LG's new OLED TVs

[Kinsella5]

Originally Posted by Mr. Joshua

I thought the price of the 65" G6 was going to be $6999 which now I see it is $7999... I'll be picking one up when it drops to $4999... I think the prices should fall since last years premium model dropped from $8999 to $4999

You should wait even longer, these sets will start dropping even faster as soon as more companies release their OLED sets. I say wait a year and these sets will be $2500 or less.

[Robert Zohn]

Which TV manufacturer do you think will be the next to bring out an OLED TV?

[Kinsella5]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Which TV manufacturer do you think will be the next to bring out an OLED TV?

I think Panasonic showcased some at CES, prices are just way too high, its like that for every new bit of technology and then prices drop quite fast. I didn't jump into the Blu-ray craze until about a year or so after it came out, once the format war was decided and Blu-ray won out. I myself will wait it out for awhile, zero problems with my Panasonic 46" plasma so would rather wait until the prices come down and there are plenty of BDHD movies out there.

[Robert Zohn]

I like your thinking and that's good for many folks, in fact, likely the vast majority. But many in the population of a/v advanced user forum members are very willing to be early adopters. Early adopters pay a premium, but get to enjoy their hobby earlier and for more time.

Panasonic buys their OLED panels from LG and they have not announced distribution in the USA. And even if they did market them in the USA it would not be possible to compete on price as they would be at a distinct disadvantage since the panels come from LG.

Not only does LG own the patents on the only proven method of producing large OLED panels, but they own and operate the only large screen OLED panel manufacturing factories. I'd love to see more brands of OLED TVs as I love the contrast ratio, color fidelity and feel of an emissive pixel illumination display far more than a transmissive LCD panel that passes the bright back or edge light through a series of polarizing filters, color filters, diffusers and then liquid crystals to block the color and light.

So all in all the world is a big place and we all enjoy our liberties and even a hobby or two for many. For me, I've always been interested in the bleeding edge of all technology advancements.

Sorry for the rant.

-Robert

[Kinsella5]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

I like your thinking and that's good for many folks, in fact, likely the vast majority. But many in the population of a/v advanced user forum members are very willing to be early adopters. Early adopters pay a premium, but get to enjoy their hobby earlier and for more time.

Panasonic buys their OLED panels from LG and they have not announced distribution in the USA. And even if they did market them in the USA it would not be possible to compete on price as they would be at a distinct disadvantage since the panels come from LG.

Not only does LG own the patents on the only proven method of producing large OLED panels, but they own and operate the only large screen OLED panel manufacturing factories. I'd love to see more brands of OLED TVs as I love the contrast ratio, color fidelity and feel of an emissive pixel illumination display far more than a transmissive LCD panel that passes the bright back or edge light through a series of polarizing filters, color filters, diffusers and then liquid crystals to block the color and light.

So all in all the world is a big place and we all enjoy our liberties and even a hobby or two for many. For me, I've always been interested in the bleeding edge of all technology advancements.

Sorry for the rant.

-Robert

Oh by all means, if people want to jump on board and be the first, more power to them, for me when it comes to televisions and the "next generation" for home video, I just like to wait it out on the sidelines and see how it develops, let them work the bugs and kinks out as well as let the prices fall, which they do quite rapidly nowdays.

[Tns49]

Originally Posted by Kinsella5

You should wait even longer, these sets will start dropping even faster as soon as more companies release their OLED sets. I say wait a year and these sets will be $2500 or less.

I don't expect to see much price drop on the G6, They will probably not offer many of them.. The E6 at $6999 is the price the original poster has seen and is more likely to see some price drop.

[vinnie97]

Samsung rebadging LG WOLED is probably more likely in 2017 than getting anything out of Panasonic stateside.

[Mr. Joshua]

Once the other models come out and a few come off the shelf I think the price will drop a bit. I live in an apartment so with the sound bar its like a 2 in 1 deal for me. I'd just like to see a G6 and hear it first. I'm guessing the sound will be fairly descent for an apartment setup. Also single and no kids and I don't fish or hunt which both tend to be more expensive than the hobby of music and movies. I've also become very selective in the movies that I purchase. I'll drop a few Benjamin's on the G6...

[Midnight Rambler]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

I love the ... feel of an emissive pixel illumination display ...

I dunno, that just sounds kind of dirty ...

[somchair1]

Originally Posted by Tns49

I don't expect to see much price drop on the G6, They will probably not offer many of them.. The E6 at $6999 is the price the original poster has seen and is more likely to see some price drop.

the prices always drop. People just have to have patience. But by all means if you don't want to wait it out then go ahead and spend that money.

[Robert Zohn]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

I love the ... feel of an emissive pixel illumination display ...

Originally Posted by Midnight Rambler

I dunno, that just sounds kind of dirty ...

Can I have permission to quote my quote? Love you edit, you actually captured how I feel.

-Robert

[eriaur]

LG Reveals Super Bowl Deals On Select OLED, LED TV Models

http://hdguru.com/lg-reveals-super-d...led-tv-models/

[eriaur]

Hands on with LG's 2016 OLED TVs - FlatpanelsHD

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by eriaur

Hands on with LG's 2016 OLED TVs - FlatpanelsHD

These excerpts lead me to believe there is a lot of work to do on HDR. I wonder how LCD display manufacturers will approach these unsettled issues?
What about HDR calibration. Getting any closer to settling that?

