Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (USE SPOILER TAGS!)

[BLUEGRASS]

My thoughts on Vader being in EP 7 -

[Show spoiler]Considering that Darth Maul was brought back in the animated series, I guess anything can happen.

[Col. Zombie]

Originally Posted by BLUEGRASS

My thoughts on Vader being in EP 7 -

[Show spoiler]Considering that Darth Maul was brought back in the animated series, I guess anything can happen.

Well, preposterous things do happen all the time.

[Blu-21]

Darth Maul was crimely underused. He was just about the only good orignal character in the whole prequel saga. If he can be brought back in a believable way then bring it on.

[BLUEGRASS]

Originally Posted by legendarymatt92

Exactly - it's a fan rumour that has spread, and now people are expecting it to happen. And plus, we really need another villian for this new part; we can't keep resting on the same old characters just because we're used to them.

I absolutely agree, but I really hope the new threat is not the Yuuzhan Vong race from the books. I did not care for them at all.

Speaking of the books, I actually wouldn't mind if the villain turned out to be Ysanne Isard.



The following could be used for the plot of EP 7:

[Show spoiler]Ysanne Isard was the Director of Imperial Intelligence for several years during the Galactic Civil War, and ruled the Galactic Empire herself for a time after the Emperor's death. Isard followed her father, Armand Isard, into Imperial Intelligence at a young age, blossoming into a model field agent. After the Alliance stole coordinates of the location of the Death Star's construction site, Ysanne was sent on a mission to the planet Darkknell. While the mission was a failure, she survived but the prospect of losing considerable face back on Imperial Center infuriated Isard. She instead found a way to pin the blame on her father. Backed up by members of the Emperor's Royal Guards, she accused her father of treason; the Emperor had him executed within the hour, and she took her father's position as Director of Imperial Intelligence. Isard was exceptionally close to Palpatine, so much so that she was given the second Executor-class Star Dreadnought constructed, the Lusankya. Buried underneath the surface of her homeworld of Coruscant, the Lusankya became a prison and brainwashing facility, and Isard used it to torture the secrets out of many enemies of the Empire, as well as convert selected prisoners into sleeper agents.

After the Battle of Endor, Isard became an advisor to Grand Vizier Sate Pestage, all the while engineering his downfall. In the same day, Isard had Pestage and the Imperial Ruling Council assassinated, leaving her Empress in all but name. Isard commanded a sizable force at the height of her power, though the fact she held Coruscant made her a target for the New Republic. Knowing Coruscant would inevitably fall to the New Republic, she had the Krytos virus developed, so that they would inherit a sick world and hopefully fragment. After blasting off Coruscant in the Lusankya, Ysanne Isard supported a political coup of Thyferra, and became a warlord. Rogue Squadron followed her to Thyferra, though, and managed to defeat her forces and capture the planet. Isard was presumed dead.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by Col. Zombie

That might be interesting. And more than that, something like you described might satiate the appetites of those who will destroy their parents' basement if Vader's not actually in it.

Lord...

No one is going to freak out if Vader isn't in Episode VII.

[Col. Zombie]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Lord...

No one is going to freak out if Vader isn't in Episode VII.

The way some folks are talking on this board, sure they will.

There will be mass suicides. Killing sprees. Harikiri. The random fan storming out of the theater screaming at the tops of his lungs, "THIS MOVIE SUCKS!" (which I actually wintnessed at a viewing of Superman Returns). It will be chaos an anarchy, bedlam, people begging the rocks and moutnains to fall on them...exactly like you might think the end of the world would look like.

[BLUEGRASS]

Originally Posted by Col. Zombie

The way some folks are talking on this board, sure they will.

There will be mass suicides. Killing sprees. Harikiri. The random fan storming out of the theater screaming at the tops of his lungs, "THIS MOVIE SUCKS!" (which I actually wintnessed at a viewing of Superman Returns). It will be chaos an anarchy, bedlam, people begging the rocks and moutnains to fall on them...exactly like you might think the end of the world would look like.

This what the end of the world looks (and sounds) like:

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSBq8geuJk0

[Clark Kent]

Originally Posted by Blu-21

Darth Maul was crimely underused. He was just about the only good orignal character in the whole prequel saga. If he can be brought back in a believable way then bring it on.

He has already been brought back on the Clone Wars and he now has a brother to boot. It's in the canon, Darth Maul is alive at the moment as of the Clone Wars in the Star Wars universe.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by BLUEGRASS

My thoughts on Vader being in EP 7 -

[Show spoiler]Considering that Darth Maul was brought back in the animated series, I guess anything can happen.

Darth Maul didn't die on camera. And also wasn't pitched onto a funeral pyre and reduced to ashes. Big difference.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by BLUEGRASS

This what the end of the world looks (and sounds) like:

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSBq8geuJk0

oh my ****ing god that is ****ing awesome

[Blu-21]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

He has already been brought back on the Clone Wars and he now has a brother to boot. It's in the canon, Darth Maul is alive at the moment as of the Clone Wars in the Star Wars universe.

Oh well good, but I'd like to see him return back in the form of live action rather than a cartoon interpretation.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Blu-21

Oh well good, but I'd like to see him return back in the form of live action rather than a cartoon interpretation.

Not likely to happen. Especially since from the previews it looks like Sidious is going to kill him. And his Brother.

The Clone Wars - Lord Sidious vs Darth Maul and Savage Opress Trailer - YouTube

[Indyjones]

I have some insider info - the opening shot of Ep.VII will have Leia in her cell on the death star, wakes up, to find the Emperor, Vader, Tarkin and Boba Fett taking a bubble bath together across the hall in the cell block. They didn't really die, it was just a dream!

