Night of the Living Dead (1990) - Out of Print

[Seymour]

Pretty much expected this to be bare except for a trailer and isolated score. Also, I'm sure it'll be the same cut on the Sony dvd. No surprises here, really.

[toodeepuntilnow]

Originally Posted by Lemmy Lugosi

I don't know 'bout ya'll, but I am most definitely buying at least 5 copies, and very likely 10 copies.

Reselling is the key to happiness with these "very limited" editions.

Eh, as someone who flips a lot, there's not enough profit here for the effort.

[Yankees0222]

Originally Posted by toodeepuntilnow

Eh, as someone who flips a lot, there's not enough profit here for the effort.

As long as flipping covers the cost of buying other TT releases, I'm good with that I don't need to make a profit...!

[Forever Knight]

Who remembers Jewdy-Rose?.

[DetroitSportsFan]

Originally Posted by toodeepuntilnow

Eh, as someone who flips a lot, there's not enough profit here for the effort.

I wouldn't be surprised if this draws a Fight Night-like interest. Horror collectors who don't know about this release are going to want it after it's gone.

[MykeHavoc]

Ok, I'm trying to understand the logic of these Twilight Time releases. They sell 3,000 copies at 30 bucks a pop. That's $90,000. Now how much would the license for the film cost? Less than $50,000? then the production run cost. How much profit are they actually making in the end? $20,000-$30,000? Is that really worth it to them?

Anyway, with no additional features and the price tag, I'm content with my DVD. It's got plenty of goodies and it looks fine up-converted.

[sancho]

I am going to buy this.

[hamchuck1]

Originally Posted by Forever Knight

$30 is steep. But this is easily the best zombie movie next to Dawn and the Dawn remake and a must own. Shitty for limited release.



The US Release (Forgotten Films) is excellent. Great PQ. I got mine a while ago and I am happy with it. The 1990 remake is the only remaining zombie flick I am missing for my collection.

I also think the Night /Dead '90 remake and Dawn/Dead remake are the best zombie movies out there. They actually show them trying to survive rather than go on the offensive like a video game.

[Forever Knight]

Originally Posted by hamchuck1

I also think the Night /Dead '90 remake and Dawn/Dead remake are the best zombie movies out there. They actually show them trying to survive rather than go on the offensive like a video game.

Agreed. Best of them all.

But make sure to check Return of the Living Dead.

[anet99999]

Originally Posted by prkprkprk

Ugh, I'm never buying from the TT site. Usually if they release something on BD, I won't bother to get it. I've only heard horrible things about trying to buy on their site, and the fact that they're limited to only 3,000 copies makes it even worse, along with the incredibly high price tag. I consider this bad news.

I didn't have any trouble with their website when I purchased "Fright Night"...

[mayorofsmpleton]

Originally Posted by MykeHavoc

Ok, I'm trying to understand the logic of these Twilight Time releases. They sell 3,000 copies at 30 bucks a pop. That's $90,000. Now how much would the license for the film cost? Less than $50,000? then the production run cost. How much profit are they actually making in the end? $20,000-$30,000? Is that really worth it to them?

Anyway, with no additional features and the price tag, I'm content with my DVD. It's got plenty of goodies and it looks fine up-converted.

There's little to no overhead. The prints are given over by Sony who have paid to restore them. They pay to simply license the titles. The manufacturing costs for 3,000 BDs in bulk would keep the price point low. Obviously we don't know how much they paid to license the titles but it could be a bulk deal that includes several predetermined titles they've yet to announce to us which could also keep costs down.

So let's just play around.

Say the profit is 20-30 thousand per title... they intend to do something like 20-30 releases a year, right? Even if it's just 20-30k per film... that amounts to

$400,000.00 (20 titles per year at 20k profit per title)
$600,000.00 (30 titles per year at 20k profit per title)
$600,000.00 (20 titles per year at 30k profit per title)
$900,000.00 (30 titles per year at 30k profit per title)

All in 1 calendar year. That's a very large profit for a company with little to no overhead costs. They also don't have to do any advertising because it all relies on word of mouth online. It's a genius business model, to be honest. That's just assuming they profit only 20-30k per title. Suppose they're licensing these films for cheaper in bulk with a lower production cost... they could be making quite a bit of extra change.

