LG's new OLED TVs

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

Which is, again, what I said in my very first comment.

I was clarifying my post. When I said "remove" the link from comments, I meant they break/kill the live link and leave the path, so you have to cut and paste the link info in your browser.

[raygendreau]

If the information from the German 65EG9609 review is accurate, it seems unlikely that there will be any software solution to achieve HDR.

" 65EG9609 a higher peak brightness of nearly 380 cd / m2"

https://translate.google.com/transla...tml&edit-text=

Here is a very thorough comparison of the LG 55EC930V (1080P) and the LG 55EG960V (2160P) from an owner and calibrator:

http://www.displayandsoundcalibratio...-lg-ec-930v-2/

Check out the Owner's thread from AV forum I posted earlier. Europe seems to have a better supply of the LG 55EG960V than the U.S. has (LG 55EG9600). They love the display. Several people are exchanging their EC930V for the EG960V. Seems they have a 90 day return policy at some of the UK retailers.

Another review of the LG 55EG960V (includes a video review) http://www.whathifi.com/lg/55eg960v/review

[David M]

A software solution for HDR is not possible. A software update can't change the physical characteristics of the display. Even LCDs have some difficulty maintaining the brightness needed or HDR.

Implementing the SMPTE 2084 (PQ) "gamma" would be a software-updatable thing, but the panel has to be able to go very bright for the entire effect to be complete. I'd be curious to see how it looked with only that one part of the equation present, though.

I haven't had the chance to measure the peak luminance of one of the EG-series OLEDs yet. From the look I've had at one, it does look like the poor color accuracy at low luminance levels has been partially addressed, as has the contouring - but I'd need to do a full calibration before giving that the all-clear.

Unfortunately now we have undefeatable texture enhancement (sharpening) which I'm hoping is a mistake that can be addressed. The banding is also still present. Still, it looks like an improved product overall.

I don't know that that's true. Are they taking about peak brightness on a smaller field or on the entire screen? There's a huge difference between the two, and the set may be able to pump out a higher brightness over a small portion of the screen.

There's no way in hell 380 cd/m2 luminance is with a full field, so that number sounds entirely plausible (and actually quite impressive when you keep in mind it's an OLED).

[David M]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Exactly. Also HDCP 2.2 is necessary for streaming Netflix UHD:

No, it isn't. HDCP only applies to external video inputs. It's implemented by HDMI. If you're using the Netflix interface inside the TV itself and not on an external device, HDCP doesn't even come into play.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Lyris

No, it isn't. HDCP only applies to external video inputs. It's implemented by HDMI. If you're using the Netflix interface inside the TV itself and not on an external device, HDCP doesn't even come into play.

Yes, I was thinking of streaming from an external source when I posted that. Netflix UHD via the Sony FMP-X10. HDCP 2.2 is not restricted to HDMI only. It can apply wireless connections and more. The source can be the Netflix 4K server and the sink the UHD Display, with the entire path secured by HDCP 2.2. (Content DRM is a separate issue) I can't confirm that Netflix is actually using this now, but I believe they intend to.

"HDCP isn't solely over HDMI. It can be implemented to work over DVI, DisplayPort, USB, and more."

http://www.cnet.com/news/hdcp-2-2-wh...-need-to-know/

See page 3 in the next link: HDCP Support for Streaming Interfaces

http://cdn2.hubspot.net/hub/327778/f...=1396278552000

Regarding the German eval.; there are now 5 parts to it. The Google translation leaves a lot to be desired. Here are the last two:

https://translate.google.com/transla...tml&edit-text=

https://translate.google.com/transla....de&edit-text=

[raygendreau]

With the caveat that there is no HDR standard from the UHD Alliance yet, LG seems to have settled on HDR displays having an 800 nit panel. From everything I have read, the 800 nit panel displays won't be available until 3rd quarter 2015. The German eval implies that the LG 65EG960V and presumably the 65EG9600 do not have 800 nit panels. I look forward to calibrator's confirmation of this for the LG 65EG9600.

