Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (USE SPOILER TAGS!)

[segagamer12]

Wait a second a few pages back I suggested the director from the Pirates and I was told no way because the last two were shot back to back and that was a BAD thing, now they are speculating the films will be shot back to back and suddenly that is a good thing? So does that mean the Pirates director is back in the running or has he been officially ruled out?

[Rainhurt]

We know these are going to be filmed in 3D but will they go High Frame Rate? I remember Lucas saying he liked HFR. You think this film will go down that road?

I hope it is 60p personally.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by Beast

Well, it was supposed to be a Trilogy of films. But I don't really see it happening. Unfortunately.

What got made was the most exciting middle chapter. The other films would have been a Prequel and Sequel.

Thank God! While the visuals were fantastic the movie, IMO, felt very flat to me! I'm a big fan of historical films, and really wanted to like this...but for me it just was not meant to be!

[Angel Eyes]

Howard the Duck 2? Willow 2? And yes Red Tails was just a dreadful film. Hopefully they will get some people that were involved with the OT to come on board and try and get the franchise back to where it use to be.

[segagamer12]

Originally Posted by Angel Eyes

Howard the Duck 2? Willow 2? And yes Red Tails was just a dreadful film. Hopefully they will get some people that were involved with the OT to come on board and try and get the franchise back to where it use to be.

You mean on the decline and on the road to being forgotten, no thanks the Prequels breathed new life into the franchise like it or not they created millions of new fans. I think it would be a crime to cater to one side of the fanbase and ignore the other.

[Will21st]

Originally Posted by Rainhurt

We know these are going to be filmed in 3D but will they go High Frame Rate? I remember Lucas saying he liked HFR. You think this film will go down that road?

I hope it is 60p personally.

3D is a given,and it wouldn't surprise me if these were HFR.... why not future-proof them?

Actually,I just remember something Jim Dorey from Marketsaw told me.... he was introduced to George Lucas sometime last year (by James Cameron of all people!),and Lucas jokingly told him that new SW movies would be filmed in 3D and holographically. Obviously the holographic thing was a joke,but I bet he knew then already that new films were forthcoming.Maybe even the Disney deal was being worked on by then?

[legendarymatt92]

Originally Posted by segagamer12

Wait a second a few pages back I suggested the director from the Pirates and I was told no way because the last two were shot back to back and that was a BAD thing, now they are speculating the films will be shot back to back and suddenly that is a good thing? So does that mean the Pirates director is back in the running or has he been officially ruled out?

Was your choice either Gore Verbinski or Rob Marshall?

If it was Verbinski, which is more likely, there has no been no official ruling out statement but there has also been no real hint that it is him - apart from completely speculative lists, where he has been only included because he works with Disney, no more has been said. Shooting back-to-back isn't necessarily a bad thing, but does mean that the production is slightly more rushed -- that means, in the hands of a director who simply cannot speed up his process (such as Verbinski), projects tend to go over-budget and over-schedule fast, which would be a major problem with this series.

As for Marshall...I don't really need to explain why he shouldn't direct this, do I?

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by legendarymatt92

Was your choice either Gore Verbinski or Rob Marshall?
As for Marshall...I don't really need to explain why he shouldn't direct this, do I?

Well, I know one theory why Marshall directed Pirates 4 and Verbinski didn't...

(Thing is, how would Marshall get his one trademark, the burlesque line of sultry hey-big-spender girls/geishas/mermaids, into the SWU?
Unless the entertainment at Jabba's Palace has suddenly improved. )

[tigertron]

Originally Posted by legendarymatt92

Was your choice either Gore Verbinski or Rob Marshall?

If it was Verbinski, which is more likely, there has no been no official ruling out statement but there has also been no real hint that it is him - apart from completely speculative lists, where he has been only included because he works with Disney, no more has been said. Shooting back-to-back isn't necessarily a bad thing, but does mean that the production is slightly more rushed -- that means, in the hands of a director who simply cannot speed up his process (such as Verbinski), projects tend to go over-budget and over-schedule fast, which would be a major problem with this series.

As for Marshall...I don't really need to explain why he shouldn't direct this, do I?

because OST was the weakest in the POTC series?

As for shooting back-to-back, I agree. I think AWE suffered for it, but then if you look at how old Hamill, Fisher and Ford are, it may be the right decision to film them all at a faster pace.

[legendarymatt92]

Originally Posted by tigertron

because OST was the weakest in the POTC series?

As for shooting back-to-back, I agree. I think AWE suffered for it, but then if you look at how old Hamill, Fisher and Ford are, it may be the right decision to film them all at a faster pace.

