LG's new OLED TVs

[JustThatPenguin]

Originally Posted by Ant1010

Yea I've spoke to Robert a few times over the past few months, I'm actually not too far from his store I'm really waiting for the Oppo/Sony UHD player to hit shelves first. I'm not technically in a rush I can always wait but waiting is no fun

Please fill me in on how amazing the W series is when it comes time and how badly I f'd up buying this E series instead of waiting a little while. lol The minute I saw the G series on CES, I got the itch. I needed that TV now! lol

[Ant1010]

Originally Posted by JustThatPenguin

Please fill me in on how amazing the W series is when it comes time and how badly I f'd up buying this E series instead of waiting a little while. lol The minute I saw the G series on CES, I got the itch. I needed that TV now! lol

September 15th I'll know if ill be waiting for the W or pulling the plug on the E

[CHASLS2]

Originally Posted by Ant1010

yeah I'm leaning towards it, I'm due for an upgrade. I thought about waiting for what the W series has to offer though, in a few weeks we will find out all details on it



Oh no I saw where you said an updated Kuro, but I guess you missed where I said what would you recommend. You gave me a fictional recommendation then said you wouldn't recommend anything. So since you have zero interest in any current TV available why sit in this thread? do you usually comment on things that you have zero interest in?

There is nothing to recommend jen. Without plasma, display tech is dead to me until other makers get in the OLED act and start making OLEDS that work and cost half as much as they do now. I used to spend 3 to 5k every year back when they had CRT and plasma from 1989 until 2013. I waited out plasma for 10 years and i am sure i will wait out OLED for years.

I would love to buy a OLED right now, but not with LG as the only maker. I have kept my 60vt60 for a record 3 years and it only has around 2000 hours on it. I love spending money.
I'm not spending 5k on a display with banding and other probs.

[CHASLS2]

Originally Posted by vinnie97

Pay no mind to Chas. He's one of those pry my plasma from my fingers when I'm dead types. The only way new tech reaches price points that picky videophiles like is if picky videophiles buy them, warts and all. LG is not bottom rung anymore. Time to push that notion to the curb. What is true is that this is only the second year of UHD OLED (year 4 if you want to count 1080p in the calculation). Robert Zohn already answered what this year's best set is by conducting the shootout this past June.

I have been the first to jump on new tech since 1989. I was a fool and had to be the first to get DTV when it cost $800 and $200 to install in 1994. I had to have the newest XBR CRT and Loewe made year after year.

[PRO-630HD]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

So you actually believe that? If that is the case all 55" 3D LG Oled users would have the same issue watching at less than 9 feet of distance.
Yes I can roll the TV further away from me. I guess I can try later on when I get home

What issue are you having? We told you before your TV was too high from your seating position. You fixed that right. Crosstalk can't be fixed if the TV is too high, too low from the seating position. Multiple reviews have stated that.

[vinnie97]

Originally Posted by punisher

best out there isn't always a best buy..I have been to quite a few shootouts and have seen some of the "winners". Patience is tough when you got the bug to make a change...

The Kuro was at the same shootout of recent. Yes, it held its own against the competition with standard vanilla HD. The size upgrade plus black level and contrast ratio improvements make for a picture that is more riveting in a blackout environment, however. The pricing on the lower end units, which provide near equivalent PQ, is better than that of the 9G Kuros. I know you love your Pioneer, but the bias is oozing through some of your posts especially the stuff about LG. Japan, Inc has been hollowed out if you haven't noticed (at least half of the remaining names are under the direct control of the Chinese now, like Sharp), so when that Pio reaches EOL, your last best options (assuming no more fallout like Panasonic exiting displays entirely, which they have for all intents and purposes in the US) are Chinese-manufactured Japan, Inc LCDs or Korean emissive. Samsung is the one manufacturer that deserves utter scorn and ridicule for sitting on their laurels and constantly blowing smoke. That's what tends to happen when you sit at the top of the sales chart, but nothing is assured in perpetuity in this industry.

