Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (USE SPOILER TAGS!)

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Blu-21

Sure there is enough good stuff in ROTJ to still make it better then any of the prequels but its still obviously the weakest of the OT films by a mile.

It's not "Obvious", that's your opinion. A New Hope will always be the weakest film for me. It always tends to put me to sleep.
And RotJ is great, but The Phantom Menace still tops it for the best film in the Saga. Sadly it's so under appreciated.

Apart from Palpatine, Darth Maul was about the only good thing about TPM! He was terribly underused. My favorite orignal character out of the horrible prequels.

Don't agree. I loathe Maul as much as I loathe Boba Fett. Just mediocre characters in general. Dooku/Tyrannus was a better Sith Lord.
Darth Maul was just another character that fans love for style over substance. Just like the Fettster. I'm glad he's only a small part of TPM.

Kids movies? Well ROTJ and TPM certainly have that vibe. ANH, ESB and as much as I hate to it - even AOTC and ROTS don't feel "kiddish" or "immature".

Yes, they are kids movies. Always have been. Always will be. And Kids movies don't equal "Kiddish" or "Immature". And none of the films are.

[Blu Warrior]

Why does every Star Wars thread turn into a useless discussion over prequels, UOT, CGI, and Lucas hate? The thread is titled Disney buys Lucasfilm...Episode VII in 2015. I think people should post more on topic posts about thoughts on oh, I don't know...Disney or Episode VII.

[ahossein79]

Originally Posted by Beast

It's not "Obvious", that's your opinion. A New Hope will always be the weakest film for me. It always tends to put me to sleep.
And RotJ is great, but The Phantom Menace still tops it for the best film in the Saga. Sadly it's so under appreciated.

Don't agree. I loathe Maul as much as I loathe Boba Fett. Just mediocre characters in general. Dooku/Tyrannus was a better Sith Lord.
Darth Maul was just another character that fans love for style over substance. Just like the Fettster. I'm glad he's only a small part of TPM.

Yes, they are kids movies. Always have been. Always will be. And Kids movies don't equal "Kiddish" or "Immature". And none of the films are.

Thank you for saying what some people don't get, I am 33 and I get it that Star Wars has been always a family movie, all the other movies are family movies and if you have a problem with them marketing to a younger audience than I say TOUGH and find another movie to like because than star wars is not for you...

[octagon]

I like Disney and I hope Episode VII is good.

[Blu-21]

Originally Posted by Beast

It's not "Obvious", that's your opinion. A New Hope will always be the weakest film for me. It always tends to put me to sleep.
And RotJ is great, but The Phantom Menace still tops it for the best film in the Saga. Sadly it's so under appreciated.

Um, yes it is obvious to me that its the weakest film of the OT with critics as well as the general perception agreeing that ROTJ was fundamentally the worst of the 3 films, just like the consensuses is the same about TPM being the weakest of the prequel trilogy as well. Sorry but this is just the reality.

A New Hope might be slower paced, but that's what I love about it. It takes its time with the story and with the characters. Its a brilliant introduction to Star Wars which is the best film George Lucus has ever directed followed closely by THX1138. I love it. TPM really has more holes then Swiss cheese. Terrible script writing, annoying characters that made illogical decsions and horrible direction with CGI that hasn't aged well over time. Mr Plinkett nailed it with his review on the film, sums it up really.

Originally Posted by Beast

Don't agree. I loathe Maul as much as I loathe Boba Fett. Just mediocre characters in general. Dooku/Tyrannus was a better Sith Lord.
Darth Maul was just another character that fans love for style over substance. Just like the Fettster. I'm glad he's only a small part of TPM.

Maul was a shining light that Lucus didn't know how to deal with. The costume design was excellent, he had real genuine presence and the light saber duels have outstanding choreography even though they lack substance. Lucus later realized he made a mistake with how he handled Maul just like he did with Boba Fett. He needed more development and more dialog.

Originally Posted by Beast

Yes, they are kids movies. Always have been. Always will be. And Kids movies don't equal "Kiddish" or "Immature". And none of the films are.

I can see ROTJ and TPM being categorized as such, but I see the others more as "family films" which has a slight difference in meaning.

