LG's new OLED TVs

[punisher]

Originally Posted by crazyBLUE

I have always been reading this thread & are you connected with LG in someway because you really seem like a Troll not for them at all; Just my opinion by the way you post as a constant in this thread

+1......

and other threads too. I had him on my ignore list but recently took him off just to see what he is still up to.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by punisher

+1......

and other threads too. I had him on my ignore list but recently took him off just to see what he is still up to.

I am many things, but a troll I am not. I owned a Vizio D, then moved on to Oled 9100, and now Oled C6. I also owned a Vivitek and Optoma projectors which I resently sold to get the new Sony VPL45. This is my one and only hobby, and not a cheap one either, so I am always either in a state of excitement when things go great or in a state of concern when things dont go so well.
I only post when I am at work, and I am sorry if my posting bothers you...But I do appreciate you taking me off your IGNORE list

[PRO-630HD]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

I noticed that most of the crosstalk does not occur with background objects but more precisely with anything located in the top area of the screen and nowhere else. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-J320A using Tapatalk

That comment right there sounds like the TV is too high from your viewing position. If you have to look up at the screen during viewing that will easily cause crosstalk and multiple reviews have mentioned this. Your eyes need to be level with the screen during viewing.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by PRO-630HD

That comment right there sounds like the TV is too high from your viewing position. If you have to look up at the screen during viewing that will easily cause crosstalk and multiple reviews have mentioned this. Your eyes need to be level with the screen during viewing.

Thank you. I will try to look at screen from the same distance but standing up so that I am perfectly level with screen.
This really sucks because last night we wanted to watch Everest 3D and even the wife-who's no expert-after a while said that this was looking "too weird too often".
What do you make of the fact that I was able to make crosstalk disappear when putting scene on pause and adjust 3D depth and 3D viewpoint? Could the problem be just a matter of finding the right 3D manual setup?

[PRO-630HD]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Thank you. I will try to look at screen from the same distance but standing up so that I am perfectly level with screen.
This really sucks because last night we wanted to watch Everest 3D and even the wife-who's no expert-after a while said that this was looking "too weird too often".
What do you make of the fact that I was able to make crosstalk disappear when putting scene on pause and adjust 3D depth and 3D viewpoint? Could the problem be just a matter of finding the right 3D manual setup?

For starters Rocky I replicated your problem with crosstalk using the Jurassic World scene in chap. 5. My set is sitting on a glass table and I sit on my couch. Now sitting on my floor I can clearly see the crosstalk you are talking about. Standing up I can see crosstalk on the bottom of the screen. Either lower your TV or raise your seating position. One option might be if it is wall mounted angle the TV down toward your viewing position.

The problem easily could be finding the right manual settings. I use a depth of 8 and actually increase the 3D effect and checked for crosstalk while experimenting with the settings. On auto crosstalk is rarely ever seen especially on recent titles. The problem is on some titles the 3D is barely noticeable so I changed the depth to improve that. That said I don't think your issue is crosstalk it is viewing angle.

If you sit directly in front of the TV the 3D effect is actually very good and crosstalk is close to being eliminated. However, as soon as you move away from the sweet spot (horizontally and vertically) the 3D effect starts to fade out. It can seem a little ironic that we witness the best 3D picture quality in a time where the TV manufacturers are collectively phasing out 3D technology. Still, with the narrow sweet spot for 3D the practical usefulness of 3D is still be debatable.

Read more at http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.p...5d61h6AGrtr.99

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by PRO-630HD

For starters Rocky I replicated your problem with crosstalk using the Jurassic World scene in chap. 5. My set is sitting on a glass table and I sit on my couch. Now sitting on my floor I can clearly see the crosstalk you are talking about. Standing up I can see crosstalk on the bottom of the screen. Either lower your TV or raise your seating position. One option might be if it is wall mounted angle the TV down toward your viewing position.

The problem easily could be finding the right manual settings. I use a depth of 8 and actually increase the 3D effect and checked for crosstalk while experimenting with the settings. On auto crosstalk is rarely ever seen especially on recent titles. The problem is on some titles the 3D is barely noticeable so I changed the depth to improve that. That said I don't think your issue is crosstalk it is viewing angle.

If you sit directly in front of the TV the 3D effect is actually very good and crosstalk is close to being eliminated. However, as soon as you move away from the sweet spot (horizontally and vertically) the 3D effect starts to fade out. It can seem a little ironic that we witness the best 3D picture quality in a time where the TV manufacturers are collectively phasing out 3D technology. Still, with the narrow sweet spot for 3D the practical usefulness of 3D is still be debatable.

