4K Movies Releases

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by pentatonic

You know, I have been out of the gaming game for so much that I lost track of that, darn, 4K at 60 fps or so, QHD at insane levels, now that is a major correction.

I’ll get to talking about the way(s) for delivering natively shot 120fps content (Hab’s hockey anyone?) into consumers’ homes later.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I think the same way.

Anyway, how would you rank them in terms of excitement? English Premier League…then the Spanish La Liga…then the German Bundesliga?, which b.t.w., Sky Deutschland is also upbeat on delivering football in 4K - http://advanced-television.com/2014/...at-on-results/

EPL first
La Liga second
Serie A Third
Bundesliga fourth

[pentatonic]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I’ll get to talking about the way(s) for delivering natively shot 120fps content (Hab’s hockey anyone?) into consumers’ homes later.

Talking to a Montrealer here, I'd love to see that

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

Still no word on how Dolby Vision will be applied to projection systems. Theatrical showings are at 14 fL (I use the same in my room). I don't see how this will fit in with Dolby's HDR system considering the white levels they are trying to achieve. It certainly wouldn't look like the monitors they are grading on.

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Yes, but, not to forget that for years, IMAX with their DMR process has been mastering their DCPs to 22ftL for 2D content and even now there are projectors which are capable of running at that brightness. Nevertheless, people are thinking more towards laser in the future as the enabler of HDR at the commercial cinemas….if this range parameter indeed comes to fruition beyond the home environment.

Dolby proprietary solution concerns aside, to keep you up-to-date on the goings on behind the scenes, AMPAS has shot the first set of test images which have recently been mastered at different HDR levels. So the industry is serious about seeing how (and if) HDR will work with D-Cinema.

Forward thinking post professionals envisioned this next generation extended dynamic range parameter possibly coming in the future and thusly, have included it in their work for the past several years with development of ACES ( see p.10 of the quoted pdf from the Academy’s Science and Technology Council here -
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...es#post8011830 )

Kris, and other front projector enthusiasts, DCI cinemas are currently capable of about 10 stops of dynamic range. In Dolby’s experiment using a 4k Christie professional projector showing imagery onto a 13 ft. 2.8 gain screen, viewers preferred a much wider luminance range than current D-Cinema.

Scroll to about the 25min. timestamp to the beginning of the presentation with the results and conclusions concerning the *large screen testing* listed a few minutes after the 25min. mark ….

NAB Show's Technology Summit on Cinema 2014: Understanding the Human Vision System - YouTube

b.t.w., for those that missed it, the perceptual EOTF webcast has now (as of today) been published on Youtube.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by pentatonic

Talking to a Montrealer here, I'd love to see that

You guys are doing quite well this year.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Scroll to about the 25min. timestamp to the beginning of the presentation with the results and conclusions concerning the *large screen testing* listed a few minutes after the 25min. mark ….

NAB Show's Technology Summit on Cinema 2014: Understanding the Human Vision System - YouTube

If you can’t get thru to the link in my initial post on the topic then copy and paste this url in another tab-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H35yFAhnbXY&list=UUGWzDvT6KmdSMBRsbcdToSg

Anyway, reminds me - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...86#post8865354

[pentatonic]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

You guys are doing quite well this year.

Indeed my friend. Though 2-2 with Boston, we still have won 6 out of the last 8, feels nice

[Richard Paul]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Katy’s study ^ however didn’t consider the use of shorter shutters (like NHK’s proposal of 1/320 sec.) with higher frame rate capture but, that practice opens up a host of other visual implications which we won’t get into right now.

I have read that some companies have promoted the idea of using 60 fps with a 1/120 shutter speed. Besides increasing the amount of light needed for the camera does it cause any other problems?

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Scroll to about the 25min. timestamp to the beginning of the presentation with the results and conclusions concerning the *large screen testing* listed a few minutes after the 25min. mark ….

NAB Show's Technology Summit on Cinema 2014: Understanding the Human Vision System - YouTube

It was interesting to see a detailed explanation of how HDR has been tested. I do wonder about the issue of prolonged viewing (more than an hour) and was amused when the European researcher said during the Q&A that 1000 nits of peak luminance would happen but that 4000 nits wouldn't happen (he was the only non-Dolby researcher to have done tests with HDR video).

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

It was interesting to see a detailed explanation of how HDR has been tested. I do wonder about the issue of prolonged viewing (more than an hour) and was amused when the European researcher said during the Q&A that 1000 nits of peak luminance would happen but that 4000 nits wouldn't happen (he was the only non-Dolby researcher to have done tests with HDR video).

