4K Movies Releases

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by pentatonic

Tell you bro, with Sony, and now Samsung introducing download 4K players with streaming capability, it really doesn't look too good for 4K Blu-ray unless the BD is clearly way superior...

Time is not on the side of 4K Blu-ray but, on the other hand, don’t underestimate how willing any of the stakeholders are in regards to scratching out even the tiniest of profits with alternate revenue streams.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Just watch out for those rattlesnakes!

I feel that a torn ligament, a broken bone and rattlesnakes are a mere inconvenience to deal with as compared to what it took Niki to get back in his seat so soon after what happened to him -
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ed#post8654365

I’ve ridden (distance) before on different occasions with only one eye (patch over the other) and one arm (collar bone fracture or massive rotator cuff tear), so dealing temporarily with only one leg is but another challenge.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ed#post8654365

Despite this being a 4K Movie Releases thread, so people don’t get the wrong impression, Rush went through a 2K DI and a 2K DCP was produced…

Image format being 2048x858 (Scope) with a file size of 215GB.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by pentatonic

Tell you bro

I visited the Redray thread on your favorite forum to see what’s up as I haven’t been there in ages.

Too funny….given the personal financial success of the locals, they’re now giving free advice to RED (founded by a self-made billionaire) as to what to do with redray and its in-house codec along with now being ‘experts’ on HEVC and VP9.

[pentatonic]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

I know about Samsung 4K streaming. Can you point me to a Samsung 4K STB with downloading capabilities?

Doh! My mistake I guess, seeing as there will be a hd in it, I assumed it was for downloadable content. And I was just stating the fact that 2 major 4K players have solutions available while BD 4K is still nowhere to be seen, sheesh, like I was against everyone for thinking differently.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by pentatonic

Doh! My mistake I guess, seeing as there will be a hd in it, I assumed it was for downloadable content. And I was just stating the fact that 2 major 4K players have solutions available while BD 4K is still nowhere to be seen, sheesh, like I was against everyone for thinking differently.

It is for downloadable content: "As a part of their future UHD strategy, Samsung will offer a 4K starter pack to buyers which includes the Netflix subscription. This deal includes a 1 TB hard drive with 50 pre-loaded 4K movies including Star Trek and Life of Pi. It has been announced that new films and content will become available to download throughout the year, costing around £250 according to reports."

http://www.product-reviews.net/2014/...ming-incoming/

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Time is not on the side of 4K Blu-ray but, on the other hand, don’t underestimate how willing any of the stakeholders are in regards to scratching out even the tiniest of profits with alternate revenue streams.

Seems to me the cinefiles and videofiles would be thrilled at the prospect of having a niche product all to themselves. I actually believe that BD (1080P) will regress to a 10% market share and fulfill that need within 5 years with or without the introduction of a UHD physical disc.

[pentatonic]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Time is not on the side of 4K Blu-ray but, on the other hand, don’t underestimate how willing any of the stakeholders are in regards to scratching out even the tiniest of profits with alternate revenue streams.

You know, I really do hope they come out with 4K BD as long as they don't lock us in to antiquated standards from the start. I remember mentioning how surprised I was nobody ever decided to use DP before. OK there might be many reasons I wouldn't know, but HDMI, even 2 is still retarded compared to DP. Better lock us in with valid upgrades, I don't think they would do too well if for early adopters, gen 1 turns out to be only good for that like with early HD & BD. I somehow feel a more software-based player could be more easily upgradable. Just thoughts, that's all hehe

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I feel that a torn ligament, a broken bone and rattlesnakes are a mere inconvenience to deal with as compared to what it took Niki to get back in his seat so soon after what happened to him -
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ed#post8654365

As a Quebecer my obvious favorite F1 pilot ever is without a doubt Gilles Villeneuve, who I personally believe was the most natural talent the sport ever witnessed. The crew loved working with him as he was as qualified, if not more than some in mechanics. He died like he lived. If you ever hear that Montreal drivers are total animals and why "The Met", this very narrow elevated urban boulevard that is part of highway 40 is often referred to as "The Met Speedway". The ones they refer to drive like he did lol (Yep, me included lol)

That being said, Niki Lauda is still the original modern day great in my mind. None had ever driven so unforgiving as he did, you just couldn't give him a measly inch, and the others knew that. You often saw the look of the drivers he would pass and they knew, that little instant, and bam, too late. He would def rank extremely high in my list of all time greats

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I visited the Redray thread on your favorite forum to see what’s up as I haven’t been there in ages.

