Night of the Living Dead (1990) - Out of Print

[Mr Kite]

Greyscale tracking:



Delt E's:



Gamma:



If you need any more info just let me know.

Yep a Samsung Plasma tv can be near reference............pray tell what makes you think other wise?

So for viewing at the correct colour temp, and with greyscale tracking and Gamma nearly spot on it helps me to give an accurate judgment on the colour etc of NOTLD.

PS
Naggy i think it is you who needs to Google....................

[retablo]

Originally Posted by Torrente

Totally right.
It's the fact that TT didn't know what they were releasing that I found totally WTF
How come?
How on earth?

Originally Posted by Torrente

- TT was aware that they were releasing such a color corrected transfer (Jeez', they didn't even know about it, god damn it!? It feels so lame and so ridiculous, I can't help myself but laughing about that)

I can't help but laughing at the fact that you think every distributor knows the exact color timing of every scene for 1) a film they didn't even produce or have a hand in making and 2) a film they bought from another company and didn't even have a hand in making the master.

TT is a distributor, not a production company. It's hilarious to see that people think they should know every frame of an obscure box office flop remake.. it's their job to sell it, nothing more. If Sony told them it's an approved master, they are just passing along information.

You think Target corporate knows every screw and nail in every product they sell? No, because that's just silly. You think every grocery store knows every GMO and chemical and ingredient of every product on the shelf? Again, nope. It's not TT's job to know every piece of information pertaining to every release. They are the middle man, pushing along a master produced by someone else to a customer.

It may be wrong, but it's not their fault. Perhaps people should learn the difference between producers and distributors.

I'd also like to know HOW they are supposed to know if a master given to them has been changed? Watch the old DVD, which wasn't director approved? That's not the benchmark for determining proper color timing.

[Torrente]

I can't help but laughing at what I just read.
Do you really think that I think that?

TT is a tiny company that claims to love all the films they are releasing, making deals with Sony and Fox only to release the films they really want to release, and they add a very "collector" feel to their release on top of that (due to their business plan: pricing, limited quantity and such).

They're not a huge company, they're supposed to be movie buffs such as Criterion and others, so yes, they should check what they are getting from Sony and the others, before release for **** sakes, it's even the least they can do (i's not as if they release tons of BDs per month anyway).

If they don't check the transfers they're getting before the release date (even before pressing the discs), then they probably should sale turkeys or vegetables instead!
It's all I'm saying.

[retablo]

Originally Posted by Torrente

I can't help but laughing at what I just read.
Do you really think that I think that?

TT is a tiny company that claims to love all the films they are releasing, making deals with Sony and Fox only to release the films they really want to release, and they add a very "collector" feel to their release on top of that (due to their business plan: pricing, limited quantity and such)
They're not a huge company, they're supposed to be movie buffs such as Criterion and others, so yes, they should watch what they are getting from Sony and the others before release for **** sakes, it's even the least they can do if they weren't doing anything else.
If not, they should sale turkeys or vegetables instead!

And? Who says they didn't watch it? They are supposed to remember the color timing of a film from 25 years ago and notice that 1 reel of a master is altered?

C'mon, be at least a little realistic. I'm a movie buff, and have seen around 13,000 movies, but I wouldn't have been able to tell you the first reel of this film looked darker than it did before. It was a box office flop and never even that much of a blip on the radar of cinema history. So, again, how are they supposed to know this?

Based on some of the things you think this company should somehow know.. yeah, I think you believe it.

[vidjunkie]

Whether you remember it or not, it really should stick out like a sore thumb lol, it really, truly is a huge difference in color, I posted screens earlier on how it should look, well I am doing 1 better now, I will add a link soon of a video sample of it instead for all to really see the difference side by side, this will show those without a shadow of a doubt that it is very different, and I totally respect those that like the TT release, but to say that there really is no difference is just crazy lol, just wait until you see the side by side video, should be able to add it in about 25 mins. stay tuned.

[Torrente]

Originally Posted by retablo

And? Who says they didn't watch it? They are supposed to remember the color timing of a film from 25 years ago and notice that 1 reel of a master is altered?

Well... it's not as if it weren't pretty obvious to everyone here.

But you're probably right.
Probably that I love and care for this particular film too much.

[BJQ1972]

Originally Posted by Moonpie

I do it myself.

If people can't recognise from your signature that you have the equipment to do a calibration of your set then I wouldn't even bother trying to argue with them.

[vidjunkie]

OK as I said above check this video out.

[Show spoiler]https://vimeo.com/54107372

[Torrente]

I wanted to add something to the above

Originally Posted by retablo

It was a box office flop and never even that much of a blip on the radar of cinema history.

Do you know a lot of "box office flop", or even "bad movies" released on BD that have a 300+ pages to its thread?
You can't deny the fact that there is a huge cult following to this movie (same as Fright Night), it doesn't make the movie "good" or "important in the cinema history", yet it was sought after and this thread confirms that.

It SHOULD have been better that's all I'm saying, and I blame Sony AND TT for that, who else?

[Flex Mentallo]

I really dig the color timing attempt for this release. Still, overall it is too dark but a fairly decent attempt nonetheless. The darker tint does take away some of the detail which I would assume is inherent in the original master and yes I think it would've been much better if the DP was intimately involved in the process instead of a consultation phone call or two. I think most fans who aren't vicious videophiles would still appreciate this release even with the darkened color.