For those new readers to the thread not following, last autumn I posted somewhere on this thread specifically that neutral lab(s), [meaning not with commercial affiliation], would be conducting testing as to the value, as well as other properties, of HDR viewing with a planned start date for the experiments in January 2014. Well……the results of that testing begins with the presentation by Hans (of EBU) at ~ the 35min. timestamp of the linked Youtube video.

The EPFL (in particular, the 2nd author of the paper linked here….https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...dr#post8587823 being the presenter at ~ 49min.timestamp ) was another neutral lab involved in the testing and in contrast to EBU, they used side-by-side split screen testing methodology. I found it amusing when Touradj mentioned, paraphrasing here…*that unlike some of you guys (i.e. entertainment industry people in the audience), what we have at University is…..time….so we have the opportunity “to think”*, etc.

Also amusing, 400 nits (ambient lighting) is great to “torture people”. Anyway, 1000 nits displays would not be a bad compromise, as 1-2% of that for ambient lighting would work out….https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...86#post8865354 for everyone involved in the process.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

EPL first
La Liga second
Serie A Third
Bundesliga fourth

32 days to go …. http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/news/y=...l-2336594.html

[Richard Paul]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

For those new readers to the thread not following, last autumn I posted somewhere on this thread specifically that neutral lab(s), [meaning not with commercial affiliation], would be conducting testing as to the value, as well as other properties, of HDR viewing with a planned start date for the experiments in January 2014. Well……the results of that testing begins with the presentation by Hans (of EBU) at ~ the 35min. timestamp of the linked Youtube video.

The EPFL (in particular, the 2nd author of the paper linked here….https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...dr#post8587823 being the presenter at ~ 49min.timestamp ) was another neutral lab involved in the testing and in contrast to EBU, they used side-by-side split screen testing methodology. I found it amusing when Touradj mentioned, paraphrasing here…*that unlike some of you guys (i.e. entertainment industry people in the audience), what we have at University is…..time….so we have the opportunity “to think”*, etc.

Also amusing, 400 nits (ambient lighting) is great to “torture people”. Anyway, 1000 nits displays would not be a bad compromise, as 1-2% of that for ambient lighting would work out….https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...86#post8865354 for everyone involved in the process.

I found the researchers from the EBU and EPFL to be a lot more objective about HDR and more willing to admit that these short video clips don't tell us everything. Dolby was heavily promoting HDR and their presentation was basically a sales pitch.

For example Dolby claimed that 90% of people liked having a peak luminance of 7000 nits but they were counting anyone who liked having a peak luminance below that level. In other words if Dolby had 10 people and asked them what peak luminance they liked with a short video clip they could get the following ten answers: 300 nits, 500 nits, 600 nits, 700 nits, 900 nits, 1000 nits, 2000 nits, 3000 nits, 7000 nits, 8000 nits. Based on those answers Dolby would say that 90% of people prefer 7000 nits. I understand why Dolby does that, they have a lot of high brightness LCD patents, but stuff like that makes me skeptical of their research.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

32 days to go …. http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/news/y=...l-2336594.html

I feel like I can really enjoy it now our safety is confirmed. Plus, we may be in for several World Cup stars so there is always that.
I am looking forward to the Euros as well as I intend to have a 4K setup by that time. Maybe this HFR will convert me for sports?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

I found the researchers from the EBU and EPFL to be a lot more objective about HDR and more willing to admit that these short video clips don't tell us everything. Dolby was heavily promoting HDR and their presentation was basically a sales pitch....

lol, well the researchers are not out to sell people anything, unlike entertainment business interests, be they studios, electronics companies, forum/website ‘journalists’ or whatever. They’re more akin to public service media entities. But for perspective, in the past, I believe there have been worse, e.g. if memory serves (prior to 2006), Sony proposed the xvYCC encoding scheme without soliciting any contributions from content creators…and xvYCC was still standardized (by the IEC - http://webstore.iec.ch/preview/info_...ed1.0%7Den.pdf).

I believe Dolby is at least trying to be a bit more collaborative with everyone to which their extended dynamic range proposal would/could affect. Not to mention the fact I think it took some fortitude for Scott Daly to be present at the Q&A and sit through some of those comments made by Hans and Touradj. Of course, on the other hand, people tell me that’s nothing compared to being absolutely grilled during a noon conference potentially on a daily basis in front of your peers for 4 or 5 years…or more, as a part of enduring a medical or surgical residency.

Anyway, as long as the outcome is good (better than what we have now with LDR…Low Dynamic Range TVs), I have no qualms as to a reasonable starting point for HDR, be it the Dolby Vision ecosystem, Technicolor’s solution, etc.

