LG's new OLED TVs

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

(1) HDR Standard has color gamut in Normal and not Wide...Is that a mistake by LG to not set deafult color gamut on Wide?

(2) I noticed that Wide color gamut in 3D mode looks accurate, without color overblow...Is 3D supposed to utilize Wide color gamut properly as opposed to 2D?

I have UHDs with HDR/2020 and with SDR/709 (and at least one of these at 60fps). There might be some discs made at some point with HDR/709 or SDR/2020? So maybe Normal is left as a default. Or. I think last time switching from UHD HDR mode to BD ISF mode color gamut remained in Wide and I had to switch it to Normal. So maybe when jumping modes that setting is independent.

About why wide in 3-D looks "more accurate" to you, I think I replied to a very similar question you did about this.

If you're watching a BD in "Wide" you're watching it in P3, I estimate P3 is about ~12% more saturated than 709 on average so maybe the combination of polarizers glasses dimming and your chroma adjustment setting makes it look better to you with wide... or that answer before.

[RockyIII]

So maybe when jumping modes that setting is independent.


I resetted HDR Standard mode back to default settings and the original default settings (before ever switching back to ISF mode) has Normal Color Gamut. Was that a mistake on behalf or LG or I wonder if they meant for HDR Standard to be viewed in normal color gamut

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

If you're watching a BD in "Wide" you're watching it in P3, I estimate P3 is about ~12% more saturated than 709 on average so maybe the combination of polarizers glasses dimming and your chroma adjustment setting makes it look better to you with wide... or that answer before.

It cannot be my personal preference for overblown colors because when I do the same (applying WCG to 2D) I dont get the same "natural" look.
My theory is that the glasses in 3D mode tend to dim the picture and thus make colors appear little more dull, therefore forcing wide color gamut counters that, giving the impression of more vibrant-richer colors without overblowing them either...

By the way, 3D Bright Room mode is set on Wide Color Gamut as default

[PRO-630HD]

You shouldn't have to sacrifice washed out colors and decreased blacks to get 3D to look good. 3D shouldn't look monochromatic and quite a few titles do while their 2D counterparts are richly saturated with deep blacks. This is a big advantage of having the 3D and 2D versions on the same disc as those transfers are the same, many are not!

Oz: The Great and Powerful
X-Men: DAFP
The Wolverine
Man of Steel
Exodus: Gods and Kings
G.I. Joe: Retaliation
Dawn of the Planet of the Apes
300: Rise of an Empire
Jurassic World
All of these titles have desaturated colors and decreased black levels. Simply putting these discs into your player and putting them in 2D mode will show this and eliminate the glasses issue when comparing the differing masters the 3D versions are using. The key here is matching the colors on the 2D disc to the 3D disc. I have the color on my 3D ISF bright room bumped up to match. Normal settings in 3D ISF dark

[PRO-630HD]

Rocky, I don't disagree with your assessment to use wide for 3D.

I do not use it as all 3D blurays using the Rec.709 color gamut so I use normal. Now the problem is many 3D blurays have greatly desaturated colors on the 3D version compared the 2D version.

My 3D settings are identical to my 2D settings. My color is normally set at 55. For the above titles I use color set at 80 to closely match the saturation on the 2D version and it still isn't as saturated. This is also due to the fact the gamma levels aren't as deep as the 2D versions. Put the 3d version of the disc in and change it to 2D mode on your OLED to cancel out the glasses equation. Now put in the 2D disc at the same frame to see the 3D version is an entirely different transfer.

I Use ISF dark for normal color and ISF bright for more saturated color. If I could only use 1 mode I probably would set color to 55 and gamut to wide.

I will caution that unless using a setting of 0 for dejudder noticeable artifacting will occur. Even a setting of 1 will cause this and it is far more noticeable in 3D!

[PRO-630HD]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

So maybe when jumping modes that setting is independent.


I resetted HDR Standard mode back to default settings and the original default settings (before ever switching back to ISF mode) has Normal Color Gamut. Was that a mistake on behalf or LG or I wonder if they meant for HDR Standard to be viewed in normal color gamut

Just because it is a default mode doesn't mean you can't change it. Don't take those settings as absolutes as many do. HDR is in Rec.2020 and wide is the mode that should be used period! HDR has to use WCG, you won't see HDR using Rec.709 because it isn't in the specs.

[JustThatPenguin]

Ahhh, the prices are right on my budget right now. Debating if I should jump on it, or wait till the holidays. $4k for the 65" C6 is exactly what I was waiting for.

[crazyBLUE]

Originally Posted by JustThatPenguin

Ahhh, the prices are right on my budget right now. Debating if I should jump on it, or wait till the holidays. $4k for the 65" C6 is exactly what I was waiting for.

Just wait ~ They will come out with something new by then

[JustThatPenguin]

Originally Posted by crazyBLUE

Just wait ~ They will come out with something new by then

I told the Mrs. that it hit the agreed upon price, and her first words were, "christmas is around the corner"...

I know prices drop significantly once the 2017s are announced at CES. Now I have to figure out whether I can wait or not...

If the E6 had hit this price, I would of been sold already. lol

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by PRO-630HD

Rocky, I don't disagree with your assessment to use wide for 3D.