I would wholeheartedly recommend this release and as I stated about a hundred or so pages ago (lol) I definitely stand by my 3.5 stars for the picture quality. It couldve been better but it could've been a whole heck of a lot worse. And more importantly, I appreciated how Twilight Time handled the fan complaints. They would've been within their right to say you opened it, you eat it but they didn't and I wish many other companies would take a page from TT's book.

Now bring on Major Dundee!!!!

[iamnoone]

Originally Posted by retablo

I can't help but laughing at the fact that you think every distributor knows the exact color timing of every scene for 1) a film they didn't even produce or have a hand in making and 2) a film they bought from another company and didn't even have a hand in making the master.

TT is a distributor, not a production company. It's hilarious to see that people think they should know every frame of an obscure box office flop remake.. it's their job to sell it, nothing more. If Sony told them it's an approved master, they are just passing along information.

You think Target corporate knows every screw and nail in every product they sell? No, because that's just silly. You think every grocery store knows every GMO and chemical and ingredient of every product on the shelf? Again, nope. It's not TT's job to know every piece of information pertaining to every release. They are the middle man, pushing along a master produced by someone else to a customer.

It may be wrong, but it's not their fault. Perhaps people should learn the difference between producers and distributors.

I'd also like to know HOW they are supposed to know if a master given to them has been changed? Watch the old DVD, which wasn't director approved? That's not the benchmark for determining proper color timing.

Uh, no. TT is not simply a "distributor". They are the actual company releasing the product with THEIR name on it, so they basically have PRODUCED their version of this product to release themselves under their own company name (albeit using whatever master they licensed from Sony). Sure, they licensed their product to release from Sony, but they still produced the actual Blu and are releasing it as their own product. Your comparison analogy to Target is absurd. If I bought a defective screw from Target, yes, Target won't know what screws may be defective from whatever company, but if I return it, whoever produced that screw would have to compensate Target, and that company would be TT if they were the company that produced that screw. It would not be the steel manufacturer who supplied TT the defective metal to make the screw. TT's name is on the screw, they produced it using whatever material they acquired - faulty or not, they profit from the sales - they are the producer of that screw regardless of where they got their materials from and are held responsible in the end.

That all said, I really don't fault TT as I can see how they would not foresee such an incident - so I agree with you on all your other points about that. Sony did create the variant master and that's all TT could really use, and at least in the future, TT will be able to inform us if color timings have been changed.

[nagysaudio]

Originally Posted by Moonpie

Greyscale tracking:



Delt E's:



Gamma:



If you need any more info just let me know.

Yep a Samsung Plasma tv can be near reference............pray tell what makes you think other wise?

So for viewing at the correct colour temp, and with greyscale tracking and Gamma nearly spot on it helps me to give an accurate judgment on the colour etc of NOTLD.

PS
Naggy i think it is you who needs to Google....................

Are you going to post that picture of your colorimeter, or are you a liar?

[Mr Kite]

Anybody who knows me on here will tell you exactly who i am and where & what i am involved with. So no need for any further pictures etc..............oh and a little clue for you. Try Googling HDTVTest...............then look on there for tele1962.

To say i may be a liar i find thoroughly insulting.........why would i lie about calibrating my tv?

EDIT:

Some early pics of my tv are here:

http://forums.hdtvtest.co.uk/index.php?topic=7209.0

[nagysaudio]

Originally Posted by Moonpie

Anybody who knows me on here will tell you exactly who i am and where & what i am involved with. So no need for any further pictures etc..............oh and a little clue for you. Try Googling HDTVTest.

To say i may be a liar i find thoroughly insulting.........why would i lie about calibrating my tv?

Insulting? You are condescending towards anyone who thinks this transfer is botched. You accuse members here of not having properly calibrated TVs, while yours is calibrated to nearly reference standards. You post here ALL day long. So why is it so hard to spare ten seconds to take a picture of your colorimeter with your phone and upload it here? Perfect example of a TROLL. This will be my last response to you.

P.S. No one cares about pictures of your TV. What does THAT have to do with the actual calibration?

[Mr Kite]

Originally Posted by nagysaudio

Insulting? You are condescending towards anyone who thinks this transfer is botched. You accuse members here of not having properly calibrated TVs, while yours is calibrated to nearly reference standards. You post here ALL day long. So why is it so hard to spare ten seconds to take a picture of your colorimeter with your phone and upload it here? Perfect example of a TROLL. This will be my last response to you.

Thank goodness for small mercy's. LOL.

[Mr Kite]

Originally Posted by vidjunkie

OK as I said above check this video out.

[Show spoiler]https://vimeo.com/54107372

Wow well done, you can certainly see the the difference there. What did you use to do it?

[crazyBLUE]

Fan edits / torrents are not to be discussed here !

[ucfmatt]

Originally Posted by retablo

And? Who says they didn't watch it? They are supposed to remember the color timing of a film from 25 years ago and notice that 1 reel of a master is altered?

To be fair here, we're not talking about a tiny suble difference only a true fan would ever notice. The changes are drastic. Also it's not confined to a single reel or sequence, it's the ENTIRE movie after the 3-4 minute mark.

If they are going to slap their name on it then they ultimately have to assume some level of responsibility for the product they're releasing.

[Mr Kite]

I would still love to know if anyone did pass this one off who were involved in the movie. The thing about it is it doesnt look false or unnatural.

[vidjunkie]

Originally Posted by Moonpie

I would still love to know if anyone did pass this one off who were involved in the movie. The thing about it is it doesnt look false or unnatural.

Which color does not look false or unnatural?

Thanks