4K Movies Releases

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Penton man, I suppose I will have to see what happens with HFR. My first instinct is that I won't like it regardless of improvements etc.. I have no issue at all watching football in HD as it stands. Blur is just natural to me and I don't really notice it.

That’s because you’ve been conditioned over the years to accept the deficiency as ‘natural’, similarly to how people have been conditioned to not expect the ability to see the skirting under the table with LDR, as opposed to HDR –

HDR video: 16 f-stops is NOT enough - YouTube

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Blu Titan

I immediately would have called b.s. on the female claim. And, I am sure Penton still remembers mystiksuicide....

Geez, don’t remind me how gullible I am…. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...on#post1110029

Had I put that genUine black leather jacket up on ebay, I probably could have gotten about $150. for it as it was quite stylish as well as being embroidered with the official Blu-ray trademark, which, back in the day, was when Blu-ray was considered a unique techno-wonder rather than more mainstream and ho-hum like it is today.

You just couldn’t buy one of those jackets in a retail store. They were handed out at the time more like gifts to those in Blu-ray affiliated companies and I handed one out for nuthin…not to mention I personally paid for the postal service charges to *her* for shipment to the Miami area.

She didn’t even post one camera phone pic on this forum of herself just wearing the dang jacket and strolling around someplace like South Beach….much less modeling it in a sexy photo shoot.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I am far from alone in my dislike of HFR. Not too many people took to it If reports are to be believed.

Just so everyone reading is on the same page here as far as definition and nomenclature, when I mention HFR as it relates to UHD tv, I’m referring to frame rate acquisition (camera) and its display equal to, or greater than, 100 fps (ideally 140 fps for untracked motion, much greater for tracked motion). When I mention HFR as it relates to cinematic content, I’m referring to frame rate acquisition (camera) and its display being greater than simply the traditional 24 fps.

I think the movement for HFR as it relates to cinema has taken a recent respite because the producers of Hobbit 2 (again) didn’t make an HFR version in 2D available to the movie-going public to vote yea or nay as to its value and additionally, Jim Cameron’s recent remarks are not very encouraging for HFR affectionados….https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ar#post8536185 < because if that reporting is true, that is a definite step-back in Jim’s evangelism for HFR.

In fact, the only thing notable which I can think of in terms of progress with HFR and cinema is that Hobbit 2 was distributed as an SMPTE DCP rather than the more typical interop. But that’s only of real interest to professionals involved in D-Cinema. I think it’s going to take awhile for the general public to be accepting of the HFR look for cinema (maybe even a whole movie-watcher generation of time) but, I hope mixed reviews with initial experiments like that of Hobbit 1 and 2 doesn’t stop progress with regards to the higher frame rate endeavor. At the very minimum, I think right now the appearance will definitely benefit documentaries, especially travelogues.

Storytelling drama….more time before we can all deem it a failure.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by slickkeng

Thanks for the welcome and the links - glad to see hdmi 2.0 is up to the task. I hope the BDA is seriously considering implementing the majority of the emerging technologies discussed.

Well, don’t get the false impression that HDMI 2.0 is like Leon the Professional and can handle…

Leon the Professional - EVERYONE - YouTube

of dem emerging technologies. For instance, it’s incapable of transporting 12-bit or 10-bit 4K HFR (greater than 60 Hz), not to mention can't do a videophile’s PQ nirvana of 4K 12-bit 4:4:4 at even a standard frame rate of 60.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Geez, don’t remind me how gullible I am…. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...on#post1110029

Had I put that genUine black leather jacket up on ebay, I probably could have gotten about $150. for it as it was quite stylish as well as being embroidered with the official Blu-ray trademark, which, back in the day, was when Blu-ray was considered a unique techno-wonder rather than more mainstream and ho-hum like it is today.

You just couldn’t buy one of those jackets in a retail store. They were handed out at the time more like gifts to those in Blu-ray affiliated companies and I handed one out for nuthin…not to mention I personally paid for the postal service charges to *her* for shipment to the Miami area.