If Lucasfilm/Disney wants to make a series of films set between Ep.III and IV, focusing on Vader and the Empire, fine. Bring him back that way. In no way do I want to see Vader - either as Anakin, or the walking iron lung, in ANY of the sequels, unless it's either a flashback or as a spirit. There's no point to do so. Ep.1-6 was the fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker, ending with his death and needs to be left that way. If they're just going to recycle through the same characters that have been killed off, over, and over and over, why bother making the sequel trilogies? All that tells me is that Disney/Lucasfilm has zero new, fresh, exciting ideas to move the story forward, so they're just going to take the lazy route and add a twist to every single character that has gotten or gets the ax, so that they can keep them around and milk them to death.

[segagamer12]

Originally Posted by Indyjones

I have some insider info - the opening shot of Ep.VII will have Leia in her cell on the death star, wakes up, to find the Emperor, Vader, Tarkin and Boba Fett taking a bubble bath together across the hall in the cell block. They didn't really die, it was just a dream!

If Lucasfilm/Disney wants to make a series of films set between Ep.III and IV, focusing on Vader and the Empire, fine. Bring him back that way. In no way do I want to see Vader - either as Anakin, or the walking iron lung, in ANY of the sequels, unless it's either a flashback or as a spirit. There's no point to do so. Ep.1-6 was the fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker, ending with his death and needs to be left that way. If they're just going to recycle through the same characters that have been killed off, over, and over and over, why bother making the sequel trilogies? All that tells me is that Disney/Lucasfilm has zero new, fresh, exciting ideas to move the story forward, so they're just going to take the lazy route and add a twist to every single character that has gotten or gets the ax, so that they can keep them around and milk them to death.

That is all your opinion. The entire time I was reading the Eu books I kept wishing and wondering when are they going to bring Vader back, they kept bringing back Palpatine, they brought back Boba Fett, so why not Vader? It is sci-fi/fantasy anything is possible. Based on the comments here though it is a damned if they do damned if they don't type of thing. I honestly don't care either way, I just think that as iconic as Vader is, they might be seriously about resurrecting him in some way. Even if it is just turning Luke to the dark side and having him don the armor would be enough. I am not saying that is what I want, obviously it would be a bad idea, but I think it is something they might consider and fans might want to start thinking about it now before the rage kicks in.

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by Beast

Darth Maul didn't die on camera. And also wasn't pitched onto a funeral pyre and reduced to ashes. Big difference.

Didnt he get cut in half, which we did see? That would probably lead to death - unless he had Obamacare.

Seriously, Maul was an awesome character that was wasted. he should have taken the role that Dooku ended up getting. Dooku was lame compared to Maul. They screwed that up.

[legendarymatt92]

Originally Posted by s2mikey

Didnt he get cut in half, which we did see? That would probably lead to death - unless he had Obamacare.

Seriously, Maul was an awesome character that was wasted. he should have taken the role that Dooku ended up getting. Dooku was lame compared to Maul. They screwed that up.

Yeah but, since lightsabers cauterize wounds, it is possible that he didn't die because he wouldn't have bled to death. Obviously they've taken that route out, though, otherwise he wouldn't be in The Clone Wars.

[mrpink134]

Originally Posted by Beast

Darth Maul didn't die on camera. And also wasn't pitched onto a funeral pyre and reduced to ashes. Big difference.

He got chopped in half on screen.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by mrpink134

He got chopped in half on screen.

As noted above... Lightsabers cauterize wounds. So he wouldn't bleed to death. He'd just be half a man.

In the Star Wars universe, getting cut in half doesn't mean you're dead. And neither does fourth degree burns.

Also re: Dooku. He was a much superior character all around. And fit the mold of Sith Lord better than Pit Bull Maul.

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

Exactly!!!!

I would LOVE to see Bill Nighy as the next main Star Wars villain.

Nill Nighy is always great! Can't go wrong with him.

Originally Posted by segagamer12

That is all your opinion. The entire time I was reading the Eu books I kept wishing and wondering when are they going to bring Vader back, they kept bringing back Palpatine, they brought back Boba Fett, so why not Vader? It is sci-fi/fantasy anything is possible. Based on the comments here though it is a damned if they do damned if they don't type of thing. I honestly don't care either way, I just think that as iconic as Vader is, they might be seriously about resurrecting him in some way. Even if it is just turning Luke to the dark side and having him don the armor would be enough. I am not saying that is what I want, obviously it would be a bad idea, but I think it is something they might consider and fans might want to start thinking about it now before the rage kicks in.

Not jsut regarding this, but anything Star Wars related, particularly the movies are doomed either way. The "fans" will never be happy.
I so want to be proven wrong here.

Originally Posted by Beast

As noted above... Lightsabers cauterize wounds. So he wouldn't bleed to death. He'd just be half a man.

In the Star Wars universe, getting cut in half doesn't mean you're dead. And neither does fourth degree burns.

Also re: Dooku. He was a much superior character all around. And fit the mold of Sith Lord better than Pit Bull Maul.

Lucas had Maul cut in two, so it was certain that he was dead, otherwise he would have brought him back in the next episodes.

It's also stated by Lucas in one or more documentaries.

Yes, Dooku is fantastic!

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by legendarymatt92

Yeah but, since lightsabers cauterize wounds, it is possible that he didn't die because he wouldn't have bled to death. Obviously they've taken that route out, though, otherwise he wouldn't be in The Clone Wars.

Maul must not have human biology, because cauterized or not, he'd be missing substanial parts of his intestinal tract, and would have died from sepsis.

And Maul was sort of a moron, just standing there with a confused look on his face while Obi-Wan flies out of the pit, flips over his head, grabs a lightsabre and slices him in two.