“we have had no doubt in our minds that OLED is the best display technology for HDR. Dolby must agree but we had one nagging question.

The OLEDs reach nowhere near 4000 nits that studios aim for when mastering content in Dolby Vision. No TVs do - except for a few prototypes. But really, that is not required for a TV to claim Dolby Vision support, Dolby argued. You can still get almost all of the benefits of the format at lower peak brightness levels.

So if you have an OLED TV capable of reaching 600 nits peaks it will simply cut off the higher-end of the brightness range in the DV signal. How to best do that is still being debated. Neil told us that last year’s HDR OLED TVs tended to clip highlight details in very bright scenes due to this intentional clipping of the upper end. This year’s models will have an improved algorithm to retain more details

When mastering in Dolby Vision, the studios can also change HDR grading from scene to scene, which can potentially be significant, although no one knows for sure until more content has been mastered.

Movies in HDR10 and Dolby Vision will be available on Blu-ray (not initially in Dolby Vision) and Netflix. If both formats are available for any particular movie or TV series, LG’s OLED TVs will pick the Dolby Vision layer.

The 2016 OLED TVs will have three HDR settings: Standard, Bright, and Vivid. We have spoken to Neil on more than one occasion and one of his points about HDR is that the industry needs to come up with a way to “tone map HDR”.

One solution is to implement a proper tone mapping function to adjust the luminance range of HDR signals. That is what LG has tried to do with the three setting options. However, Neil stressed that the industry still has work to do in regards to tone mapping and peak brightness clipping.”

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/focus.ph...DUfkMHMaEAb.99

[Robert Zohn]

snip for brevity by Robert Zohn

Originally Posted by raygendreau

So if you have an OLED TV capable of reaching 600 nits peaks it will simply cut off the higher-end of the brightness range in the DV signal.

Movies in HDR10 and Dolby Vision will be available on Blu-ray (not initially in Dolby Vision) and Netflix. If both formats are available for any particular movie or TV series, LG’s OLED TVs will pick the Dolby Vision layer.

The 2016 OLED TVs will have three HDR settings: Standard, Bright, and Vivid. We have spoken to Neil on more than one occasion and one of his points about HDR is that the industry needs to come up with a way to “tone map HDR”.

One solution is to implement a proper tone mapping function to adjust the luminance range of HDR signals. That is what LG has tried to do with the three setting options. However, Neil stressed that the industry still has work to do in regards to tone mapping and peak brightness clipping.”

Sorry I don't agree that LG's 2016 OLED TVs are clipping any of the HDR peak luminance signal. From what I have been told many times is that LG's HDR tone mapping takes the entire 0 to peak lumiinance range and remaps it to the displays capability and since LG's 2016 4K OLED TV have a 20 stop range they can easily fit all of the HDR to their panels contrast ratio range with no clipping.

The fact that LG will select Dolby Vision HDR over SMPTE HDR10 when both are available seems to confirm my understandings. You would think if LG was forced to clip the highlights they would select HDR10.

-Robert

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

snip for brevity by Robert Zohn


Sorry I don't agree that LG's 2016 OLED TVs are clipping any of the HDR peak luminance signal. From what I have been told many times is that LG's HDR tone mapping takes the entire 0 to peak lumiinance range and remaps it to the displays capability and since LG's 2016 4K OLED TV have a 20 stop range they can easily fit all of the HDR to their panels contrast ratio range with no clipping.

The fact that LG will select Dolby Vision HDR over SMPTE HDR10 when both are available seems to confirm my understandings. You would think if LG was forced to clip the highlights they would select HDR10.

-Robert

According to the article, this information came from Neil Robinson, Director, Technology Partnerships at LG Electronics.

[Robert Zohn]

Not sure how to explain how or why my understanding is different than what Neil is apparently saying in Flatpanelshd's interpretation of their interview.

Not sure what's right, but my information comes from reliable sources and seems to be consistent with LG's engineering decision to default to the higher peak luminance Dolby Vision mastering when the easier HDR10 is also available.

Once all of the high-end 2016 models come out we'll be able to compare all of the HDR TVs next to each other on my TV Shootout wall to see if any are clipping or just not displaying HDR properly and even P3 or rec. 2020 color decoding.

Very very exciting times to see the new 4K HDR TV system come to fruition for content and displays!

-Robert

[Deciazulado]

From the HDR and mastering "specs" I've seen, they specify a range of ~15 f-steps or ~33,000:1 So an OLED display only needs to cover such a range from brightest to darkest, so displaying an image from 500 nits to 0.015 nits covers that, which OLEDs can do. It would look similar to watching a 15 f-step image in a 4000 nit to 0.12 nit LCD if an LCD could do that range (Which it can't w/o 'dynamic enhancements').

If your are adapted to each range there wouldn't be much diference, maybe the OLED gamma should be mapped to a very slightly lower number or the LCD to very slightly higher one to compensate the slight difference in luminance perception. Because 4000 nits vs 500 nits is less than the difference of reading a book in full sunlight in your yard and in the shade in your porch.

[Midnight Rambler]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Can I have permission to quote my quote? Love you edit, you actually captured how I feel.

-Robert

Sure.

But I grabbed the animated GIF here ... http://giphy.com/search/that-sounds-dirty

[Mr. Joshua]

When will we know who won the G6 OLED LG is giving away?