Night of the Living Dead (1990) - Out of Print

[HDMe]

Originally Posted by wormraper

not everyone. everyone who knows about SAE will know about their chance to get it. if they don't konw about SAE they won't really get a chance to order it anyways so we're just exploiting other market areas.

At least you are up front about exploitation. Some are arguing that they are not exploiting anyone.

Originally Posted by mzupeman

Not everyone can afford every single title they want the moment it is released.

True... so, IF the speculators weren't buying these up to flip for higher amounts later... then maybe those customers who can't afford to buy now could buy in a month... but they won't be able to since the speculators will have swooped in by then.

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

You seriously think everyone knows about this release? Seriously?

Did you read my post? Seriously? I'm the one arguing that people don't know about SAE and won't find these until the scalpers have bought them all. I was responding to people who were saying that everyone who wants to buy this knows and has a chance.

I was countering their argument by saying IF they truly believed this, then there would be no point of buying extras anyway.

I NEVER said I thought customers were getting these movies... I've been saying for a while now that speculators are buying multiples before the Joe Average customer finds out the thing is even available.

Originally Posted by Yankees0222

I'd be willing to guess that no more than maybe 500 copies are being bought up by 'speculators'. We already got confirmation from TT that people are misinformed and only a very small portion are bought up by speculators.

Since you threw the number out there... You do realize that 500 is nearly 20% of 3000.... so even if "only" 500 are being bought by speculators, that is nearly 20% of the production! That's a high number for speculation.

I actually bet it is more than that too... as people on here have admitted to buying 2 or 3 copies... which skews the percentage of speculators a lot higher if that trends.

Originally Posted by Yankees0222

A lot of the people who miss out on these releases are the ones who want it but are unwilling to pay the price tag on it. That's exactly how I missed out on fright night. I didn't feel it justified the price at the time and passed on it. Are the so called speculators the reason I missed out? No. I had a chance to buy it and I didn't.

BUT they are the reason that you can't buy it from SAE still. Only 3 titles have sold out to date from Twilight Time at SAE, right? So... even a year later you can still buy many of their titles... but not Fright Night... and probably not Night of the Living Dead... so yes, speculators are the reason why you can't buy Fright Night still for $30.

Originally Posted by Yankees0222

The only reason these releases sell on eBay for the prices they do is because a lot of the people who want these movies are completely unwatered that they are being released. I don't necessarily see how that's the speculators fault. Especially since they are not buying up a huge portion of the release... According to TT

Again, if the number thrown out there is accurate, that is 20% of the production. I bet it skews higher on Night of the Living Dead than it did on Fright Night because of people who wished they had done it there.

But 20% is a high number...

AND... I don't know where that came from... are you talking 500 total of a 3000 production run for an already sold-out title? OR are you talking about 500 copies of the current not-yet-sold-out title?

500/3000 is almost 20%... but if you are talking about 500 out of the ~2000 sold of Night of the Living Dead... then that's more like 25% of the amount currently sold.

Consider... from Twilight Time's numbers, we have speculated before that they don't actually start profiting from any particular movie until they have sold about 80% of the run (~2400 copies)... then that means the speculators account for the profit with that 20% chunk... so when the speculators pull out, Twilight Time's model falls apart.

I hope those numbers are made up and not true.

[jayturner514]

Originally Posted by Forever Knight

I would hope people have better things to do during the day than keep count on this.

sorry I had an extra 30 seconds it took to post that, I guess you had the extra time it took to post about my post

[Forever Knight]

Originally Posted by jayturner514

sorry I had an extra 30 seconds it took to post that, I guess you had the extra time it took to post about my post

and another 5 to reply.

[Flex Mentallo]

All this talk of speculators reminds me of my comic collecting back in the early 90's when I bought 2 copies of Rob Liefeld's X-Force # 1 (still bagged after all these years, lol). Of course nowadays you can't give that away but back in the day, that was the bees knees.

My point with all that is even with the so called speculators who plan to flip NotLD or any other TT title for that matter, the fact is anyone who actually wants this title can still order it. Whether there's 1000 left or 200, if you want it it's literally there for the taking.

Look at the Fright Night thread. There's probably about 10 unopened copies floating around that thread from various posters trying to pimp it onto other posters who missed out. The funny thing about it is no one is really paying those inflated prices anyway. Sure, one can find a few suckers willing to pay some astronomical cost because they just gotta have it. The vast majority of potential buyers however will balk at those prices so in the end speculators shelled out extra dough just to be saddled with a bunch of unopened copies no one's buying.

So ...... anybody want an unopened copy of X-Force # 1 for $20.

