Night of the Living Dead (1990) - Out of Print

[Whirlygig]

Originally Posted by slimdude

SAE have given the customers an option: return the blu-ray for a full refund, or keep it. But no! They still want to complain...If I were Ed, I would be rude too, because it doesn't make sense when people are constantly contacting him and other SAE Customer Service representatives, and b***h about this blu-ray release unnecessary. It's not their fault. They should be grateful because, SAE didn't have to offer a refund at all! This thread is will never cease because, certain people just don't know when to stop, go on with their lives.

I may have missed something, but it's been awhile since I've seen anybody doing much childish/baseless/repetitive *****ing about SAE. Has it happened in the thread? Yes. Lately? No.

One of several reasons this thread may never cease is that every few hours, someone waltzes into it with a massive negative generalization they attempt to slap on the entire thread, painting over the valid and useful points that were raised. People are still complaining about complainers who stopped complaining.

[bkhage01]

Originally Posted by Whirlygig

I may have missed something, but it's been awhile since I've seen anybody doing much childish/baseless/repetitive *****ing about SAE. Has it happened in the thread? Yes. Lately? No.

One of several reasons this thread may never cease is that every few hours, someone waltzes into it with a massive negative generalization they attempt to slap on the entire thread, painting over the valid and useful points that were raised. People are still complaining about complainers who stopped complaining.

^^ this.

[thephantomcat]

People stop by to express their opinion after recieving the disc and then those who disagree with them start posting pictures of screencaps to tell them their opinion is wrong. That's why this thread won't die.

[AnxietyDilemma]

Originally Posted by slimdude

Some people on this forum are acting like as if this Night of the Living Dead blu-ray release was the only thing they're living for, and they have made a mountain out of a molehill of this situation. For a B movie at that! It's ridiculous.

See, to you and some of the others, it's a B Movie, and just the next in line of releases by Twilight Time. However, to others, this "B Movie" is a movie that is dear to our hearts, and one that we've been watching for over twenty years. Therein lies the disparity in reactions.

[MrClarke]

Originally Posted by thephantomcat

People stop by to express their opinion after recieving the disc and then those who disagree with them start posting pictures of screencaps to tell them their opinion is wrong. That's why this thread won't die.

^^this

[Whirlygig]

Originally Posted by thephantomcat

People stop by to express their opinion after recieving the disc and then those who disagree with them start posting pictures of screencaps to tell them their opinion is wrong. That's why this thread won't die.

^^ Exhibit Z ^^

[MrClarke]

Originally Posted by Truewitt

Then you should be out of business too. Sorry, but there is never a reason to be rude. I've had to deal with constant stupidity at my job, but I would never be rude to a customer. That makes no sense; I don't care how many times he has to address the same things or whether or not the customer is rude. It's stupid and just bad business to be rude.

And I agree. Sorry if customers are being bothersome. They're only the ones paying your paycheck. Piss off enough of them and see how well being rude worked out for you.

[thephantomcat]

Originally Posted by MrClarke

And I agree. Sorry if customers are being bothersome. They're only the ones paying your paycheck. Piss off enough of them and see how well being rude worked out for you.

Most customers are decent people who just want what they paid for. Others are just a nuisance and are not worth the hassle they cause. The problem is bad customers don't know they're bad. They think the customer is always right. That's not true. If the amount of money a customer brings into a company is exheeded by the amount of money they cost a company, then there is no reason to continue a relationship with them. All business have a procedure for dealing with bad customers that begin with attempting to satisfy them to terminating their relationship with them. Even if all it amounts to is a sign on the wall that says "we reserve the right to refuse service."

Even before the blue hit the fan, people were calling and harassing SAE to find out why their order hadn't shipped yet. Which is insane considering the movie's release date wasn't even until two days ago. Can you imagine how many calls and e-mails they got from over excited fanboys who wanted to know why their status was still pending when they read online that some people's orders had already shipped?

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by thephantomcat

People stop by to express their opinion after recieving the disc and then those who disagree with them start posting pictures of screencaps to tell them their opinion is wrong. That's why this thread won't die.

Maybe I missed it but I haven't seen screencaps posted here in a while. Were they posted when people first started to receive the disc and add their comments to this thread? Yes. Have people been constantly posting screencaps lately? No.

[thephantomcat]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

Maybe I missed it but I haven't seen screencaps posted here in a while. Were they posted when people first started to receive the disc and add their comments to this thread? Yes. Have people been constantly posting screencaps lately? No.

This was two days ago.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=5692

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by thephantomcat

This was two days ago.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=5692

Ok, I do remember that post now but it was asking a question in regards to the sites own screencaps; no one was posting their own screenshots. I'll give you that one since the post did link to screenshots but how many posts have there been that are like that in the past five days? I've seen more posts about people complaining or people complaining about people complaining then there have been posts to screenshots. Just a different perspective.

[benricci]

Originally Posted by thephantomcat

Most customers are decent people who just want what they paid for.

Ever work in retail? Most customers are complete jerks. Most customers feel they're entitled to be an a$$hole because they "pay your salary."

[thephantomcat]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

Ok, I do remember that post now but it was asking a question in regards to the sites own screencaps; no one was posting their own screenshots. I'll give you that one since the post did link to screenshots but how many posts have there been that are like that in the past five days? I've seen more posts about people complaining or people complaining about people complaining then there have been posts to screenshots. Just a different perspective.

True that. I mostly stop by to voice my opinion to remind those who agree with me that they're not alone. I've noticed people tend to jump on anyone who doesn't think that Twilight Time is Lucifer and the NOTLD '90 Blu-ray is his offspring the Anti-Christ.