Then add the traffic it drives to their site. Just visiting I happened across a handful of soundtracks that caught my eye. I'm sure these titles will help boost sales across the board by getting more people to visit the site that otherwise may never have.

[mayorofsmpleton]

Originally Posted by anet99999

I didn't have any trouble with their website when I purchased "Fright Night"...

It sometimes has many glitches, etc. Probably not the best server or ready to deal with high traffic but it's not like it's unsafe from what I hear. They're a reputable company... I don't have any concerns about my private information leaking out, for example.

[HDMe]

Originally Posted by mayorofsmpleton

Say the profit is 20-30 thousand per title... they intend to do something like 20-30 releases a year, right? Even if it's just 20-30k per film... that amounts to

$400,000.00 (20 titles per year at 20k profit per title)
$600,000.00 (30 titles per year at 20k profit per title)
$600,000.00 (20 titles per year at 30k profit per title)
$900,000.00 (30 titles per year at 30k profit per title)

All in 1 calendar year.

To be fair... you're basing those profit margins on complete sellouts of all titles... which to date I believe only Fright Night has sold out.

So... in order to get to that level you are talking about by selling-out in quantity multiple titles... they would have to be able to rely on sellouts... and to this point, that's not something they have proven will happen.

I think most of us figure Night of the Living Dead to sellout... but that might be their only sellout this year.

Yes, some other older titles are coming close to sellout apparently... but those are titles they released last year... so if it takes you 2 years to sellout, then that "calendar year" profit table would have to be divided in half.

[mayorofsmpleton]

Originally Posted by HDMe

To be fair... you're basing those profit margins on complete sellouts of all titles... which to date I believe only Fright Night has sold out.

So... in order to get to that level you are talking about by selling-out in quantity multiple titles... they would have to be able to rely on sellouts... and to this point, that's not something they have proven will happen.

I think most of us figure Night of the Living Dead to sellout... but that might be their only sellout this year.

Yes, some other older titles are coming close to sellout apparently... but those are titles they released last year... so if it takes you 2 years to sellout, then that "calendar year" profit table would have to be divided in half.

Partially true. The earliest BD release was THE EGYPTIAN, which was June of last year. Aside from that their next release of BDs was in November 2011.

Being that before these "limited" titles they sold mostly film scores, etc... it's not like it can hurt their business. Even if it takes 2-4 years to "sell out" of a given one, it'll happen eventually... and they have 3 years at LEAST before a competitor can release the same title.

If you do a check on their apparent stock by adding the maximum to your cart you get the following on their currently available stock (release dates in parenthesis) -- this tells me that within a 2 year window many of these WILL sell out. Some faster than others but still.

Egyptian - 887 (6/12/11)
Mysterious Island - 519 (11/8/11)
Fright Night - SOLD OUT (12/13/11)
Rapture - 372 (12/13/11)
Picnic - 2084 (1/17/12)
Roots of Heaven - 2349 (1/17/12)
Swamp Water - 1220 (2/14/12)
Pal Joey - 1299 (2/14/12)
Demetrius and the Gladiators - 1013 (3/8/12)
Bite the Bullet - 1347 (3/8/12)
Desiree - 1413 (4/10/12)
Bell Book and Candle - 1109 (4/10/12)
Journey to the Center of the Earth - 676 (5/8/12)
The Big Heat - 620 (5/8/12)
As Good As It Gets - 2179 (6/12/12)
The Wayward Bus - 1742 (6/12/12)

For a company that mostly sells film scores and other niche items it's a solid business investment. Obviously that depends on how much it actually costs to license these titles (I'm guessing lower than some people expect.)

I'm actually surprised at how low AGAIG is selling. Perhaps it's not such a surprise Sony licensed it after all.