But yes, TPM and ROTJ have there fair share of childish stupid moments.

[NYorker]

Originally Posted by octagon

As am I. I might have otherwise gone my whole life without fully appreciating just how coarse and irritating sand can be.

Post of the thread...

[NYorker]

Lucas had some good stuff for the prequels, but he didn't know what to do with them: Darth Maul, for example - he was one of the few bright spots of TPM. He could've lasted into Ep II. Darth Tyrannus - where did he come from? why is he doing what he did? why did he say nothing when Palpatine demanded Anakin to kill him? and the romance...ugh. It could have been handled much, much, much better.

ROTJ does has it's problems, but I'll take Ewoks over Jar Jar anytime, and it did have some really great scenes...until it was forced-choked on the recent blu ray release.

I don't think Star Wars can be called a 'kid's movie' in the same sense as Free Willy or Honey I Shrunk the Kids. It's more like a movie kids can see.

Just my 2 cents.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by Blu Warrior

Why does every Star Wars thread turn into a useless discussion over prequels, UOT, CGI, and Lucas hate? The thread is titled Disney buys Lucasfilm...Episode VII in 2015. I think people should post more on topic posts about thoughts on oh, I don't know...Disney or Episode VII.

Agreed!
IF any information is released, it will be buried in pages of the movie NOT titled Episode VII(or above). All stating which is better, and why. Star Wars fans perceive themselves as some of the most entitled of all fans...thusly all the Lucas bashing. Never understood it...thankfully.

It should be called Opinion Wars: No New Hope.

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by Beast

Don't agree. I loathe Maul as much as I loathe Boba Fett. Just mediocre characters in general. Dooku/Tyrannus was a better Sith Lord.
Darth Maul was just another character that fans love for style over substance. Just like the Fettster. I'm glad he's only a small part of TPM.
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Because they weren't given a chance to show substance lol

If you don't like boba fett you you don't like life



Oh and ewoks are cool

[Riddler The Slag]

Tarantino speaks about NOT directing Star Wars.

http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/quen...-new-star-wars

[Monkey]

Originally Posted by Riddler The Slag

Tarantino speaks about NOT directing Star Wars.

http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/quen...-new-star-wars

No idea what the article says just glad it indicates "there is no chance of him directing the new star wars".

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by monkey

no idea what the article says just glad it indicates "there is no chance of him directing the new star wars".

+ 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000

[segagamer12]

Originally Posted by rickah88

Agreed!
IF any information is released, it will be buried in pages of the movie NOT titled Episode VII(or above). All stating which is better, and why. Star Wars fans perceive themselves as some of the most entitled of all fans...thusly all the Lucas bashing. Never understood it...thankfully.

It should be called Opinion Wars: No New Hope.

I been trying to keep it on topic but my posts get buried under all the bickering. I will repost what I said earlier to keep things on topic.

from earlier post that got buried.


So what does this mean for the fan made stuff and tie ins? Like will Disney suddenly crack down on stuff like Robot Chicken and all the youtube videos, those Stromtroopers who are a charity group, movies like Fanboys and Mallrats, stuff like that? I mean if Seth Green wanted to do another Robot Chicken special would it be as easy as before or would they basically tell him to take a hike? And what about the fanedit's floating around all over the place will this be the end of those? Is there any indication that they would leave this stuff alone or start cracking the whip?


I will also chime in on my hopes for the new movie.



Director- the guy who did Kick Ass has been mentioned and I kind like him but I would prefer the guy who did Pirates of Caribbean

Producer- Spielberg, this is the only place I think he really fits he should NOT be allowed to direct Star Wars ever


Returning cast- Han, Luke, Leia all older, Han and Leia cameos Luke as the new Obi Wan/Yoda type. Vader as a force ghost ONLY to tell Luke about the new impending danger coming their way. Lando honorable mention, maybe a shot of his grave or something. Chewy passes on his life debt to the Solo kids after Han is killed when the trouble starts. Boba Fett makes a return, hell if he was a ****ing clone they can justify this anyway they want. Droids, well obviously they need to be back. Jar Jar, um no thanks unless he is killed early on. On second thought please bring back Jar Jar just to kill him off so we can have closure.