She didn’t even post one camera phone pic on this forum of herself just wearing the dang jacket and strolling around someplace like South Beach….much less modeling it in a sexy photo shoot.

Wow, I had no idea! That is extreme lol.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Wow, I had no idea! That is extreme lol.

Well, I just hope that ‘Towergrove’ is a female (aka Sarah ), for if not, while enlightening her as to the complexity of DCP encryption keys, I made a fool of myself by serenading her with ‘Sara’ by Fleetwood Mac, which I see has since been pulled by Youtube, probably because of some copyright violation…….https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...&postcount=719

And what about ‘Blu-ray girl fan’ (just above (#64) the Skyfall post -
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ll#post7700024

is/was she really a girl or is that some play on words that I missed while ‘she’ was still around?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Well, I just hope that ‘Towergrove’ is a female (aka Sarah ), for if not, while enlightening her as to the complexity of DCP encryption keys, I made a fool of myself by serenading her with ‘Sara’ by Fleetwood Mac, which I see has since been pulled by Youtube, probably because of some copyright violation…….https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...&postcount=719

And what about ‘Blu-ray girl fan’ (just above (#64) the Skyfall post -
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ll#post7700024

is/was she really a girl or is that some play on words that I missed while ‘she’ was still around?

Ah, fleetwood mac. Now there is a group that does justice to a good sound system. The vocals send a shiver through my body.

There seem to be a identity crisis of late with myself lol. Rest assured my post was purely a leg pull for anyone reading at the time and I had no intention of dragging the joke on either.

I will now list my manly credentials for the record.

1 I like shiny black tech equipment
2 I don't like too many cushions on my sofa
3 I like bottled beer
4 I swear at the tv when watching my teams away games live.
5. I did judo when I was younger. (So did some woman to be fair)
6. I love the first two alien films and the first two terminator films
7. I bang on about home cinema.
8. I like boxing
9. I play COD and fifa on ps4.

There you go a man list from the heart.

[slickkeng]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Well, don’t get the false impression that HDMI 2.0 is like Leon the Professional and can handle…

Leon the Professional - EVERYONE - YouTube

of dem emerging technologies. For instance, it’s incapable of transporting 12-bit or 10-bit 4K HFR (greater than 60 Hz), not to mention can't do a videophile’s PQ nirvana of 4K 12-bit 4:4:4 at even a standard frame rate of 60.

I suppose that will will be the job of HDMI 2.1 or 3.0. Loved Leon the Professional - fantastic movie.

[raygendreau]

This ruling may give physical disk a leg up on digital media, but, overall, I have a very bad feeling about this:

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2014/01/...utrality-rule/

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

a man

I never doubted.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

This ruling may give physical disk a leg up on digital media, but, overall, I have a very bad feeling about this:
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2014/01/...utrality-rule/

May?

When 4K TV manufacturers (since 4K streaming is complimentary to 4K TVs) heard about that ruling, I’ll bet they all had their administrative assistants run to the local pharmacy for bottle of antacid if none was in the office.

The BDA will be encouraged to work more feverishly.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by slickkeng

I suppose that will will be the job of HDMI 2.1 or 3.0. Loved Leon the Professional - fantastic movie.

On almost a pathetic note, DisplayPort 1.2 (http://www.vesa.org/wp-content/uploa...010-rev-2b.pdf)
had nearly the same transport capability of HDMI 2.0…..almost 4 years earlier. And DisplayPort 1.3 (with even more transport capability) is coming out soon.

Which reminds me, possibly the coolest thing I saw at CES 2014 and would love to have for our play room at home was at the DisplayPort booth in which they were demoing 3, 50-ish inch sized flat panels hooked up together side-by-side as a flight simulator and putting out 4K 60fps imagery of flying a WWII Spitfire? over the English countryside.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by BozQ

CES is underway and... Michael Bay is stealing the headlines for all the wrong reasons.