Originally Posted by CHASLS2

There is nothing to recommend jen. Without plasma, display tech is dead to me until other makers get in the OLED act and start making OLEDS that work and cost half as much as they do now. I used to spend 3 to 5k every year back when they had CRT and plasma from 1989 until 2013. I waited out plasma for 10 years and i am sure i will wait out OLED for years.

I would love to buy a OLED right now, but not with LG as the only maker. I have kept my 60vt60 for a record 3 years and it only has around 2000 hours on it. I love spending money.
I'm not spending 5k on a display with banding and other probs.

My ZT60 was an IR magnet and suffered screen discoloration when using the subtitles (I presume heat and/or voltage anomalies were to blame). Needless to say, I had to sell it because of the frustration surrounding those issues (it would take most of the following week to erase the IR generated by Sunday football). My point is there's no perfect display.

Secondly, there are no other makers and won't be as far as the eye can see. LGD's left them in the dust with the competition having no choice but to milk every last gimmick out of LCD in hopes of killing emissive once and for all (see the blinding Z9 with its 700 zones). By purchasing at this almost fully mature state, I'm trying to do my small part in making sure that doesn't happen.

I predict you will spend another at least 16 years with that plasma if you continue the same purchasing behavior. Quantum Dot is the only other tech besides LCD even being entertained, and there actually needs to be a prototype revealed before it has a chance in hell of surfacing commercially. Then, you can typically expect new tech to reach the market ~5 years after that at exorbitant pricing.

Nevertheless, it does beg the question why you're here in the LG OLED thread. Until you've tried one for yourself to see just how problematic these really are, all of the incessant complaints should rightly fall on deaf ears.

Originally Posted by CHASLS2

I have been the first to jump on new tech since 1989. I was a fool and had to be the first to get DTV when it cost $800 and $200 to install in 1994. I had to have the newest XBR CRT and Loewe made year after year.

I get not wanting to fall back into the yearly upgrade trap...last year I absolutely would have concurred with the prudent plan on waiting. Problems are 90% to 95% eradicated this year, however, and the only reason to delay further is if you care deeply about HDR (not me). The last bit of uniformity imperfections *might* be reason for pause as well, but let's not pretend these look anything like the 2015 models or that they haven't made incredible strides in improving near-black uniformity. Coming from a 9500 to a G6, I'm here to tell you they have.

Hey, enjoy your VT60 until kingdom come (2000 hours over 3 years almost qualifies it as a glorified piece of furniture ), but please stop haunting the thread with all the incessant naysaying and dismissive advice for those eager to upgrade. It is entirely derived from negative owner experiences (which are traditionally more impactful than those shared by the content owners) but ignores the many who are happy. I would put myself in the nearly completely satisfied bunch (almost a love hate relationship, but the love overpowers the hate tenfold when this sucker is firing on all cylinders). I would have said similar about the ZT60 once it began showing its aforementioned uglies. The Kuro was the real diamond in the rough (only caveat being that it was showing uneven letterbox aging by year 5) where I could scarcely level a complaint. Pioneer had spent over a decade by that point in time acquiring competitors and perfecting the process. Japan has long since moved on, so you have to size up the landscape and settle for what's available today if you're seeking to upgrade. Year 4 of OLED has reached uniformity that is nearly to the level of Kuro uniformity (at year 11), so some of you need to cut the chaebol a little slack, IMO.

Soz for the essay. Let me jump down off this soapbox.

[RockyIII]

Ok guys, a quick update:
I decided-as dumb as it felt-to move the TV from 5.5 feet away to 8 feet away-and played a few 3D movies that were giving me issues.To my big surprise, It WORKED!
All the crosstalk/ghosting or whatever you want to call it is now GONE. 3D picture is flawless, and as gorgeous as ever. I kept looking in the background trying to spot all the crossed lines I was used to see and they are not there anymore.
I tried to again move the TV to its original position and when I played those movies the issues immediately re-appeared!
I guess LG was right and I was wrong?