NEW cast

Solo kids, I don't follow current young actors so I have no suggestions on who should play them.

Luke's wife (remember he doesn't know about the Jedi code so he doesn't know its basically forbidden)


Shia Labouf, Lukes new apprentice

the guy from Avatar, one of those bounty hunter pirate types a friend of Han's maybe his nephew or something carry on the legacy,

the guy who played Alfred in the new batmans as an old general.

if he is still alive the dude who played Wedge but as a retired vet who has to return to the fight when the new trouble gets going.

composer should be John Williams if he is up for it, if not might as well just get Danny Elfman

special appearance by Kiera Knightly
thats all I got for now.

[chad_1138]

Originally Posted by segagamer12

I been trying to keep it on topic but my posts get buried under all the bickering. I will repost what I said earlier to keep things on topic.

from earlier post that got buried.


So what does this mean for the fan made stuff and tie ins? Like will Disney suddenly crack down on stuff like Robot Chicken and all the youtube videos, those Stromtroopers who are a charity group, movies like Fanboys and Mallrats, stuff like that? I mean if Seth Green wanted to do another Robot Chicken special would it be as easy as before or would they basically tell him to take a hike? And what about the fanedit's floating around all over the place will this be the end of those? Is there any indication that they would leave this stuff alone or start cracking the whip?


I will also chime in on my hopes for the new movie.



Director- the guy who did Kick Ass has been mentioned and I kind like him but I would prefer the guy who did Pirates of Caribbean

Producer- Spielberg, this is the only place I think he really fits he should NOT be allowed to direct Star Wars ever


Returning cast- Han, Luke, Leia all older, Han and Leia cameos Luke as the new Obi Wan/Yoda type. Vader as a force ghost ONLY to tell Luke about the new impending danger coming their way. Lando honorable mention, maybe a shot of his grave or something. Chewy passes on his life debt to the Solo kids after Han is killed when the trouble starts. Boba Fett makes a return, hell if he was a ****ing clone they can justify this anyway they want. Droids, well obviously they need to be back. Jar Jar, um no thanks unless he is killed early on. On second thought please bring back Jar Jar just to kill him off so we can have closure.


NEW cast

Solo kids, I don't follow current young actors so I have no suggestions on who should play them.

Luke's wife (remember he doesn't know about the Jedi code so he doesn't know its basically forbidden)


Shia Labouf, Lukes new apprentice

the guy from Avatar, one of those bounty hunter pirate types a friend of Han's maybe his nephew or something carry on the legacy,

the guy who played Alfred in the new batmans as an old general.

if he is still alive the dude who played Wedge but as a retired vet who has to return to the fight when the new trouble gets going.

composer should be John Williams if he is up for it, if not might as well just get Danny Elfman

special appearance by Kiera Knightly
thats all I got for now.

In the words of the new Episode 6 Vader: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[stvn1974]

Shia Labouf shouldn't be anywhere near theses films. I would go as far as not even let him within a hundred yards of any theater showing the films. He can wait for blu-ray.

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by chad_1138

In the words of the new Episode 6 Vader: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

http://nooooooooooooooo.com/

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[Ernest Rister]

Producer- Spielberg, this is the only place I think he really fits he should NOT be allowed to direct Star Wars ever

He already did.

[Duffy12]

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Thursday, November 08, 2012

Does STAR WARS: EPISODE VII Have It's Writer? Spielberg To Review Treatment??


Things are developing fast to get STAR WARS: EPISODE VII fully written and in the hands of would-be directors. Apparently Disney and Lucasfilm have found a writer they have confidence in to at least be involved in fleshing out the full storyline, if not the main writing contributor. Using George Lucas' existing material of course.

And that writer is Oscar winner Michael Arndt (TOY STORY 3, OBLIVION, THE HUNGER GAMES: CATCHING FIRE, LITTLE MISS SUNSHINE) a so-called STAR WARS expert. Further, Arndt's 40-50 page treatment that he has supposedly already churned out will be read by none other than Steven Spielberg (on our list already), Brad Bird (an interesting potential choice) and J.J. Abrams (I really have to say I hate this idea).