[thephantomcat]

Originally Posted by benricci

Ever work in retail? Most customers are complete jerks. Most customers feel they're entitled to be an a$$hole because they "pay your salary."

Yeah, that's actually what I truly believe, but I was trying to be diplomatic. Lol! If a person ever utters the phrase "the customer is always right" or "I pay your salary!" out load, they are not a good person. They don't notice the other customers looking at them like they're crazy or their own children who are embarassed by them.

[Whirlygig]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

I'll give you that one since the post did link to screenshots

You don't really have to give him that one, because here's what he said:

Originally Posted by thephantomcat

then those who disagree with them start posting pictures of screencaps to tell them their opinion is wrong

The post he linked to does no such thing.
Just another oversimplification of what actually happened.

[thephantomcat]

Originally Posted by Whirlygig

You don't really have to give him that one, because here's what he said:


The post he linked to does no such thing.
Just another oversimplification of what actually happened.

If you follow the next two pages of back and forth, they most certainly do try to tell him he's wrong.

Also, what do you have against rdodolak and I reaching common ground?

[pro-bassoonist]

Originally Posted by Kentai

Yeah... TRAFFIC says hi.

Have you actually seen both transfers for F&L? THE DIFFERENCE IS MARGINAL. They're both clearly made from the same HD tape master of the same 35mm print, both have a fairly similar bitrate... about the only thing you can complain about in regards to the Universal release is that the contrast is slightly blown out, and even that could be the fault of a compressor setting rather than CC going out of their way to "improve it" (or, perhaps, UNI tried to improve it on their end and just went too far in the process).

To be more direct, QUADROPHENIA looks pretty "meh" whether you pay for the Criterion name or not. I'll give you DAZED AND CONFUSED, but... come on, the Universal Blu-ray is an HD-DVD port, while Criterion had access to a brand new master five years later. (Cripes, how could they NOT top it?!) More importantly, do you think CC or UNI did the actual 35mm scan? I'll give you a hint; unless Criterion brags about doing the film work in the booklet, odds are overwhelming they had nothing to do with it until they got an HDCAM SR tape in the mail.

No, what I'm talking about are when Criterion do their own film transfers. When they released the "Americanized" print of GODZILLA and did a brand new scan of a 35mm master. When they do their own work from the ground up, they're absolutely worth praising and throwing money at. When they're just tweaking whatever MGM and Universal hands them... eh, whatever. Discs like THE GAME, LAST TEMPTATION OF CHRIST or KILLER'S KISS are fine in their own right, but had the studios that owned them released them the results would have been pretty much the same thing.

Twilight Time has yet to "tweak" any materials directly, but... they don't author their discs in-house, either. TT is trusting Sony and whoever their post house is that everything they're handed is as it should be. For better or worse, that's mostly held up. For whatever valid complaints reviews have leveled against, say, COVER GIRL, the HD master is what it is; Sony said it was as good as it was going to get, and TT said "good enough for us".

Obviously that doesn't mean they can let bulls**t like NOTLD '90 happen and not notice, but it's a hell of a lot easier to tweak your own transfers when you have a dedicated authoring staff on hand versus needing to go to a separate facility somewhere else in the country, just to peek over the tech's shoulder and play backseat colorist... I'm sure they post house they're using would just love Twilight Time if that was their usual M.O.

What exactly is your point here?

No offense, but do you actually own all of the discs you have addressed and have you watched them? Or do you go by screenshots? I know you love to address them.

Specifically in the case of Traffic I can tell you for a fact that additional work was done because I had a pretty lengthy conversation with a person who knows exactly what was done. Using the same (Uni) master for a transfer that you would use on a release does not mean that the results will be identical. And, yes, Criterion do additional work.

QUADROPHENIA -- Sorry. You clearly do not not know what you are talking about. I have the Criterion and the UK discs with me at the moment, and projected these two are thousands of years apart from each other. And yes, the Criterion release looks beautiful. So, your Meh comment is quite a bit off.

Finally, Fear and Loathing..., you are off again. Because Criterion did go in to do additional corrections. Again, I am telling you this as a fact, because unlike some other folks who tend to open their mouths to criticize, I do check details beyond what a booklet will 'confirm'.

As far as TT's release is concerned, there really should be very little drama here. Instead of people going around in circles and posting non-sense, someone should have asked how come no one bothered to run a quick comparison with the answer print the studio has. It should not be rocket science to figure out exactly how the film was shot.



Pro-B

[Whirlygig]

Originally Posted by thephantomcat

If you follow the next two pages of back and forth, they most certainly do try to tell him he's wrong.

Also, what do you have against rdodolak and I reaching common ground?

Not about his opinion of the disc. That those suggesting a significant number of screenshots (not photos) were doctored are wrong, which they are.

[UNCMT9]

Originally Posted by thephantomcat

People stop by to express their opinion after recieving the disc and then those who disagree with them start posting pictures of screencaps to tell them their opinion is wrong. That's why this thread won't die.

We have a winner!

[thephantomcat]

Originally Posted by Whirlygig

Not about his opinion of the disc. That those suggesting a significant number of screenshots (not photos) were doctored are wrong, which they are.

If those early screenshots were on the up and up, why have some of them dissappeared? The darkest screencaps have somehow dissappeared leaving only the more accurate ones. And the YouTube video which isn't even remotely accurate.

I went back through the thread yesterday looking for those horrible images where you couldn't even see Barbara in the background of the shot where Ben gets out fo the truck and it's nowhere to be found. Why? Because it wasn't true.