LG's new OLED TVs - Page 6 - Blu-ray Forum

ryanmcv · 03-02-2015, 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

I have meetings with LG and Sony tomorrow and I'll find out more about both 2015 lines and post what I learn. It will be a hands on day for me with the 2015 4K line-up from LG and Sony.

-Robert

Sounds great! Can't wait to hear your first impressions of the 2015 OLEDs.

R3P0 · 03-03-2015, 06:11 PM

Only thing I will consider aside from Projection for my new house is going to be OLED to replace my plasmas when they die. I love my plasmas very sad you cannot buy them anymore. So lets see if LG can impress me.

JimShaw · 03-03-2015, 07:10 PM

I have a 64F8500 Samsung plasma. So far the LG 2013 and 2014 55" curved OLED at Best Buy have impressed me and I do not like a curved set.

Can't wait to see what the new 2015 4K flat models produce.

m

Robert Zohn · 03-03-2015, 11:15 PM

I was able to confirm that the DECA processor is strictly for webOS features and does not effect any other function.

LG showed me a final mass production 55EG9600 and as you could easily guess it looks awesome. The 2015 4K OLED's come preloaded with stunning video content exploiting the extreme blacks and ultra high contrast that only OLED can deliver.

Motion was very fluid and smooth and colors were accurate and beautifully saturated. The extra resolution was a nice advantage when viewing very close. It looks like a high dynamic range photograph with a continuous tonal range and no viewable pixel grid even at less than one foot from the screen.

Regardless of what anyone says early April is an optimistic launch with limited supply, but LG promises better availability over the summer. I'm in for a decent allotment from the very first allocations.

I have many ore technical specs coming as the execs I was with today could not answer all of my questions, but they were referred to engineering for answers. So stand by for more info.

2015 is the year of OLED and everyone is in for a real treat!

-Robert

Mike7300 · 03-04-2015, 01:09 AM

Any initial prices on these? As great as it sounds I'm assuming it won't be affordable for a lot of people for a while?

crazyBLUE · 03-04-2015, 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike7300

Any initial prices on these? As great as it sounds I'm assuming it won't be affordable for a lot of people for a while?

You are probably right on that

Robert Zohn · 03-04-2015, 01:27 AM

Mike, UPP on LG's 65EG9600 is $8,999, so the price has dropped by $1k on LG's 2015 4K OLED from the 65EC9700.

I just read a post on AVS Forum restating my post on BD.com just above these three posts. What is being read into my post of supply increasing this summer is that prices will drop. My professional opinion is that they will not drop until LG decides to do so and I do not expect it to be this summer.

This summer's better supply will not be significant. Supply will not be abundant for several years. At this time we have two lines in South Korea producing large 4K OLED panels so a high volume of mass production will take more production lines and as more enthusiasts and high-end consumers purchase 55", 65" and larger OLED displays the supply will not be able to keep up with the expected increased demand.

My take on the pricing is that it will be stable until supply can significantly outpace demand and that's most likely two to three years away. So my best educated guess is that we'll see gradual price reductions and some infrequent LG instant rebate sales for at least the balance of 2015.

One more tidbit of information is that LG is on a mission to shut down transshipping to unauthorized dealers. I can tell you they are aggressively buying OLED TVs from unauthorized retailers to track the s/n and shut down the authorized dealers who resell to unauthorized sellers.

-Robert

raygendreau · 03-04-2015, 02:02 AM

This is the one worth waiting for:

http://www.amazon.com/77EG9900-Flexi.../dp/B00S77CZSS

Robert Zohn · 03-04-2015, 02:23 AM

Can't ^^ agree more.

We've been enjoying our 77EG9700 for about three weeks and this Thursday, march 5th Kevin Miller, David Mackenzie and Mark Henninger are calibrating and evaluating our 77" 4K OLED store demo.

I'll report back.

-Robert

vinnie97 · 03-04-2015, 02:33 AM

Isn't it just a matter of factory utilization plus yields that is keeping LG from pricing more competitively? It wasn't long ago that LG themselves forecast a sell-through of 600,000 OLEDs (both through CEM partners and end users of LG products) for 2015. From the impression you have, Robert, it sounds like we'll be lucky if they sell through 1/6th of that. I sincerely hope that 77" settles down at no more than $10k before another 3 years...

Robert Zohn · 03-04-2015, 02:44 AM

Hopefully LG can actually build 600k large OLED panels for worldwide sales of all sizes of OLED TVs is still far less than the forecasted demand. I don't expect supply to exceed demand until late 2016.

-Robert

raygendreau · 03-04-2015, 02:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Can't ^^ agree more.

