this NOTLD90 is terrible!
Sony guy 2: Give it to Twilight Time

[whitesheik]

Originally Posted by Whirlygig

Reverse the order of their release, I think the same thing would have happened in reverse. Again, it's the overlap with those films' target demographic and the demographic of those who are aware of TT's existence. That Fright Night led to a faster sellout of NOTLD, I agree, and in the other order I think it would have been the same.


In a room full of people upset that the new film does not look like the original, one guy shouts "you don't remember", and you effectively shout "yeah! paramnesia up in here!"... Meanwhile the critical difference being discussed was that what was once day, is now night. I bet you would try explaining to the police that when you yelled "fire" in the movie theater, "I didn't say 'there's a fire in here, run', I only said 'fire'!"

And then there are the thousands upon thousands of rabid Back to the Future fans who will swear to you on a stack of Bibles that they saw the "To be continued" card in the original showings of the film. They will not back down, they will not even admit there's a possibility that it wasn't there, despite the filmmakers saying it over and over again. How do you account for this phenomenon? I account for it by saying that their memories of that original showing were supplanted by hundreds of viewings of the home video versions where the title card was added.

I'm not saying the original theatrical version was different than this because I never saw it - I stated that up front. I will be seeing the Blu-ray tomorrow and will chime in on ITS quality or lack thereof. But I will not be comparing it to the VHS, DVD, or Hudu because I have no idea if those were or are accurate to anything. Which is why I keep saying I would love to see a release print right now.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by joie

I ordered two of Universal's 1930s monster movies -- Frankenstein & Bride of Frankenstein -- for about the same price SAE was selling this movie for.

What Ever Happened to Baby Jane is coming ... $30 for a Digibook ... expensive, but it's a good movie.

Anyway, I don't deal with Twilight Time. I don't understand an artificially created shortage. It doesn't seem like true, take-a-risk, roll-up-your-sleeves, get-to-work capitalism to me. I don't think exclusivity in movie licensing was ever intended to limit supply in the way it's being done with these releases.

Well said and I agree completely.

[HDMe]

Originally Posted by thephantomcat

MSRP is $159.99 for the Universal Monsters set. Amazon has it marked down 30% to $111.99. You want all movies to be marked down more than 60% with cool packaging in order to be satisfied?

Actually, no... I would rather prices be reasonable in the first place. If the MSRP is not going to be used by most retailers, I would prefer it be lowered to reflect reality.

I don't need a high MSRP and then Amazon trying to convince me they are giving me a 40% discount, when there's no way I would consider a purchase at MSRP.

Originally Posted by thephantomcat

So people should stop manufacturing Mercedes cause everyone can't afford them? It's called capitalism. They can charge whatever they want and if you don't like the price, you don't have to buy it. Just because you like something, doesn't mean it has to come with all the bells and whistles and be 99 cents.

Not a good comparison. For your analogy to work, Twilight Time would have to be manufacturing Mercedes... but they aren't.

Twilight Time is making VM bugs, the same as Mill Creek might make... but Twilight Time is painting them blue and saying "limited" and only making 3000... but underneath it is still the same VM bug that Mill Creek would have released.

Mercedes is Mercedes, and some people think it worth it... but a company painting a VM bug and claiming it limited and trying to charge Mercedes prices? That wouldn't work.

So nobody is saying it has to be cheap AND come with all the extras... Most are saying it should be cheap OR come with all the extras.

Mill Creek would take the same Sony transfer and put it on the same disc and sell it for 1/3 or less of what Twilight Time does.

Mill Creek catches hell for a $5 release if it has a poor transfer... but Twilight Time sells that same transfer for $30 and people love it because it is "rare"?

Originally Posted by Whirlygig

Make 3,000 lollipops in your garage. Open the garage door. Try to sell them to passersby (at more than twice the price of other lollipops, no less). Will you be surprised if you haven't sold all 3,000 after a few days? Even though you know there are almost 7 billion people out there, most of whom like lollipops?

That's essentially what TT is doing. It really is a small minority of the home video buying public that goes anywhere online where they would become aware of their lollipops. I could see my mom, and millions of other moms, impulse buying Steel Magnolias at Wal-Mart for $8 in a heartbeat, but she'll never sit on the computer and search for it, or order it, in a million years.

Their huge sellouts are the titles that internet-savvy, home video junkies are more likely to care about. The ones that target younger males with disposable income. We're all sitting here on the internet, oh look, Steel Magnolias, big whoop -- HORROR movies??? SCI-FI??? NOIR with GUNS and BABES? GIMME GIMME!

This is a great analogy that I'm sure will not be appreciated properly. Kudos!

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by thephantomcat

Theres nothing shady about what they've been doing. It's good business. Or should they invest millions of dollars in pressing hundreds of thousands of discs to sell them for 7.88 in the Walmart bin and the most of them to sit unsold in a warehouse?

From what I see at Wal-Mart, the bargain bin is constantly being depleted and restocked, so people certainly buy from the bargain bin, including me. And who says they have to be in a bargain bin? I see $8 blu-rays in Target all the time, and not in a bargain bin - on a shelf right next to $25 blu-rays. They get exposure, and people see them and buy them. I bought Evil Dead II for $10 last week in Target, because I saw it there. It was the good release too , with remastered picture and lots of extras.