That and pretty much each film he has done has had something wrong with it at some point - Nine was simply terrible and even Chicago, which I love, had flawed moments. IMO, helming such a well-known and loved series as Star Wars would just highlight those problems in his directorial style even further and make them more noticeable.

You're right about the back-to-back shooting - they've reached an age where signing contracts to come back in a couple of years to film the next instalment might be a bit problematic for them.

Originally Posted by EricJ

Well, I know one theory why Marshall directed Pirates 4 and Verbinski didn't...

(Thing is, how would Marshall get his one trademark, the burlesque line of sultry hey-big-spender girls/geishas/mermaids, into the SWU?
Unless the entertainment at Jabba's Palace has suddenly improved. )

That's one way to look at the potential benefits, I suppose . As overblown as Verbinski's projects have become, he has visual flair and produces good films in a whole range of genres. He's not right for this, but, to give credit to the man, he is right for a whole lot of other things.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by tigertron

because OST was the weakest in the POTC series?

As for shooting back-to-back, I agree. I think AWE suffered for it, but then if you look at how old Hamill, Fisher and Ford are, it may be the right decision to film them all at a faster pace.

I'll watch ON STRANGER TIDES ten more times before I watch either Pirates 2 or 3 ever again. OST is the true sequel to PIRATES 1 - it's the only one of the sequels that understood the Jack Sparrow of the 1st movie.

[segagamer12]

I guess I don't know their names but I thought all four were directed by the same guy, but I meant whoever did the first three then because I friggin loved all three of them and they fit the tone, style, and pacing of a Star Wars movie perfectly, as long as your not anti PT that is.

My favorite is still Dead Man's Chest I can't get enough of that movie, seriously I watch it like once a month. Almost as much as I watch Star Wars, in fact the pirates franchise is my number two right behind Star Wars that is the only reason why I keep wishing it will be him, nothing to do with Disney.

But if he hasn't been ruled out completely then there is still hope. I don't want a movie that looks like it was shot in the damn 80's just so it can blend in with the out dated OT, I want a modern movie that doesn't look too jarring but keeps the flavor of Star Wars alive, the video games are a good example, they don't always match the look of the original trilogy hardly at all but yet they continue to kick ass.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by segagamer12

I don't want a movie that looks like it was shot in the damn 80's just so it can blend in with the out dated OT, I want a modern movie that doesn't look too jarring but keeps the flavor of Star Wars alive, the video games are a good example, they don't always match the look of the original trilogy hardly at all but yet they continue to kick ass.

It ain't the look. It's the writing.

[legendarymatt92]

Originally Posted by segagamer12

I guess I don't know their names but I thought all four were directed by the same guy, but I meant whoever did the first three then because I friggin loved all three of them and they fit the tone, style, and pacing of a Star Wars movie perfectly, as long as your not anti PT that is.

My favorite is still Dead Man's Chest I can't get enough of that movie, seriously I watch it like once a month. Almost as much as I watch Star Wars, in fact the pirates franchise is my number two right behind Star Wars that is the only reason why I keep wishing it will be him, nothing to do with Disney.

But if he hasn't been ruled out completely then there is still hope. I don't want a movie that looks like it was shot in the damn 80's just so it can blend in with the out dated OT, I want a modern movie that doesn't look too jarring but keeps the flavor of Star Wars alive, the video games are a good example, they don't always match the look of the original trilogy hardly at all but yet they continue to kick ass.

There was a list from some website floating around that had all the directors who wouldn't direct Episode VII on it - I can't find the link now, but I'm sure Verbinski was mentioned on it, although I'm not 100% certain. PotC has the feel of Star Wars - I think mostly in the pure adventure aspect - but I'm not sure he would be right for this, with the reasons outlined and more. A newcomer would probably keep the spirit of Star Wars alive best because there would be trait of the director placed upon the text, which may be the problem with a veteran.

[tigertron]

I happen to think DMC is a worthy sequel to COTBP, but it's problem was it wasn't a stand alone film, same with AWE. I think that was the biggest mistake Disney and Verbinski made.

With POTC aside, I wouldn't mind Verbinski directing. The story/acting/whatever apart, you have to admit the films have amazing visuals. They're beautiful films and I'm sure he would do a good job with Ep. VII.

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by legendarymatt92

That and pretty much each film he has done has had something wrong with it at some point - Nine was simply terrible and even Chicago, which I love, had flawed moments. IMO, helming such a well-known and loved series as Star Wars would just highlight those problems in his directorial style even further and make them more noticeable.