[Trekkie313]

Originally Posted by Flex Mentallo

All this talk of speculators reminds me of my comic collecting back in the early 90's when I bought 2 copies of Rob Liefeld's X-Force # 1 (still bagged after all these years, lol). Of course nowadays you can't give that away but back in the day, that was the bees knees.

It's Rob Liefeld, it should be a dead giveaway it's not worth jack!

[returnofthemack]

Originally Posted by Flex Mentallo

All this talk of speculators reminds me of my comic collecting back in the early 90's when I bought 2 copies of Rob Liefeld's X-Force # 1 (still bagged after all these years, lol). Of course nowadays you can't give that away but back in the day, that was the bees knees.

My point with all that is even with the so called speculators who plan to flip NotLD or any other TT title for that matter, the fact is anyone who actually wants this title can still order it. Whether there's 1000 left or 200, if you want it it's literally there for the taking.

Look at the Fright Night thread. There's probably about 10 unopened copies floating around that thread from various posters trying to pimp it onto other posters who missed out. The funny thing about it is no one is really paying those inflated prices anyway. Sure, one can find a few suckers willing to pay some astronomical cost because they just gotta have it. The vast majority of potential buyers however will balk at those prices so in the end speculators shelled out extra dough just to be saddled with a bunch of unopened copies no one's buying.

So ...... anybody want an unopened copy of X-Force # 1 for $20.

whoa x force issue 1! even when i was a kid and it didnt take much for a comic to impress me i knew that liefelds comics didnt make any sense.

[ChristmasFnatic]

Liefield had a fallout with DC(nasty twitter war) a couple of weeks back. lol

[jayturner514]

Originally Posted by Forever Knight

and another 5 to reply.

Touché...

[GxyExpress999]

I guess some cart count/scalper posts are needed to keep the momentum going, giving this title more exposure, which is a good thing.

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[Yankees0222]

Originally Posted by HDMe

[Show spoiler]At least you are up front about exploitation. Some are arguing that they are not exploiting anyone.



True... so, IF the speculators weren't buying these up to flip for higher amounts later... then maybe those customers who can't afford to buy now could buy in a month... but they won't be able to since the speculators will have swooped in by then.



Did you read my post? Seriously? I'm the one arguing that people don't know about SAE and won't find these until the scalpers have bought them all. I was responding to people who were saying that everyone who wants to buy this knows and has a chance.

I was countering their argument by saying IF they truly believed this, then there would be no point of buying extras anyway.

I NEVER said I thought customers were getting these movies... I've been saying for a while now that speculators are buying multiples before the Joe Average customer finds out the thing is even available.



Since you threw the number out there... You do realize that 500 is nearly 20% of 3000.... so even if "only" 500 are being bought by speculators, that is nearly 20% of the production! That's a high number for speculation.

I actually bet it is more than that too... as people on here have admitted to buying 2 or 3 copies... which skews the percentage of speculators a lot higher if that trends.



BUT they are the reason that you can't buy it from SAE still. Only 3 titles have sold out to date from Twilight Time at SAE, right? So... even a year later you can still buy many of their titles... but not Fright Night... and probably not Night of the Living Dead... so yes, speculators are the reason why you can't buy Fright Night still for $30.



Again, if the number thrown out there is accurate, that is 20% of the production. I bet it skews higher on Night of the Living Dead than it did on Fright Night because of people who wished they had done it there.

But 20% is a high number...

AND... I don't know where that came from... are you talking 500 total of a 3000 production run for an already sold-out title? OR are you talking about 500 copies of the current not-yet-sold-out title?

500/3000 is almost 20%... but if you are talking about 500 out of the ~2000 sold of Night of the Living Dead... then that's more like 25% of the amount currently sold.

Consider... from Twilight Time's numbers, we have speculated before that they don't actually start profiting from any particular movie until they have sold

I don't know what to tell you. It sounds like you have something against capitalism in general cause that's pretty much what all this speculation talk is about.

I can give you a few recommendations of some socialists societies where you might be more comfortable. Where everything is more equal and fair obviously I'm just kidding but seriously.... Everything you buy is marked up. Why is this any different?

Instead of continuing running around in circles, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree

[Flex Mentallo]

Originally Posted by Trekkie313

It's Rob Liefeld, it should be a dead giveaway it's not worth jack!