[Richard Paul]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

lol, well the researchers are not out to sell people anything, unlike entertainment business interests, be they studios, electronics companies, forum/website ‘journalists’ or whatever. They’re more akin to public service media entities. But for perspective, in the past, I believe there have been worse, e.g. if memory serves (prior to 2006), Sony proposed the xvYCC encoding scheme without soliciting any contributions from content creators…and xvYCC was still standardized (by the IEC - http://webstore.iec.ch/preview/info_...ed1.0%7Den.pdf).

xvYCC had plenty of problems and I agree that the Dolby perceptual gamma curve has a much better chance of success. On a technical level the Dolby perceptual gamma curve looks good so it could do well if the licensing terms are acceptable.

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Anyway, as long as the outcome is good (better than what we have now with LDR…Low Dynamic Range TVs), I have no qualms as to a reasonable starting point for HDR, be it the Dolby Vision ecosystem, Technicolor’s solution, etc.

Technicolor has released detailed information on their HDR/WCG systems but Dolby has released only tidbits about Dolby Vision. As such I can't say much about Dolby Vision since Dolby has not yet released a detailed explanation for how their system works.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

...but Dolby has released only tidbits about Dolby Vision. As such I can't say much about Dolby Vision since Dolby has not yet released a detailed explanation for how their system works.

Testimonials from various ‘journalists’ in the latest “lab notes” (http://blog.dolby.com/2014/05/dolby-...ee-appreciate/ ). lol, I can say one thing, I’ve heard of David Cohen…. https://twitter.com/Variety_DSCohen

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Testimonials from various ‘journalists’ in the latest “lab notes” (http://blog.dolby.com/2014/05/dolby-...ee-appreciate/ ). lol, I can say one thing, I’ve heard of David Cohen…. https://twitter.com/Variety_DSCohen

I haven't, but I have absolutely heard of Lauren Cohan! Very similar bar the 'a'


Feel free to do a search if needs be.

[singhcr]

I am hoping that some of the World Cup matches (such as the final match) are availiable in 4K for home viewing. If I remember correctly, is there not any architecture in place for satelite streaming of 4K material for viewing in movie theaters?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by singhcr

I am hoping that some of the World Cup matches (such as the final match) are availiable in 4K for home viewing. If I remember correctly, is there not any architecture in place for satelite streaming of 4K material for viewing in movie theaters?

Well, it would be nice to get it ubiquitously, like so….

2014 FIFA World Cup Brazilâ„¢ - Sony One Stadium 4K Experience - YouTube

but this is the last publicity blurb from one of the delivery stakeholders….

“confirmed that his company and select rights holder are indeed devising a plan to deliver these 4K productions live. Currently, the stakeholders intend to place Ultra HDTVs at select pubs and other viewing areas in the given countries of the rights holders, enabling consumers to watch the matches live in the format.”
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/beh...lanning-700580

Steed, in the Sports forum, I see no mention/or thoughts about the news yesterday regarding Roy Hodgson naming England's squad for the World Cup. Whaz up? …..no luv around here for that tournament or England’s chances?

Singhcr, In the meantime, if you get beIN Sports USA, the final match is this weekend for determining the champions of La Liga and just so happens to be between the current #1 and #2 teams….pretty unique - http://www.theguardian.com/football/...-la-liga-title

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Well, it would be nice to get it ubiquitously, like so….

2014 FIFA World Cup Brazilâ„¢ - Sony One Stadium 4K Experience - YouTube

but this is the last publicity blurb from one of the delivery stakeholders….

“confirmed that his company and select rights holder are indeed devising a plan to deliver these 4K productions live. Currently, the stakeholders intend to place Ultra HDTVs at select pubs and other viewing areas in the given countries of the rights holders, enabling consumers to watch the matches live in the format.”
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/beh...lanning-700580

Steed, in the Sports forum, I see no mention/or thoughts about the news yesterday regarding Roy Hodgson naming England's squad for the World Cup. Whaz up? …..no luv around here for that tournament or England’s chances?

Singhcr, In the meantime, if you get beIN Sports USA, the final match is this weekend for determining the champions of La Liga and just so happens to be between the current #1 and #2 teams….pretty unique - http://www.theguardian.com/football/...-la-liga-title

Well, I'm more a club person Penton man. Obviously I want to see England win the World Cup but the stifling of young talent in this country over the last few years has been detrimental to our trophy hopes. I'm afraid even the quarter finals will be a bridge too far for England. We are mediocre and mediocre doesn't win world cup trophies. On the plus side, many Sunderland players will be plying their trade at the tournament and I will be watching with interest.

[Penton-Man]

As a U.S. National team supporter, I’ve planned back-up countrie(s) teams to root for…..for years. Our (U.S.) World Cup success (or lack thereof ) will not prevent the overall enjoyment I get out of watching the greatest in the world compete against each other every 4 years.

I wish I could go to Brazil but me thinks Peter THX gobbled up all the good tickets.