We've been enjoying our 77EG9700 for about three weeks and this Thursday, march 5th Kevin Miller, David Mackenzie and Mark Henninger are calibrating and evaluating our 77" 4K OLED store demo.

I'll report back.

-Robert

I read that the European version of the 77EG9900 is selling in the
Scandinavian countries for around U.S. $30,000+ now. Per that video, they plan to offer it in the U.S. in 2015. I wonder what the price will be?

I also read that the OLED's top out at 800 nits. That should be more than adequate for HDR given the absolute black level attained by OLED. Any thoughts on that?

Robert Zohn · 03-04-2015, 03:00 AM

LG has not announced the USA price for the 77EG9900 but $30k is likely a good estimate.

Yes 800 nits peak luminance is fine for HDR when you have 0 nits MLL. In fact, I expect it to produce the best HDR image.

-Robert

JimShaw · 03-04-2015, 03:27 AM

Robert

Thanks for the update

I am getting excited.

m

vinnie97 · 03-04-2015, 04:00 AM

Yea, that flexible apparatus will certainly add to the cost. I think I'd be okay with "settling" on the curved model of the same size.

raygendreau · 03-04-2015, 04:38 AM

I'm not sure how valid the Danish pricing on the 2015 LG OLEDs are but interesting :

http://www.oled-info.com/danish-site...-tv-price-list

Also, where to buy: http://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-65EC9700-oled-tv

Owner's manual for the LG 65EC9700: http://images.crutchfieldonline.com/...68965E9700.PDF

http://wwv.crutchfield.com/S-TyvdI0w...0.html?tp=9201

vinnie97 · 03-04-2015, 07:55 AM

The 65EC9700 is technically a 2014 model...

Tekka · 03-04-2015, 11:15 AM

What sort of prices are we looking at for LG's 2015 4k OLEDs?

5150z · 03-04-2015, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tekka

What sort of prices are we looking at for LG's 2015 4k OLEDs?

77" $25K -$30K
65" $9K (with build in soundbar)
65" $8K
55" $5K

Curved vs. Flat of the same size vary in price by $500 to $1,000...

These are ballpark figures, so don't quote this please.

raygendreau · 03-04-2015, 05:18 PM

Competition from Samsung is probably 2 years away. If LG doesn't get too greedy with their pricing, they could achieve a high level of market penetration by then. Their lock on WRGB will help.

Re 2015 prices leaked: http://www.cnet.com/news/lgs-2015-4k...retailer-leak/

03-04-2015, 04:38 AM	#116
raygendreau Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Oct 2008 Blu-ray reviews: 1	I'm not sure how valid the Danish pricing on the 2015 LG OLEDs are but interesting : http://www.oled-info.com/danish-site...-tv-price-list Also, where to buy: http://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-65EC9700-oled-tv Owner's manual for the LG 65EC9700: http://images.crutchfieldonline.com/...68965E9700.PDF http://wwv.crutchfield.com/S-TyvdI0w...0.html?tp=9201 Last edited by raygendreau; 03-04-2015 at 05:51 AM.

03-04-2015, 05:18 PM	#120
raygendreau Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Oct 2008 Blu-ray reviews: 1	Competition from Samsung is probably 2 years away. If LG doesn't get too greedy with their pricing, they could achieve a high level of market penetration by then. Their lock on WRGB will help. Re 2015 prices leaked: http://www.cnet.com/news/lgs-2015-4k...retailer-leak/ Last edited by raygendreau; 03-04-2015 at 05:22 PM.

03-03-2015, 06:11 PM	#102
R3P0 Blu-ray Duke Member since:Jun 2008 Blu-ray collection:46 Trading Score:1	Only thing I will consider aside from Projection for my new house is going to be OLED to replace my plasmas when they die. I love my plasmas very sad you cannot buy them anymore. So lets see if LG can impress me.

03-03-2015, 07:10 PM	#103
JimShaw Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jul 2008 Location:Menifee, CA 4K collection:49 Blu-ray collection:1069 Trading Score:141	I have a 64F8500 Samsung plasma. So far the LG 2013 and 2014 55" curved OLED at Best Buy have impressed me and I do not like a curved set. Can't wait to see what the new 2015 4K flat models produce. m

03-03-2015, 11:15 PM	#104
Robert Zohn Retailer Insider Member since:Nov 2009 Location:Scarsdale, NY Trading Score:2	I was able to confirm that the DECA processor is strictly for webOS features and does not effect any other function. LG showed me a final mass production 55EG9600 and as you could easily guess it looks awesome. The 2015 4K OLED's come preloaded with stunning video content exploiting the extreme blacks and ultra high contrast that only OLED can deliver. Motion was very fluid and smooth and colors were accurate and beautifully saturated. The extra resolution was a nice advantage when viewing very close. It looks like a high dynamic range photograph with a continuous tonal range and no viewable pixel grid even at less than one foot from the screen. Regardless of what anyone says early April is an optimistic launch with limited supply, but LG promises better availability over the summer. I'm in for a decent allotment from the very first allocations. I have many ore technical specs coming as the execs I was with today could not answer all of my questions, but they were referred to engineering for answers. So stand by for more info. 2015 is the year of OLED and everyone is in for a real treat! -Robert

03-04-2015, 01:09 AM	#105
Mike7300 Active Member Member since:Sep 2008	Any initial prices on these? As great as it sounds I'm assuming it won't be affordable for a lot of people for a while?