You know it was a sad day in Muddsville when Liefeld took over for Brett Blevins on New Mutants back in the day. The thing is I'm not a Rob Liefeld fan either but I got sucked into the speculator vortex like everyone else. The tail end of his New Mutants run was going for like $5-10 per issue (even more for the first appearance of Cable and Deadpool) and when it was getting cancelled with issue # 100 and being replaced/retitled as X-Force I was jumping on that so my dumb a$$ bought 2 copies, one to read and one to sell/trade. It was apparent within a few months of release that no one in their right mind was going to pay $10 or more on this comic. Comic shops already had about 100 extra copies in the back of the store and no other fans wanted to sell or trade the thing as they were like me, stuck with multiples of a comic no one wanted. My long boxes are filled with stuff like this ..... Jim Lee's Xmen # 1 with the 5 different covers, various issues of the first 10 issues of Spawn (I never bought #1) which, just like Liefeld's Xforce, sucked which I should've known would've sucked as I have at least 2 different covers of McFarland's Spider-Man #1 as well as his entire Spidey run that he wrote (awesome artist, horrible writer).

I've thought about selling my copy of TT's Fright Night just because of all those prices I see it selling for on Ebay and whatnot but really, when I start to get gold fever like that I just think about all the money I squandered on stupid gimmick comics that I thought I was going to get rich over when I should've jut not bought into the hype and just bought what I liked and wanted regardless of it's potential collectibility pricing.

[PuppetMasterBlu]

Originally Posted by Flex Mentallo

Look at the Fright Night thread. There's probably about 10 unopened copies floating around that thread from various posters trying to pimp it onto other posters who missed out. The funny thing about it is no one is really paying those inflated prices anyway. Sure, one can find a few suckers willing to pay some astronomical cost because they just gotta have it. The vast majority of potential buyers however will balk at those prices so in the end speculators shelled out extra dough just to be saddled with a bunch of unopened copies no one's buying.

So ...... anybody want an unopened copy of X-Force # 1 for $20.

While I am not really into buying extra copies you couldn't be further from the truth. Those Fright Nights go from 100 to 150 all the time. At this very moment bidding is up over 100 for one on ebay. Believe me anyone who still has copies of Fright Night do so by choice possibly thinking they can get even more not because they won't sell.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by PuppetMasterBlu

While I am not really into buying extra copies you couldn't be further from the truth. Those Fright Nights go from 100 to 150 all the time. At this very moment bidding is up over 100 for one on ebay. Believe me anyone who still has copies of Fright Night do so by choice possibly thinking they can get even more not because they won't sell.

Which makes absolutely no sense for a mediocre 80s horror film.

[Flex Mentallo]

Originally Posted by PuppetMasterBlu

While I am not really into buying extra copies you couldn't be further from the truth. Those Fright Nights go from 100 to 150 all the time. At this very moment bidding is up over 100 for one on ebay. Believe me anyone who still has copies of Fright Night do so by choice possibly thinking they can get even more not because they won't sell.

Like I said, you can always find a sucker or two who's willing to pay $100 + for a blu ray. The vast majority of those ebay/amazon listings seems to go nowhere from where I'm sitting.

[Clark Kent]

The secondary market values for Fright Night on BD have nothing in common with the comic book market implosion of the 90s. There is a fixed number of 3000 Fright Night copies for another two years at the very least, and there are simply more fans than that whom want to own it on Blu-ray. There were literally millions of copies printed up of X-Force #1, vastly more than the total number of actual comic book collectors.

Fright Night will retain its value as long as another edition doesn't come out as a suitable replacement.

[Neutron82]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

The secondary market values for Fright Night on BD have nothing in common with the comic book market implosion of the 90s. There is a fixed number of 3000 Fright Night copies for another two years at the very least, and there are simply more fans than that whom want to own it on Blu-ray. There were literally millions of copies printed up of X-Force #1, vastly more than the total number of actual comic book collectors.

Fright Night will retain its value as long as another edition doesn't come out as a suitable replacement.

even if a replacement does become available the TT release may still hold it's value... look at the u.s. version of zodiac, i've seen that go for around $75 even though you can get the ever so slightly inferior u.k. version for much cheaper... only time will tell

[Neutron82]

Originally Posted by brasil

Lots of people don't buy until until there is a review.

What happens if it sells out before it is reviewed, and the review is good?

then we are in luck

[PuppetMasterBlu]

Originally Posted by Flex Mentallo

Like I said, you can always find a sucker or two who's willing to pay $100 + for a blu ray. The vast majority of those ebay/amazon listings seems to go nowhere from where I'm sitting.

Again sadly, false. They sell all the time as they are priced between 100 and 150. Anymore than that and yeah it's harder to sell. but put a fright night with a buy it now of 100 and it will be gone within a week.

[Flex Mentallo]

Originally Posted by PuppetMasterBlu

Again sadly, false. They sell all the time as they are priced between 100 and 150. Anymore than that and yeah it's harder to sell. but put a fright night with a buy it now of 100 and it will be gone within a week.

Hmm. Maybe I should sell my copy and the magnet it came with.

Aww man, snap out of it. I'm getting that gold fever again.

[Trekkie313]

I bit the bullet.