All this speculation comes from Vulture and it's all the more powerful as they do collaborate our exclusives that are already out there, namely Spielberg's interest and that the studios want the top line cast from the original STAR WARS to return. FirstShowing seems to back up Arndt as the guy too.



What Vulture's source had to say:

"Sources also tell Vulture that the studio’s brass want to bring back the three central characters of the original Star Wars: a much older Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, and Han Solo. No deals are in place with any of the original actors, though our source did say it had high ambitions to sign up Mark Hamill, and EW recently reported that Harrison Ford was open to the idea of returning."

Exactly what we reported last week.


Personally I think this might be the guy to take the existing material from Lucasfilm and George himself and flesh out Episodes VII and perhaps onward. He seems to have the chops (Oscar winner for LITTLE MISS SUNSHINE and nominated for TOY STORY 3), the connections (Pixar, owned by Disney) and the passion (an expert on the STAR WARS dogma). I guess the real question is why would Arndt NOT be a good candidate?

And please, no Abrams on this thing. In fact, it doesn't even make sense that Vulture's source lists him. He's already entrenched in STAR TREK - a competing universe to STAR WARS - and it always has been. It's treacherous to talk about him even in my mind.

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[Blu Warrior]

I'd be very happy if Spielberg gets to direct.

[legendarymatt92]

Originally Posted by segagamer12

I been trying to keep it on topic but my posts get buried under all the bickering. I will repost what I said earlier to keep things on topic.

from earlier post that got buried.


So what does this mean for the fan made stuff and tie ins? Like will Disney suddenly crack down on stuff like Robot Chicken and all the youtube videos, those Stromtroopers who are a charity group, movies like Fanboys and Mallrats, stuff like that? I mean if Seth Green wanted to do another Robot Chicken special would it be as easy as before or would they basically tell him to take a hike? And what about the fanedit's floating around all over the place will this be the end of those? Is there any indication that they would leave this stuff alone or start cracking the whip?


I will also chime in on my hopes for the new movie.



Director- the guy who did Kick Ass has been mentioned and I kind like him but I would prefer the guy who did Pirates of Caribbean

Producer- Spielberg, this is the only place I think he really fits he should NOT be allowed to direct Star Wars ever


Returning cast- Han, Luke, Leia all older, Han and Leia cameos Luke as the new Obi Wan/Yoda type. Vader as a force ghost ONLY to tell Luke about the new impending danger coming their way. Lando honorable mention, maybe a shot of his grave or something. Chewy passes on his life debt to the Solo kids after Han is killed when the trouble starts. Boba Fett makes a return, hell if he was a ****ing clone they can justify this anyway they want. Droids, well obviously they need to be back. Jar Jar, um no thanks unless he is killed early on. On second thought please bring back Jar Jar just to kill him off so we can have closure.


NEW cast

Solo kids, I don't follow current young actors so I have no suggestions on who should play them.

Luke's wife (remember he doesn't know about the Jedi code so he doesn't know its basically forbidden)


Shia Labouf, Lukes new apprentice

the guy from Avatar, one of those bounty hunter pirate types a friend of Han's maybe his nephew or something carry on the legacy,

the guy who played Alfred in the new batmans as an old general.

if he is still alive the dude who played Wedge but as a retired vet who has to return to the fight when the new trouble gets going.

composer should be John Williams if he is up for it, if not might as well just get Danny Elfman

special appearance by Kiera Knightly
thats all I got for now.

I agree with basically nothing in this post, apart from the old cast coming back and Michael Caine being a great actor. I don't mean to be harsh or anything but you're listing actors/directors that I personally don't agree with - Gore Verbinski is a good director, but his epic films become over-bearing and pretentious too easily, and Matthew Vaughn's style really wouldn't mess well with the SW ideas. There's no way Shia LeBeouf should be let anywhere near this - he won't as he's becoming more "adult" with the new Lars Von Trier film anyway - and Knightly shouldn't have any appearances, because we don't want this becoming another PotC instalment.

John Williams should do the music but, if he doesn't feel he can, someone who can imitate his style should - definitely not Elfman, who has his own unique feel that would certainly not work with this.

As I said, don't mean to belittle you, and I'm sure many others may agree with what you say, but it's not what I feel.