[punisher]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Ok guys, a quick update:
I decided-as dumb as it felt-to move the TV from 5.5 feet away to 8 feet away-and played a few 3D movies that were giving me issues.To my big surprise, It WORKED!
All the crosstalk/ghosting or whatever you want to call it is now GONE. 3D picture is flawless, and as gorgeous as ever. I kept looking in the background trying to spot all the crossed lines I was used to see and they are not there anymore.
I tried to again move the TV to its original position and when I played those movies the issues immediately re-appeared!
I guess LG was right and I was wrong?

glad to hear that worked for you...3D can be fussy

[punisher]

Originally Posted by vinnie97

The Kuro was at the same shootout of recent. Yes, it held its own against the competition with standard vanilla HD. The size upgrade plus black level and contrast ratio improvements make for a picture that is more riveting in a blackout environment, however. The pricing on the lower end units, which provide near equivalent PQ, is better than that of the 9G Kuros. I know you love your Pioneer, but the bias is oozing through some of your posts especially the stuff about LG."



.........I am not biased and that was NOT a 111fd set but Robert's KRM monitor that he keeps in storage and all telecasts are 'Vanilla" HD as well as all blu rays. So yes in 4K content, screen savers, loop playbacks of specially recorded content the OLED is superior as it should be.



"My ZT60 was an IR magnet and suffered screen discoloration when using the subtitles (I presume heat and/or voltage anomalies were to blame). Needless to say, I had to sell it because of the frustration surrounding those issues (it would take most of the following week to erase the IR generated by Sunday football). My point is there's no perfect display."

......................My VT60 doesn't seem to have the issues as your ZT60...and yes there is no perfect display



"Secondly, there are no other makers and won't be as far as the eye can see. LGD's left them in the dust with the competition having no choice but to milk every last gimmick out of LCD in hopes of killing emissive once and for all (see the blinding Z9 with its 700 zones). By purchasing at this almost fully mature state, I'm trying to do my small part in making sure that doesn't happen."


...........................I agree, LCD BS is what killed plasma and the rest should be in the OLED game too. As reported they are on the QLED band wagon.



"I predict you will spend another at least 16 years with that plasma if you continue the same purchasing behavior. "


.................Is that a bad thing???..purchasing behavior??..if you only knew of my high end audio lack of control..LOL




"Nevertheless, it does beg the question why you're here in the LG OLED thread."


...................Because it's open to all members for discussion







"Hey, enjoy your VT60 until kingdom come (2000 hours over 3 years almost qualifies it as a glorified piece of furniture ), but please stop haunting the thread with all the incessant naysaying and dismissive advice for those eager to upgrade. It is entirely derived from negative owner experiences (which are traditionally more impactful than those shared by the content owners) but ignores the many who are happy. I would put myself in the nearly completely satisfied bunch (almost a love hate relationship, but the love overpowers the hate tenfold when this sucker is firing on all cylinders). I would have said similar about the ZT60 once it began showing its aforementioned uglies. The Kuro was the real diamond in the rough (only caveat being that it was showing uneven letterbox aging by year 5) where I could scarcely level a complaint. Pioneer had spent over a decade by that point in time acquiring competitors and perfecting the process. Japan has long since moved on, so you have to size up the landscape and settle for what's available today if you're seeking to upgrade. Year 4 of OLED has reached uniformity that is nearly to the level of Kuro uniformity (at year 11), so some of you need to cut the chaebol a little slack, IMO.

Soz for the essay. Let me jump down off this soapbox.

MY VT "piece of furniture" look great and I hope it lasts until QLED or 8K makes it mark. OLED should be progressing faster as plasma was nothing more than a flat panel display in the beginning and had a lot work to do to arrive at it's final and still outstanding place in tv development. OLED gets to pick up where it left off so it has a great headstart in giving consumers a great tv that has been lacking while we all suffered in the LCD/LED only years.