03-04-2015, 01:27 AM	#107
Robert Zohn Retailer Insider Member since:Nov 2009 Location:Scarsdale, NY Trading Score:2	Mike, UPP on LG's 65EG9600 is $8,999, so the price has dropped by $1k on LG's 2015 4K OLED from the 65EC9700. I just read a post on AVS Forum restating my post on BD.com just above these three posts. What is being read into my post of supply increasing this summer is that prices will drop. My professional opinion is that they will not drop until LG decides to do so and I do not expect it to be this summer. This summer's better supply will not be significant. Supply will not be abundant for several years. At this time we have two lines in South Korea producing large 4K OLED panels so a high volume of mass production will take more production lines and as more enthusiasts and high-end consumers purchase 55", 65" and larger OLED displays the supply will not be able to keep up with the expected increased demand. My take on the pricing is that it will be stable until supply can significantly outpace demand and that's most likely two to three years away. So my best educated guess is that we'll see gradual price reductions and some infrequent LG instant rebate sales for at least the balance of 2015. One more tidbit of information is that LG is on a mission to shut down transshipping to unauthorized dealers. I can tell you they are aggressively buying OLED TVs from unauthorized retailers to track the s/n and shut down the authorized dealers who resell to unauthorized sellers. -Robert

03-04-2015, 02:02 AM	#108
raygendreau Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Oct 2008 Blu-ray reviews: 1	This is the one worth waiting for: http://www.amazon.com/77EG9900-Flexi.../dp/B00S77CZSS

03-04-2015, 02:23 AM	#109
Robert Zohn Retailer Insider Member since:Nov 2009 Location:Scarsdale, NY Trading Score:2	Can't ^^ agree more. We've been enjoying our 77EG9700 for about three weeks and this Thursday, march 5th Kevin Miller, David Mackenzie and Mark Henninger are calibrating and evaluating our 77" 4K OLED store demo. I'll report back. -Robert

03-04-2015, 02:33 AM	#110
vinnie97 Special Member Member since:Nov 2014 Location:USA Trading Score:1	Isn't it just a matter of factory utilization plus yields that is keeping LG from pricing more competitively? It wasn't long ago that LG themselves forecast a sell-through of 600,000 OLEDs (both through CEM partners and end users of LG products) for 2015. From the impression you have, Robert, it sounds like we'll be lucky if they sell through 1/6th of that. I sincerely hope that 77" settles down at no more than $10k before another 3 years...

03-04-2015, 02:44 AM	#111
Robert Zohn Retailer Insider Member since:Nov 2009 Location:Scarsdale, NY Trading Score:2	Hopefully LG can actually build 600k large OLED panels for worldwide sales of all sizes of OLED TVs is still far less than the forecasted demand. I don't expect supply to exceed demand until late 2016. -Robert

03-04-2015, 03:00 AM	#113
Robert Zohn Retailer Insider Member since:Nov 2009 Location:Scarsdale, NY Trading Score:2	LG has not announced the USA price for the 77EG9900 but $30k is likely a good estimate. Yes 800 nits peak luminance is fine for HDR when you have 0 nits MLL. In fact, I expect it to produce the best HDR image. -Robert

03-04-2015, 03:27 AM	#114
JimShaw Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jul 2008 Location:Menifee, CA 4K collection:49 Blu-ray collection:1069 Trading Score:141	Robert Thanks for the update I am getting excited. m

03-04-2015, 04:00 AM	#115
vinnie97 Special Member Member since:Nov 2014 Location:USA Trading Score:1	Yea, that flexible apparatus will certainly add to the cost. I think I'd be okay with "settling" on the curved model of the same size.

03-04-2015, 07:55 AM	#117
vinnie97 Special Member Member since:Nov 2014 Location:USA Trading Score:1	The 65EC9700 is technically a 2014 model...

03-04-2015, 11:15 AM	#118
Tekka Senior Member Member since:Apr 2013 Location:Jacksonville, Florida Blu-ray collection:300 DVD collection:11	What sort of prices are we looking at for LG's 2015 4k OLEDs?

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