You know CES has hit the big-time when its mishaps are parodied at the Golden Globes -
http://video.au.msn.com/watch/video/...sharepermalink

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

I agree Penton, lots of stuff out there that would be far more intriguing and obvious than 4K, which to me is a buzz number like 240Hz and all that crap was.

Talk about ‘buzz’. Like I said, I consider myself a 4K advocate because I understand (https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...nd#post8638171)
the true value of whatever technology we are discussing and how the world works but, some of the things touted in this PHL interview Youtube clip are difficult for even 4K advocates to digest without giggling....

#PanasonicCES: The Future of 4K - YouTube

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

...I had a chance to go and visit Brightside in Vancouver Canada years ago before Dolby bought them out and took over their HDR work. I saw the early prototypes of Dolby's HDR LCD display and the difference HDR and near infinite contrast does to a display is amazing.

Less traveling to visit Blu-ray.com and read about it in detail (without speculation) on the last 20 pages (with reference links to discussions we've had about it from about a year ago)….or else, travel to more obscure but similarly accurate sites like ‘radiance’ (you may have met Greg in the land where it seems to always rain)…. http://www.radiance-online.org/piper...ne/thread.html

[singhcr]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

This ruling may give physical disk a leg up on digital media, but, overall, I have a very bad feeling about this:

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2014/01/...utrality-rule/

Thankfully that was a federal court ruling, not a Supreme Court ruling. I would be surprised if the SCOTUS ruled that way. However, it may not be fun in the meantime. Some companies will wait until there's been a SCOTUS decision before changing any policies whereas others may start screwing consumers over right away.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

May?

When 4K TV manufacturers (since 4K streaming is complimentary to 4K TVs) heard about that ruling, I’ll bet they all had their administrative assistants run to the local pharmacy for bottle of antacid if none was in the office.

The BDA will be encouraged to work more feverishly.

If Amazon is made to pay more for its connection, they will pass it along in increased prices to the consumer for streaming and physical disk regardless of the K.

Originally Posted by singhcr

Thankfully that was a federal court ruling, not a Supreme Court ruling. I would be surprised if the SCOTUS ruled that way. However, it may not be fun in the meantime. Some companies will wait until there's been a SCOTUS decision before changing any policies whereas others may start screwing consumers over right away.

The FCC says they may fight this: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...eler-says.html

Instead of all this emphasis on nationalizing health care, I say let's have the government nationalize the internet. Give us 100 GBs for $15 per month. No more buffering.

The possible impact of this ruling is also discussed in this thread: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...64#post8672564

[Penton-Man]

Like I said before last Nov. expect an 8 figure cap.

MPEG LA Announces License Terms for High Efficiency Video Coding (HEVC/H.265)

Highlights…

HEVC products sold by a legal entity to end users 0 – 100,000 units/year = no royalty (available to one legal entity in an affiliated group)
o US $0.20 per unit after first 100,000 units each year
o Maximum annual royalty payable by an enterprise (company and greater than 50% owned subsidiaries): initially starts at $25M (note that H.264 had a 7 figure cap of $6,500,000)

• Includes right to make, use and sell
• Royalties are payable for HEVC products from May 1, 2013 forward
Other
• No separate royalties for HEVC content
• Vendors of semiconductor chips or other products that contain an HEVC encoder and/or decoder may pay HEVC royalties on behalf of their customer who is a licensee

For full press release see…. http://www.mpegla.com/Lists/MPEG%20L...n-14-01-16.pdf

One less problem to worry about.

[kristoffer]

If 4K disc comes out and have Rec 2020 colour space support how many movies will be able to take advantage of it? Is the colour space of 35mm on par with Rec 2020 ?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

May?

When 4K TV manufacturers (since 4K streaming is complimentary to 4K TVs) heard about that ruling, I’ll bet they all had their administrative assistants run to the local pharmacy for bottle of antacid if none was in the office.

The BDA will be encouraged to work more feverishly.

I don't know why people are surprised at this Penton man. It was inevitable that eventually streaming will cost as much as cable does now. Death to streaming, long live the disc!