Too funny….given the personal financial success of the locals, they’re now giving free advice to RED (founded by a self-made billionaire) as to what to do with redray and its in-house codec along with now being ‘experts’ on HEVC and VP9.

I know, there are many he-hum, snobbish forums but they def take the cake, icing and all utensils to consume said cake. It's actually hilarious to read.

[pentatonic]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

It is for downloadable content: "As a part of their future UHD strategy, Samsung will offer a 4K starter pack to buyers which includes the Netflix subscription. This deal includes a 1 TB hard drive with 50 pre-loaded 4K movies including Star Trek and Life of Pi. It has been announced that new films and content will become available to download throughout the year, costing around £250 according to reports."

http://www.product-reviews.net/2014/...ming-incoming/

Thanks, that's what I had read quickly but not sure enough to argue, or point to the link lol

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Seems to me the cinefiles and videofiles would be thrilled at the prospect of having a niche product all to themselves. I actually believe that BD (1080P) will regress to a 10% market share and fulfill that need within 5 years with or without the introduction of a UHD physical disc.

Am I surprised you think that? Emmmmm, no!

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by pentatonic

Doh! My mistake I guess, seeing as there will be a hd in it, I assumed it was for downloadable content.

The details are sketchy at best. It will be interesting to see if Samsung follows Sony's lead and locks out all video displays but their own.

Redray and ODEMAX seem to be DOA. Mark Haflich said he ordered a Nuvola NP-1, don't know if it has been received.

[Wendell R. Breland]

It looks like the Emotiva XMC-1 may start shipping in March and will include HDMI 2.0 switching. Info here.

There may be a like new Onkyo PR-SC5508P audio processor for sale soon .

- Full HDMI 2.0 and 4K Capability. Yes. We’ve added HDMI 2.0 and 4k capability from the start. That’s the biggest part of the delay—simply waiting for the HDMI 2.0 interface chips to ship in quantity. But it’s worth it. If we’d hurried to hit our planned date exactly, we would have had to ship with HDMI 1.4, and update everything in the future. Now, your XMC-1 is ready for all of HDMI 2.0’s capabilities, and super-high-resolution content, from day 1.

- 2 HDMI Outputs, and Full 3D/4K OSD. You asked for 2 HDMI outputs, and we listened. Now, you’ll have 8 HDMI inputs and 2 HDMI outputs on the XMC-1, as well as the most sophisticated on-screen display available—fully integrated into 3D content, and 4K content as well, for unsurpassed convenience and ease of use.

[pentatonic]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

The details are sketchy at best. It will be interesting to see if Samsung follows Sony's lead and locks out all video displays but their own.

Redray and ODEMAX seem to be DOA. Mark Haflich said he ordered a Nuvola NP-1, don't know if it has been received.

I agree, but with BD's biggest supporter, Sony, saying at CES that 4K for them was stream/dl, Samsung pointing the same way and basically with no mentions of a future 4K BD tech, it does raise questions, why aren't they pre-promoting it if it is clearly in there future slate.

It will surely come, what I'm not so sure is it's clear superiority, at least not until proven otherwise. We can't always apply yesterday's opinions on a new advancement in tech as we don't know.

My biggest concern is that if it does prove to be a viable medium for high quality "videophiles", many will still oppose it on the base that they don't "own" the product, which outside of the plastic disk and case you still don't really today.

The only thing I ask is for people to have an open mind and criticize the product only once it has been proven of inferior quality or overridden with extremely limited rights. Who knows, many might enjoy it, not having to wait to get to see something on release day, a gorgeous 4K high ranking boxing match, etc. Many many alternative options could be setup. Pricing structure including or not optional extras. Imaging being able to let's say watch a world premier release the same night. Structure the price right. It's all about these possible options for me and how good the end result will be. I bought into BD in 2006, followed by HD DVD not much longer afterwards. I didn't care which was the best tech, I was too busy enjoying both

[pentatonic]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

It looks like the Emotiva XMC-1 may start shipping in March and will include HDMI 2.0 switching. Info here.

There may be a like new Onkyo PR-SC5508P audio processor for sale soon .

Nice, it was such a long process but worth it. I like their idea of the OSD in 4k/3D, a really nice little extra touch.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by pentatonic

I agree, but with BD's biggest supporter, Sony, saying at CES that $K for them was stream/dl, Samsung pointing the same way and basically with no mentions of a future 4K BD tech, it does raise questions, why aren't they pre-promoting it if it is clearly in there future slate.