Read more at http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.p...5d61h6AGrtr.99

I think you would be right, if it wasnt for the fact that I come from a 9100 model which was mounted at the same height as this one.
I tried some of the same titles (Everest comes to mind) that I first watched on the 9100 and never experienced this issue.
I will try to get level with the height of the screen, but I have little hope. Especially considering that playing around with 3D Depth and Viewpoint did get rid of crosstalk when I would pause the movie in those scenes...But like you said, if 3D Auto mode doesnt work than no tweaking of manual settings will

[PRO-630HD]

Using Auto on 3D can make crosstalk worse but usually on older 3D titles from the 50's-80's. They didn't play around with 3D back then and it was very noticeable. They had to get people out of their house away from their TV's.

I would recommend contacting LG so they can look at it. They may replace the panel.

[crazyBLUE]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

Well they do on the units I've seen. So you should check your unit and not make generalizations.

And, since glasses are cheap you could try others. But .you. should. test/check . your . TV . since somehow . you're. the . only . person, that's. having . multiple threads . and posts . about . how . much . your .OLED. posterizes. changes gamut . and 3D sucks.


Also: Another thing is:

In 3-D let's say you have 3 planes: near , screen position, and far. So if you have a pitchfork on front of the screen, a person on the screen and the moon far behind in the sky behind the screen, if your eyes converge on the pitchfork the person will be a little separated (and double) and the moon will definitively look double, viceversa if you eyes converge on the moon , the person will be slightly double and the pitchfork will be doubled in the front. Till your eyes converge back on it. That's how 3-D viewing works in real life . Just put your finger to your nose and look at the wall you'll see 2 fingers. Hope people don't confuse that with crosstalk. (In real life this is happening all the time but your brain ignores it as it's used to it, but on a TV, altho the "3D" convergences are displaced left to right depending on the filmic distance, they are all really happening in the same plane (the screen on your TV 9 feet in front of you) where your eye lens is focused, not 1 feet in front of you, or 30,000 miles into outer space, so this is not natural and your brain then notices something is not normal and might notice the doublings more, since you're staring intently at a fixed screen instead of walking around in real life, living, and , mmmm, are probably watching and evaluating every little detail and defect of the disc transfer/TV performance/movie.

And you also say that the foreground details and the background details look blurry. That's physically impossible to be caused by an error/defect of the 3Dpolarisation emmission. Blurry as in out of focus? The polarization doesn't defocus the 3D images just dims it for the pixels that are not supposed to be seen (or not-dims them if it's not working properly, causing true crosstalk) But changing the focus of the image, the pixels that are being written on the TV panel? Nah.
Either the out of focusness is part of the movie's photography, or the eyes are going out of focus when trying to converge near or farther than the TV set really is. (Which is what the eyes does in real life when it looks at a near object: focuses near and crosses (converges) the eyes inwards. For far away objects it focuses far towards infinity and uncrosses the eyes outwards to parallel:

near :x pitchfork , far := moon

I find it funny that he will respond to you & others & not me

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

I ran the rabbit test and the panel passed the test from what I could estimate.

That's good news because if it passed the rabbit test then the panel should be good.

Originally Posted by RockyIII

I noticed that most of the crosstalk does not occur with background objects but more precisely with anything located in the top area of the screen and nowhere else.

Originally Posted by PRO-630HD

That comment right there sounds like the TV is too high from your viewing position. If you have to look up at the screen during viewing that will easily cause crosstalk and multiple reviews have mentioned this. Your eyes need to be level with the screen during viewing.

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Thank you. I will try to look at screen from the same distance but standing up so that I am perfectly level with screen.

If you have to stand up to be level with the screen your screen is too high for 3D maybe by a feet or two. You have to tilt it down so the center is pointing at your eyes/head on your sitting/viewing position:

Originally Posted by PRO-630HD

For starters Rocky I replicated your problem with crosstalk using the Jurassic World scene in chap. 5. My set is sitting on a glass table and I sit on my couch. Now sitting on my floor I can clearly see the crosstalk you are talking about. Standing up I can see crosstalk on the bottom of the screen. Either lower your TV or raise your seating position. One option might be if it is wall mounted angle the TV down toward your viewing position.

I don't think your issue is crosstalk it is viewing angle.

If you sit directly in front of the TV the 3D effect is actually very good and crosstalk is close to being eliminated. However, as soon as you move away from the sweet spot (horizontally and vertically) the 3D effect starts to fade out. It can seem a little ironic that we witness the best 3D picture quality in a time where the TV manufacturers are collectively phasing out 3D technology. Still, with the narrow sweet spot for 3D the practical usefulness of 3D is still be debatable.

Read more at http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.p...5d61h6AGrtr.99

Originally Posted by RockyIII

I think you would be right, if it wasnt for the fact that I come from a 9100 model which was mounted at the same height as this one.

But your CP is not the same model as the 9100. The 9100 is a 1080p TV, this is a 2160p TV, the lines of polarizations are half as thin so you get double the resolution so the angle of cancellation is narrower so you have to be more precise in the TV placement in relation to you.