The British are having a feeding frenzy on the LG 55EG960V. LG seems to be providing an adequate supply to Europe. Not so in the U.S.

[Robert Zohn]

Originally Posted by Lyris

A software solution for HDR is not possible. A software update can't change the physical characteristics of the display. Even LCDs have some difficulty maintaining the brightness needed or HDR.

Implementing the SMPTE 2084 (PQ) "gamma" would be a software-updatable thing, but the panel has to be able to go very bright for the entire effect to be complete. I'd be curious to see how it looked with only that one part of the equation present, though.

I haven't had the chance to measure the peak luminance of one of the EG-series OLEDs yet. From the look I've had at one, it does look like the poor color accuracy at low luminance levels has been partially addressed, as has the contouring - but I'd need to do a full calibration before giving that the all-clear.

Unfortunately now we have undefeatable texture enhancement (sharpening) which I'm hoping is a mistake that can be addressed. The banding is also still present. Still, it looks like an improved product overall.

There's no way in hell 380 cd/m2 luminance is with a full field, so that number sounds entirely plausible (and actually quite impressive when you keep in mind it's an OLED).

Glad to see the progress with improved color tracking and the fix for the false contouring in the first EG9600s.

My 55EG9600 store demo has very minimal banding and it's greatly reduced over the approximate 300 hrs. of use.

Regarding HDR peak luminance requirements are we expecting 800 nits with a 10% window size? And for how long will we need the 800 nits to stay on the screen?

I have the UN65JS9500, 77EG9700, 65X950B and 55EG9600 all next to each other Great line up of beautiful displays and interesting to see the differences after watching several hundred hours in low and high ambient light conditions and with varied HD and native 4K content.

-Robert

Originally Posted by raygendreau

With the caveat that there is no HDR standard from the UHD Alliance yet, LG seems to have settled on HDR displays having an 800 nit panel. From everything I have read, the 800 nit panel displays won't be available until 3rd quarter 2015. The German eval implies that the LG 65EG960V and presumably the 65EG9600 do not have 800 nit panels. I look forward to calibrator's confirmation of this for the LG 65EG9600.

The British are having a feeding frenzy on the LG 55EG960V. LG seems to be providing an adequate supply to Europe. Not so in the U.S.

No serious shortage of 55EG9600s in the US that I know of. Limited, but more available than other LG 4K OLED TVs availability.

-Robert

[David M]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

With the caveat that there is no HDR standard from the UHD Alliance yet, LG seems to have settled on HDR displays having an 800 nit panel.

Very impressive if they can pull that off without other side effects.
The current (2015) models definitely can't go that high.

[vinnie97]

In a darkened room, the dynamic range (especially at the low end) provided by WOLED should be adequate enough to mimic HDR. I'm personally tired of hearing about this "must-have" industry upsell feature, and as the actual eyewitness reports continue to trickle in, it's becoming increasingly clear a videophile looking to grab an OLED is not going to care much for the "benefits" HDR provides.

[dnlfrncs]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

I have the UN65JS9500, 77EG9700, 65X950B and 55EG9600 all next to each other Great line up of beautiful displays and interesting to see the differences after watching several hundred hours in low and high ambient light conditions and with varied HD and native 4K content.

-Robert

Any word on when you might have the tv shootout this year, and if a flat oled might make an appearance?

[Robert Zohn]

Very good question. The TV Shootout will include LG's 65" flat 4K OLED and hopefully Sharp's upcoming 80" Full Array locally dimmed "Beyond 4K" TV they announced at CES.

I have high expectations for Sharp's FALD Beyond 4K 80" UHD TV. It's packed with 66 million subpixels on an 80" diagonal panel. 4 times more than conventional 4K TVs.

By splitting the 3840x2160 pixels Sharp's display engineers may be able to show us what you can do with good 1080p (unconverted) and even better with native and streamed 4K content on an 80" screen with stunning video performance.

-Robert

[JimShaw]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Very good question. The TV Shootout will include LG's 65" flat 4K OLED and hopefully Sharp's upcoming 80" Full Array locally dimmed "Beyond 4K" TV they announced at CES.