I do not use it as all 3D blurays using the Rec.709 color gamut so I use normal. Now the problem is many 3D blurays have greatly desaturated colors on the 3D version compared the 2D version.

My 3D settings are identical to my 2D settings. My color is normally set at 55. For the above titles I use color set at 80 to closely match the saturation on the 2D version and it still isn't as saturated. This is also due to the fact the gamma levels aren't as deep as the 2D versions. Put the 3d version of the disc in and change it to 2D mode on your OLED to cancel out the glasses equation. Now put in the 2D disc at the same frame to see the 3D version is an entirely different transfer.

I Use ISF dark for normal color and ISF bright for more saturated color. If I could only use 1 mode I probably would set color to 55 and gamut to wide.

I will caution that unless using a setting of 0 for dejudder noticeable artifacting will occur. Even a setting of 1 will cause this and it is far more noticeable in 3D!

I use 3D Bright Room mode with WCG and color at 50. For some reason 3D Dark Room mode find the image too much for my taste

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[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by PRO-630HD

Just because it is a default mode doesn't mean you can't change it. Don't take those settings as absolutes as many do. HDR is in Rec.2020 and wide is the mode that should be used period! HDR has to use WCG, you won't see HDR using Rec.709 because it isn't in the specs.

Yes I settled for HER Standard in WCG

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[punisher]

Originally Posted by JustThatPenguin

I told the Mrs. that it hit the agreed upon price, and her first words were, "christmas is around the corner"...

I know prices drop significantly once the 2017s are announced at CES. Now I have to figure out whether I can wait or not...

If the E6 had hit this price, I would of been sold already. lol

smart woman..you should listen to what she said.

[zubinh]

Yup the price is right now but there's no sense of urgency. I want the OLED to rent 4k Blu Rays or 4k movies on Vudu. Neither of which can be done at a reasonable price right now, so I'll wait till at least Black Friday.

If Netflix's DVD.com service starts renting out 4k Blu Rays, that would be the deciding factor for me.

[RockyIII]

I need your cooperation here from any of you with either the C or B model.
Go to Standard Mode and make the following adjustments:
Oled Light: 100
Contrast: 67
Brightness: 48
Sharpness: 0-10 (your choice here)
Color: 50
Tint: 0
Color Temp: W40
Gamut: High2

Once you do that watch any content that you know usually displays compression artifacts near black, posterization, and color gradation issueS, and tell me what you think of it

[Deciazulado]

According to my WOW disc I'm seeing down to 0.5% "IRE" (Need to turn lights off for that) and haven't seen any posterization on my discs. Have any in particular?

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

According to my WOW disc I'm seeing down to 0.5% "IRE" (Need to turn lights off for that) and haven't seen any posterization on my discs. Have any in particular?

I feel like the above "basic" picture settings (uncalibrated display) are a perfect medium between being able to hide bad posterization in near-black or dark areas and keeping details in dark areas visible.

A good example is the show Agent Carter. I have that show both in bluray and on VuDu, and they both show the same posterization issues in the same scenes. A most evident one is in the opening of every episode, when the AGENT CARTER logo appears (the same I am using now as my avatar).
The logo consists of different shades from black (outer side of the screen to green or whatever color the logo is). In regular settings I can see really bad color gradation and the transition from one shade to the next is not smooth at all (pixel lines between shades easily identifiable).
With these new settings the "circles" are not identifiable and all you see is the black screen smoothly transitioning into the full-colored logo in the middle of the screen

[RockyIII]

This is pissing me off...I am noticing frequent crosstalk when watching 3D...I played Jurassic World, Guardians of the Galaxy, and Avengers:AOU and in all of them I noticed crosstalk in either objects in the background or objects right in front of the camera...Grrrrrrrr!!!!!

[punisher]

3D is always an issue, especially for passive sets. My Panny Plasma has active and it is much better, not great or as good as it could be, but that's 3D tv for ya.

[PRO-630HD]

Originally Posted by punisher

3D is always an issue, especially for passive sets. My Panny Plasma has active and it is much better, not great or as good as it could be, but that's 3D tv for ya.

I rarely have ever noticed any crosstalk except for the white on black issues as stated in prior posts. This set is definitely better than my VT60 for crosstalk no debate. The bright whites overlapping the blacks such as a tuxedo is where you will see it. Usually crosstalk is far more prone to older 50-80's 3D due to the wider separation.

As we can see active 3D is dying very quickly and there is no need for them with 4K and they usually are more prone to crosstalk than passive sets. http://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/3d-tv...-vs-passive-3d

[PRO-630HD]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

This is pissing me off...I am noticing frequent crosstalk when watching 3D...I played Jurassic World, Guardians of the Galaxy, and Avengers:AOU and in all of them I noticed crosstalk in either objects in the background or objects right in front of the camera...Grrrrrrrr!!!!!

I have all of those. I just watched Jurrasic World, loved it. Didn't notice any crosstalk at all. Give me the timestamps on when these issues occur and I will check for them. I am wondering if it is not your settings causing the issue. Also you are looking straight on the television right. Watching at an angle above or below it will make the crosstalk very noticeable. Simply stand up from your seat while watching a film and you will notice this.