Has LG realy left the others in the dust?? Toshiba thought the same thing with HD DVD and they are still suffering that decision....and HD DVD was a great product yet short lived as blu ray was just waiting to get in full swing by all the other manufacturer's. The fact that the rest are waiting for QLED could spell doom for LG and OLED in a year or two. I hope not as I have been waiting and watching the development of OLED for some time now.

[CHASLS2]

Originally Posted by vinnie97

The Kuro was at the same shootout of recent. Yes, it held its own against the competition with standard vanilla HD. The size upgrade plus black level and contrast ratio improvements make for a picture that is more riveting in a blackout environment, however. The pricing on the lower end units, which provide near equivalent PQ, is better than that of the 9G Kuros. I know you love your Pioneer, but the bias is oozing through some of your posts especially the stuff about LG. Japan, Inc has been hollowed out if you haven't noticed (at least half of the remaining names are under the direct control of the Chinese now, like Sharp), so when that Pio reaches EOL, your last best options (assuming no more fallout like Panasonic exiting displays entirely, which they have for all intents and purposes in the US) are Chinese-manufactured Japan, Inc LCDs or Korean emissive. Samsung is the one manufacturer that deserves utter scorn and ridicule for sitting on their laurels and constantly blowing smoke. That's what tends to happen when you sit at the top of the sales chart, but nothing is assured in perpetuity in this industry.

My ZT60 was an IR magnet and suffered screen discoloration when using the subtitles (I presume heat and/or voltage anomalies were to blame). Needless to say, I had to sell it because of the frustration surrounding those issues (it would take most of the following week to erase the IR generated by Sunday football). My point is there's no perfect display.

Secondly, there are no other makers and won't be as far as the eye can see. LGD's left them in the dust with the competition having no choice but to milk every last gimmick out of LCD in hopes of killing emissive once and for all (see the blinding Z9 with its 700 zones). By purchasing at this almost fully mature state, I'm trying to do my small part in making sure that doesn't happen.

I predict you will spend another at least 16 years with that plasma if you continue the same purchasing behavior. Quantum Dot is the only other tech besides LCD even being entertained, and there actually needs to be a prototype revealed before it has a chance in hell of surfacing commercially. Then, you can typically expect new tech to reach the market ~5 years after that at exorbitant pricing.

Nevertheless, it does beg the question why you're here in the LG OLED thread. Until you've tried one for yourself to see just how problematic these really are, all of the incessant complaints should rightly fall on deaf ears.

I get not wanting to fall back into the yearly upgrade trap...last year I absolutely would have concurred with the prudent plan on waiting. Problems are 90% to 95% eradicated this year, however, and the only reason to delay further is if you care deeply about HDR (not me). The last bit of uniformity imperfections *might* be reason for pause as well, but let's not pretend these look anything like the 2015 models or that they haven't made incredible strides in improving near-black uniformity. Coming from a 9500 to a G6, I'm here to tell you they have.

Hey, enjoy your VT60 until kingdom come (2000 hours over 3 years almost qualifies it as a glorified piece of furniture ), but please stop haunting the thread with all the incessant naysaying and dismissive advice for those eager to upgrade. It is entirely derived from negative owner experiences (which are traditionally more impactful than those shared by the content owners) but ignores the many who are happy. I would put myself in the nearly completely satisfied bunch (almost a love hate relationship, but the love overpowers the hate tenfold when this sucker is firing on all cylinders). I would have said similar about the ZT60 once it began showing its aforementioned uglies. The Kuro was the real diamond in the rough (only caveat being that it was showing uneven letterbox aging by year 5) where I could scarcely level a complaint. Pioneer had spent over a decade by that point in time acquiring competitors and perfecting the process. Japan has long since moved on, so you have to size up the landscape and settle for what's available today if you're seeking to upgrade. Year 4 of OLED has reached uniformity that is nearly to the level of Kuro uniformity (at year 11), so some of you need to cut the chaebol a little slack, IMO.

Soz for the essay. Let me jump down off this soapbox.

I don't think my 60vt60 will last for 20 more years. TV's don't last like they did in the 60's and 70's for 25+ years. LED needs to be done away with and bring back CRT and plasma. Never had one bit of IR on the 4 plasma sets own.