I have high expectations for Sharp's FALD Beyond 4K 80" UHD TV. It's packed with 66 million subpixels on an 80" diagonal panel. 4 times more than conventional 4K TVs.

By splitting the 3840x2160 pixels Sharp's display engineers may be able to show us what you can do with good 1080p (unconverted) and even better with native and streamed 4K content on an 80" screen with stunning video performance.

-Robert

That's the one that I have been waiting for. The 65EF9500.

In two weeks I finally get to see the curved 65" OLED for an impression. Then comes the Shootout. After that, I'll talk my wife into giving me the OK to order.

Like's good until 2017 when I start looking once more.

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Robert

If you read this post:

Will you be doing a calibration if asked? and if so, are you going be doing the recommended 400 hour break-in before? Seems like a long time to have your home filled with TVs in break-in mode.


m

[spectre08]

Originally Posted by JimShaw

That's the one that I have been waiting for. The 65EF9500.

In two weeks I finally get to see the curved 65" OLED for an impression. Then comes the Shootout. After that, I'll talk my wife into giving me the OK to order.

Like's good until 2017 when I start looking once more.

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Robert

If you read this post:

Will you be doing a calibration if asked? and if so, are you going be doing the recommended 400 hour break-in before? Seems like a long time to have your home filled with TVs in break-in mode.


m

the 65EF9500 isn't the OLED, it's an IPS panel. The OLED 4K tv would be the 65EG9600

[spectre08]

The coolest upcoming TVs from LG are the OLED that can transition between curved and flat.

[dnlfrncs]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Very good question. The TV Shootout will include LG's 65" flat 4K OLED and hopefully Sharp's upcoming 80" Full Array locally dimmed "Beyond 4K" TV they announced at CES.

I have high expectations for Sharp's FALD Beyond 4K 80" UHD TV. It's packed with 66 million subpixels on an 80" diagonal panel. 4 times more than conventional 4K TVs.

By splitting the 3840x2160 pixels Sharp's display engineers may be able to show us what you can do with good 1080p (unconverted) and even better with native and streamed 4K content on an 80" screen with stunning video performance.

-Robert

That's good news, looking forward to it .

[dnlfrncs]

Originally Posted by spectre08

the 65EF9500 isn't the OLED, it's an IPS panel. The OLED 4K tv would be the 65EG9600

No, it's the 4k Oled flat model, the eg9600 is the curved oled

[spectre08]

Originally Posted by dnlfrncs

No, it's the 4k Oled flat model, the eg9600 is the curved oled

oh I see, I confused the EF and UF.

I am glad that they're going to have flat OLEDs. I don't think I would ever want a curved tv.

[vinnie97]

Haven't heard anything about those flats in a while...hope the release dates don't slip again. Reported UHD OLED yields of 80% bodes well that they won't. LG just has to stay on top of the Samdung misinformation campaign in the meantime.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Another review of the LG 55EG960V (includes a video review) http://www.whathifi.com/lg/55eg960v/review

Very encouraging review given all the "CONS" relating to picture quality are irrelevant to me, I don't care too much about upscaling and I haven't used the "sound" on any of my TVs (with the rare exception of when I hook up the SNES to play Mario Kart, lol) in about 10 years.

Looks good!

I've noticed my TC-P60VT60 has a tiny 1" wide uneven picture on the right side, I think I'm probably the only person that will notice it but I've noticed it and now I'm a little ticked off. Maybe a 4K OLED is closer in the future than I originally thought. I'll have to run the screen wiper a few times to see if it evens out.

[raygendreau]

LG 55 and 65 OLEDs Netflix seal of approval:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/lg-ele...160500524.html

More about Netflix recommended TV: https://devices.netflix.com/recommendedtv/

Some speculation that Netflix HDR (Marco Polo, et. al.) introduction will coincide with LG roll out of their HDR displays in the 3rd quarter.

http://www.oled-info.com/lg-promises...ed-tvs-q3-2015