Nine was a problematic musical which wasn't helped by HarvBob saying "Direct it like Chicago, so it'll get us another Oscar!" Marshall had been weighted down with lead shoes at the start of the race, so it's hard to tell where he would have gone with it--
In fact, on four films, it's rather hard to tell what exactly IS Marshall's style, apart from the obligatory girlie-show scenes. He seems to do well on a period budget, that's it.

That's one way to look at the potential benefits, I suppose . As overblown as Verbinski's projects have become, he has visual flair and produces good films in a whole range of genres. He's not right for this, but, to give credit to the man, he is right for a whole lot of other things.

Think Verbinski got TOO typecast with Big Splashy Action after Pirates 1 & 2, and that may not actually be his style--The fact that Disney usually sticks him with the Pirates writers, Ted Elliot & Terry Rossio, who've also sunk into a profitable rut knowing Disney's going to stick them with quirky Johnny Depp, doesn't help.
Apart from Mouse Hunt, the most that we've had from Gore without Ted & Terry have been the Ring remake and "Rango", and both were so indulgently creepy-weirdo muddled, it just ended up reminding you what it was like to sit through Pirates 3. WE may think he's "action", but we don't know that's necessarily what he's thinking. (It's likely Disney first hired Verbinski to do creepy skeletons atmospherically in COTBP, and then just found themselves stuck with a "gold mine" after audiences liked it. Which nobody was expecting at the time.)
As the Cassandra forced to carry around knowledge of next summer's Lone Ranger, I'm warning, if we just passed off Pirates 3 as a "bad break", that means the directorial time bomb is still ticking, and it's going to go off soon...

[segagamer12]

Originally Posted by EricJ

Nine was a problematic musical which wasn't helped by HarvBob saying "Direct it like Chicago, so it'll get us another Oscar!" Marshall had been weighted down with lead shoes at the start of the race, so it's hard to tell where he would have gone with it--
In fact, on four films, it's rather hard to tell what exactly IS Marshall's style, apart from the obligatory girlie-show scenes. He seems to do well on a period budget, that's it.



Think Verbinski got TOO typecast with Big Splashy Action after Pirates 1 & 2, and that may not actually be his style--The fact that Disney usually sticks him with the Pirates writers, Ted Elliot & Terry Rossio, who've also sunk into a profitable rut knowing Disney's going to stick them with quirky Johnny Depp, doesn't help.
Apart from Mouse Hunt, the most that we've had from Gore without Ted & Terry have been the Ring remake and "Rango", and both were so indulgently creepy-weirdo muddled, it just ended up reminding you what it was like to sit through Pirates 3. WE may think he's "action", but we don't know that's necessarily what he's thinking. (It's likely Disney first hired Verbinski to do creepy skeletons atmospherically in COTBP, and then just found themselves stuck with a "gold mine" after audiences liked it. Which nobody was expecting at the time.)
As the Cassandra forced to carry around knowledge of next summer's Lone Ranger, I'm warning, if we just passed off Pirates 3 as a "bad break", that means the directorial time bomb is still ticking, and it's going to go off soon...

I didn't know he was the guy who made The Ring, man I loved that movie.

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

I'll watch ON STRANGER TIDES ten more times before I watch either Pirates 2 or 3 ever again. OST is the true sequel to PIRATES 1 - it's the only one of the sequels that understood the Jack Sparrow of the 1st movie.

Kind of agree here. Pirates 2 and 3 were big letdowns, IMO.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by s2mikey

Kind of agree here. Pirates 2 and 3 were big letdowns, IMO.

In Curse of the Black Pearl, Jack Sparrow was a good man AND a pirate. That's what he tried to teach Turner about his father, and that's why everyone rushed to save Jack at the end. He was, in the end, a decent fellow.

In Pirates 2 and 3, Sparrow was a self-centered nutter who would screw anyone over, at any time. We really didn't care about him, because he was no longer the "good man AND a pirate". I was waiting for some scheme to be revealed in his selling of Turner to Davy Jones, but there isn't one. He sent Turner to his doom. By the end of the second film, Elizabeth has turned murderer, Jack tried to swap his mortal fate in exchange for Turner, and Turner feels betrayed by everyone. By the end of the third film, we're left with a Captain Jack who has all the moral conviction of a leaf blown by the wind.

Pirates 4 remembered who Jack was in the first film -- a good man *and* a pirate. He has loyalty, he values friends, he has a sense of injustice. The film has wonderful visuals, and good performances. It simply lacks a compelling villain that can stand next to Rush and Nighy.

[JamesKurtovich]

I'm the minority I guess, I hated the 4th POTC. I loved Jack (like always) but the rest of the characters were very weak.