It was the same with Telescopes, Japan made the best APO's and ED's and now everything is made in China and dumbed down. I have owned over 200 scopes and paying $2k for a triplet APO made in China compared to the american made AP triplet that cost 8K is nite and day better.

I am stuck with my 60vt60 for a few years i guess, plus i gotta have RCA jacks for my S- VHS VCRS as i use them for tuners for cable thru the wall. I don't even think i can use my VCR's with these new OLEDS. I have no way to get 4k or HDR so that is a moot point for me. I guess i could step up to a UHD player and replace my OPPO83 that has never worked right.

So i just see no need to jump on OLED for at least another 2 years.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by punisher

glad to hear that worked for you...3D can be fussy

I'm still baffled by how literally 2.5 feet difference in viewing distance can so greatly affect 3D. Thank you for your kind reply by the way

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[CHASLS2]

Who in the heck wants to bother with 3d?

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by CHASLS2

Who in the heck wants to bother with 3d?

Passive 3D on Oled? Don't knock it till you try it

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[vinnie97]

Originally Posted by punisher

Has LG realy left the others in the dust?? Toshiba thought the same thing with HD DVD and they are still suffering that decision....and HD DVD was a great product yet short lived as blu ray was just waiting to get in full swing by all the other manufacturer's. The fact that the rest are waiting for QLED could spell doom for LG and OLED in a year or two. I hope not as I have been waiting and watching the development of OLED for some time now.

I was only speaking of technical merits. HD DVD wasn't any kind of technical upgrade over Blu-ray, was it (not that that in and of itself ensures commercial victory either)? It's also not an apples vs oranges comparison. I think Sony with the Z9, which is priced similarly (model-dependent) to OLED comes the closest to it (and surpasses it for sheer brightness). The "why are you here" was intended more towards Chas than yourself by the way. You're not constantly reminding the thread you're not buying in. It just creates an SNR that is too low for genuinely interested OLED enthusiasts.

I think you're giving the vanishingly small QLED enthusiast crowd too much credit...how many years of patient waiting will keep them from upgrading? There won't be a QLED TV in 2 years much less 5. Samsung is a carnival barker who says one thing and does another (and then comes back a week later taking the opposite position).

[CHASLS2]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Passive 3D on Oled? Don't knock it till you try it

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I can't see in 3 D very well since one eye takes over the other. I tried that silly 3D Jaws 3 in 1983 and no thanks.

[zoran]

Imo 3D is old school, long gone I am enjoying 3D audio more than video at least u don't have to sit like dorks with dark glasses in your own house in the dark at night time ;( I hope VR is not the next stupid thing these TV companies decide to mooch us with ;( I hope I can see hologram tv in my life time though till then 4K with HDR/ Dolby vision and 3D audio with a large 70 plus inch display with PQ and video processing like my Kuro plasma that I can buy sub 5k shall be a good bet


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[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by CHASLS2

I can't see in 3 D very well since one eye takes over the other. I tried that silly 3D Jaws 3 in 1983 and no thanks.

Oled 3D is ocean apart from what we saw in 3D Jaws 3

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[vinnie97]

The stellar 3D presentation is one reason I bought in this year. If I was worried about what others thought of me wearing 3D glasses in the home, I would have even more troubling things to worry about (like who is spying on me and why? ).

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by vinnie97

The stellar 3D presentation is one reason I bought in this year. If I was worried about what others thought of me wearing 3D glasses in the home, I would have even more troubling things to worry about (like who is spying on me and why? ).

This is the only 3D that doesn't give me headaches or makes the picture too dark. The depth and PQ is unparalleled

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[JustThatPenguin]

Originally Posted by CHASLS2

I can't see in 3 D very well since one eye takes over the other. I tried that silly 3D Jaws 3 in 1983 and no thanks.

If you haven't seen any of the recent 3d. You should give it a try. 3d has come a long way. We use to hate movie theater 3d. Yet we love it at home.