[neoz]

Originally Posted by HyperRealist

Sony guy 1: Wow, this NOTLD90 is terrible!
Sony guy 2: Give it to Twilight Time

I'm sorry but in my head I can totally see this. +1 to you good Sir.

[BluPat]

Originally Posted by HDMe

Actually, no... I would rather prices be reasonable in the first place. If the MSRP is not going to be used by most retailers, I would prefer it be lowered to reflect reality.

I don't need a high MSRP and then Amazon trying to convince me they are giving me a 40% discount, when there's no way I would consider a purchase at MSRP.



Not a good comparison. For your analogy to work, Twilight Time would have to be manufacturing Mercedes... but they aren't.

Twilight Time is making VM bugs, the same as Mill Creek might make... but Twilight Time is painting them blue and saying "limited" and only making 3000... but underneath it is still the same VM bug that Mill Creek would have released.

Mercedes is Mercedes, and some people think it worth it... but a company painting a VM bug and claiming it limited and trying to charge Mercedes prices? That wouldn't work.

So nobody is saying it has to be cheap AND come with all the extras... Most are saying it should be cheap OR come with all the extras.

Mill Creek would take the same Sony transfer and put it on the same disc and sell it for 1/3 or less of what Twilight Time does.

Mill Creek catches hell for a $5 release if it has a poor transfer... but Twilight Time sells that same transfer for $30 and people love it because it is "rare"?



This is a great analogy that I'm sure will not be appreciated properly. Kudos!

Excellent post. My points exactly.

[HyperRealist]

Originally Posted by neoz

I'm sorry but in my head I can totally see this. +1 to you good Sir.

I hope that isn't how it works since I buy every TT release. If it keeps happening I'm going to be upset. Fool me once...

[kinkyqueen]

These are screenies i just made myself just to show you it really isn't as dark as some we've seen earlier

[BluRayFiend]

Well, I do not know how long it has been up but as of 11pm EST THIS SITE, just reviewed the disc.
As I told my buddy the other night, "who is to say they (TT) don't slip Savini the check to keep his mouth shut."
Now back to the review it tells us that Savini approves this new transfer.

The fix is in my friends. easye9inches

I think he called it on this one! I could see Savini doing such a thing based on the sheer fact he really doesn't get too much work anymore at his age .

[HyperRealist]

Originally Posted by kinkyqueen

These are screenies i just made myself just to show you it really isn't as dark as some we've seen earlier

looks exactly the same as the old ones to me.....

[darklightzg]

Right, I think everythings been stated, debated, argued over, agreed, disagreed, moaned, cried, condemed, elavated, reversed, belittled, etc etc, etc about this release that ever will and anything in the last day or so that I've read, at least is going over the same old ground......

Please close this damn thread as I think we've all heard everything we're going to about this bloody Blu Ray so if we haven't all picked which side of the arguement we're on at this point, we never will

[JYokogawa]

How many people has Twilight Time lost their business from because of this release?

I know that it will never be an issue for them because they will likely sell out of most of the bigger-name titles like Christine anyways, but for me, I am one-and-done.

I hardly ever even buy Criterion films unless it's something I really enjoy, but the fact that there were so few extras, some that weren't ported over, and the whole PQ controversy, I'm done with them.

The headache and the price just isn't worthwhile for me.

[Dickieduvet]

Both of these are worth a read and have accurate screenshots for those who have not seen it.


http://wtf-film.com/site/2012/10/02/...living-dead-90

http://www.dvdactive.com/reviews/dvd...e_continue=yes

[kinkyqueen]

Originally Posted by HyperRealist

looks exactly the same as the old ones to me.....

You really don't see it? Take a look at my comparison. The grass for instance is darker on the left

[BluRayFiend]

The thread is going to close I think when we get official word from TT what is going to happen with the disc.

[darklightzg]

Originally Posted by JYokogawa

How many people has Twilight Time lost their business from because of this release?

I know that it will never be an issue for them because they will likely sell out of most of the bigger-name titles like Christine anyways, but for me, I am one-and-done.

I hardly ever even buy Criterion films unless it's something I really enjoy, but the fact that there were so few extras, some that weren't ported over, and the whole PQ controversy, I'm done with them.

The headache and the price just isn't worthwhile for me.

NOTLD90 was my first buy from TT as I tend not to pay over £10 - £12 for standard releases, plus the fact none of the other release from their catalogue interested me enough, to even consider spending more.
I've seen a lot of people stating they are finished with TT but I thought that up until this release the majority of their releases have been fairly good! Granted the price tag versus what you're getting still doesn't add up but as soon as you produce a release with a limited run, you will evidently create a demand.
I for one won't be saying I will never order from them again as I'm seriously considering Christine. Partly because of their previous releases prior to NOTLD and also as I believe they have learned something from this. I mean they are offering refunds, opened or not so I can't see how they can do better, as a remaster is probably out of the question.
In saying all that if I do purchase Christine and it turns out to be another controversial release in the same vain as NOTLD, and they haven't mentioned anything about it prior to release, like they have stated they will, it would definitely stop me in the future. Until at least a review of the particular release is available. Of course this means you more than likely won’t be able to purchase it (unless you pay through the a$$) due to the limited run which at that point will probably be sold out, even though everybody said they would never order from TT again