If UHD Blu-ray and software was made available tomorrow how many do you think they would sell in calendar 2014? How many Sony pucks have been sold to date? IMO, not very many in all cases.

Sony has made it very clear they are not targeting a larger market with their puck player because it only works in the US and ONLY with certain Sony 4K products.


The following has been on the UV site for at least 2 years:

UltraViolet Players (currently in beta) enable you to download and play UltraViolet Files on Internet TVs, game consoles, set-top boxes, Blu-ray Players, computers, tablets, smartphones, and other mobile devices. Once you download an UltraViolet File, you can play it on any UltraViolet Player. During the UltraViolet Players beta, not all UltraViolet movies and TV shows have UltraViolet Files available. Note that, in addition to UltraViolet Files, your service provider may continue to offer other download formats to enable you to download and play your movies and TV shows on Players that do not support UltraViolet Files.

AFAIK, the ONLY thing that will play a downloaded file is the device it was downloaded on. Tried it a while back on my iPad and the app (VUDU) crashed the pad, only app I ever had that did such.

For me, all these UHD (and many/most HD) streamer/downloader devices is just one big CF. That said, I will keep an eye on the next model from Sony that is supposed to have HEVC and use various apps. I will most likely procure one IF it works well.

For me, the procurement of a UHD Blu-ray is just a matter of time.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Seems to me the cinefiles and videofiles would be thrilled at the prospect of having a niche product all to themselves....

You mean like FOC (http://www.ferrariownersclub.org/ ) ?

Originally Posted by raygendreau

I actually believe that BD (1080P) will regress to a 10% market share and fulfill that need within 5 years with or without the introduction of a UHD physical disc.

Well Ray, whether mainstream or niche, the inherent existence of Blu-ray is why we have Blu-ray.com. Initiating or belaboring discussions about the rate of its demise or the timeline of its extinction around here is kinda like pissing in the wind….or like going on a Honda motorcycle racing forum and plugging Yamahas every chance you get.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by pentatonic

You know, I really do hope they come out with 4K BD as long as they don't lock us in to antiquated standards from the start.

Yes, if you care about quality, that’s a key concern.

Originally Posted by pentatonic

…That being said, Niki Lauda is still the original modern day great in my mind.

As to Niki and Rush, I think we should mention to readers who have no interest in F1 racing and are pretty much clueless as to some of its history, that purchasing or at least renting the flick may still be of interest given its dual character study as noted by Ken in the last paragraph of his review…. https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Rush-.../71544/#Review

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Redray and ODEMAX seem to be DOA. Mark Haflich said...

Ironic combination of words ^, given I notice that Mark has the distinction of being banned from the RED forum for constantly riling up the natives….and, like them or not, they don’t have the reputation of banning many people.

Reading his posts at RED, I fear Mark’s become too snarky in his retirement years. And I say “fear” out of concern, for I admire the guy because he was a SOLID audio/video salesman back in the day and even before that, like me, he was into Environmental Science (I was a double major in science with E.S. being part of it), long before caring about the environment became a fashionable thing to do with people who live and think beyond their own self interests.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Nuvola NP-1

There’s a V.P. from that company that posts on one of the professional engineering forums. Somehow he finds a way to plug his product into the technical discussions.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

You mean like FOC (http://www.ferrariownersclub.org/ ) ?

Well Ray, whether mainstream or niche, the inherent existence of Blu-ray is why we have Blu-ray.com. Initiating or belaboring discussions about the rate of its demise or the timeline of its extinction around here is kinda like pissing in the wind….or like going on a Honda motorcycle racing forum and plugging Yamahas every chance you get.

I did not say demise or extinction, I said return to niche status i.e. around 10%
market share.

Blu-ray.com is adapting and will continue to adapt to the interests of its members. Just as International Harvester adopted the new name Navistar to distance itself from the narrow focus on farm machinery, so will Blu-ray.com, sometime in the future, pick a new domain name that is less focused on Blu-ray physical disc and more diffused in its coverage of all methods of entertainment delivery.

There are several sub forums here that have nothing to do with Blu-ray physical disc, where you can find threads discussing the size of the posters ultraviolet libraries, etc.

This thread is about 4K movie releases. At present, there are 4K theatrical releases and there are 4K (UHD) digital downloads. Soon there will be UHD streaming. There are no UHD Blu-ray movies.

Not to belabor the point, but as I type, this sub-forum, Blu-ray technology and future technology has 61 viewers while the Digital Movies sub-forum has 84.