[Rz_Samurai]

So where can we order this from?

[mayorofsmpleton]

Originally Posted by Rz_Samurai

So where can we order this from?

Pre-order is not up yet. I'm guessing sometime in August perhaps? It's not even set for release until October this year.

[DetroitSportsFan]

Originally Posted by Rz_Samurai

So where can we order this from?

Originally Posted by mayorofsmpleton

Pre-order is not up yet. I'm guessing sometime in August perhaps? It's not even set for release until October this year.

Preorder will be early September.

[HDMe]

Originally Posted by mayorofsmpleton

Partially true. The earliest BD release was THE EGYPTIAN, which was June of last year. Aside from that their next release of BDs was in November 2011.

...

If you do a check on their apparent stock by adding the maximum to your cart you get the following on their currently available stock (release dates in parenthesis) -- this tells me that within a 2 year window many of these WILL sell out. Some faster than others but still.

Egyptian - 887 (6/12/11)
Mysterious Island - 519 (11/8/11)
Fright Night - SOLD OUT (12/13/11)
Rapture - 372 (12/13/11)
Picnic - 2084 (1/17/12)
Roots of Heaven - 2349 (1/17/12)
Swamp Water - 1220 (2/14/12)
Pal Joey - 1299 (2/14/12)
Demetrius and the Gladiators - 1013 (3/8/12)
Bite the Bullet - 1347 (3/8/12)
Desiree - 1413 (4/10/12)
Bell Book and Candle - 1109 (4/10/12)
Journey to the Center of the Earth - 676 (5/8/12)
The Big Heat - 620 (5/8/12)
As Good As It Gets - 2179 (6/12/12)
The Wayward Bus - 1742 (6/12/12)

Ok, but according to your math guesses... and of course they are guesses because we don't know how much profit they are making...

IF you assumed $30 per movie at 3000 copies, then that $90,000.00 contains $70,000.00 of expenses factoring in your $20,000.00 profit margin.

That's only true if they sellout... So, the best way to look at it is from the other direction... Using your figures, they have to sell 2333 of the 3000 copies to break even at that profit margin...

So... any movie with more than 667 copies left in stock has NOT made any profit yet for the company...

That means right now only 4 out of 16 movies has turned a profit... with only one complete sellout. Again, we are working with guess-timates so maybe their profit margin is better than your numbers... but if not... then it really isn't a good model to have 75% of your business venture losing money is it?

Yeah, I know they sell other things... but they have to sell more of those things to make up the losses on the movie side if this rate continues.

Also... even if they do sell-out at some point in the 3 year cycle of exclusivity... they had to pay out all of their expenses in advance (the licensing and the replication costs and stuff)... so getting that money back on sales in year 2 or year 3 isn't worth as much as having that money in year 1.

[Seymour]

I believe TT mentioned that they have to sell 2/3 of a title before it makes a profit.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by HDMe

Ok, but according to your math guesses... and of course they are guesses because we don't know how much profit they are making...

IF you assumed $30 per movie at 3000 copies, then that $90,000.00 contains $70,000.00 of expenses factoring in your $20,000.00 profit margin.

That's only true if they sellout... So, the best way to look at it is from the other direction... Using your figures, they have to sell 2333 of the 3000 copies to break even at that profit margin...

So... any movie with more than 667 copies left in stock has NOT made any profit yet for the company...

That means right now only 4 out of 16 movies has turned a profit... with only one complete sellout. Again, we are working with guess-timates so maybe their profit margin is better than your numbers... but if not... then it really isn't a good model to have 75% of your business venture losing money is it?

Yeah, I know they sell other things... but they have to sell more of those things to make up the losses on the movie side if this rate continues.

Also... even if they do sell-out at some point in the 3 year cycle of exclusivity... they had to pay out all of their expenses in advance (the licensing and the replication costs and stuff)... so getting that money back on sales in year 2 or year 3 isn't worth as much as having that money in year 1.

Don't forget that there is also a small amount of profit made on shipping.