You have to optimize the viewing position/TV placement so your linesight is perpendicular to the TV's vertical angle:

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This is more critical with 4K TVs.

This:

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or worse, this

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won't work optimally at all and has to be:

optimal3d-tilt.jpg

Originally Posted by RockyIII

I did not have much time to test 3d manual controls but I pressed pause on a couple of scenes with crosstalk and by adjusting depth and viewpoint I was able to properly align the areas that had issues.
I did not have time to keep playing the movie to test whether those adjustments only fixed those individual scenes or the whole issue altogether

Originally Posted by RockyIII

What do you make of the fact that I was able to make crosstalk disappear when putting scene on pause and adjust 3D depth and 3D viewpoint? Could the problem be just a matter of finding the right 3D manual setup?

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-J320A using Tapatalk

No, those controls are for 3D depth and viewpoint, 3D, or stereoscopy, works by horizontal displacement of the image and viewing angle and those controls are to control the horizontal. (You control the vertical. seating. ) (These controls are more to adjust discrepancies in screen size, viewing distance and 3D photography to possibly make (3D) viewing more comfortable/optimal. For example movie screens are 30 feet tall and people watch them at 60 feet so if the 3D photography was optimized for that and you watch on a 30 inch tall screen at 60 inches (or 120 inches) away it might impact the depth perception

When moving the controls, might make you think you're fixing the vertical sitting crosstalk (double images) because you might be moving them to the same "place" horizontally, stacking then up on top of each other sidewise, thinking you've eliminated crosstalk , but what you've done is make that "Mono" instead of "stereo" but that then can displace other parts of the screen apart.
So you have to correct the tilt/vertical viewing angle first so the polarization cancellation is at its maximum perpendicular towards you.

[PRO-630HD]

Great post!

[RockyIII]

First of all I want to thank you guys for taking the time to help with my panel. I know many confuse my OCD with just being a troll (you know who you are, crazyBlue �� )
Yesterday evening after work I kept fiddling around with 3D using the titles Everest, Guardians, Jurassic World. I ultimately noticed that Auto works the same as 3d depth 10 and 3d viewpoint 0 and that is really the most accurate settings and not really what was causing the issue.
I noticed that throughout the movie the picture would misalign and then realign occassionally,and when it did misalign that is when some objects would appear off. I could actually see the left and right vertical borders of the picture splitting/crossing while this occured and after a few seconds readjust to normal.
Now, that led me to believe I have a faulty panel, if it wasn't that after dinner the wife wanted to watch the Hobbit 3D and that played flawless all throughout. No crosstalk, beautiful 3d with occasional decent pop-ups, and vertical edges of the screen remained aligned all throughout
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-J320A using Tapatalk

[MD-Blu]

After doing research for OLED's I've came to a decision, this one below.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/lg-55-cl...&skuId=5252800

My question is, when will the price be some lower, Black Friday or sooner?

[Robert Zohn]

Prices on all TVs are fluid. Black Friday is typically for mid to lower priced TV sales and you selected an excellent premium product.

Dealers are not permitted to disclosed the manufacturers road map, but it's always good to buy from an authorized dealer who has a price protection policy. We now offer 30 days price protection.

[MD-Blu]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Prices on all TVs are fluid. Black Friday is typically for mid to lower priced TV sales and you selected an excellent premium product.

Dealers are not permitted to disclosed the manufacturers road map, but it's always good to buy from an authorized dealer who has a price protection policy. We now offer 30 days price protection.

So you're saying/thinking that the OLED 4K TV that I want will probably not go down in price for Black Friday correct?

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by MD-Blu

So you're saying/thinking that the OLED 4K TV that I want will probably not go down in price for Black Friday correct?

Off-topic, but is your avatar from DC Legends of Tomorrow?

[MD-Blu]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Off-topic, but is your avatar from DC Legends of Tomorrow?

LOT, Supergirl, The Flash and Arrow.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by MD-Blu

LOT, Supergirl, The Flash and Arrow.

I have season 1 on pre-order in bluray format. Never watched it when it first aired...This will look awesome on Oled screen

[Robert Zohn]

Originally Posted by MD-Blu

So you're saying/thinking that the OLED 4K TV that I want will probably not go down in price for Black Friday correct?

LG gives us a one month peak into the future promotions so I don't know what they will do for Black Friday, which is the end of November.

[JustThatPenguin]

Originally Posted by MD-Blu

After doing research for OLED's I've came to a decision, this one below.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/lg-55-cl...&skuId=5252800

My question is, when will the price be some lower, Black Friday or sooner?

I am kinda kicking myself for not buying the 65inch c6 when it was $4k last week. I see its back up to 5k now. I am hoping for a price drop around the holidays.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by JustThatPenguin

I am kinda kicking myself for not buying the 65inch c6 when it was $4k last week. I see its back up to 5k now. I am hoping for a price drop around the holidays.

If all fails, this is a nice alternative