Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (USE SPOILER TAGS!)

[segagamer12]

Originally Posted by octagon

Just a quick reminder to those inclined to throw out the n-word in these threads: this particular lunchroom does not have a cool table. I'm really sorry but it just doesn't.

Carry on.

I don't mean to offend, I just prefer the term nerd to geek.

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by segagamer12

I don't mean to offend, I just prefer the term nerd to geek.

(They're not the same thing, you know: "Nerd" implies public social stumbling in a quest for acceptance, while "Geek" implies a sequestered love of knowledge.
A Star Wars "nerd", for example, actually fantasizes about Slave Girl Leia and brings his plastic lightsaber to local cineplex showings, while a Star Wars "geek" would ask why they didn't include the deleted birth-of-the-Alliance scene in the final cut of ROTS.)

[octagon]

Originally Posted by segagamer12

I don't mean to offend, I just prefer the term nerd to geek.

Whatever term you settle on, just remember that it applies to everybody.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by EricJ

(They're not the same thing, you know: "Nerd" implies public social stumbling in a quest for acceptance, while "Geek" implies a sequestered love of knowledge.
A Star Wars "nerd", for example, actually fantasizes about Slave Girl Leia and brings his plastic lightsaber to local cineplex showings, while a Star Wars "geek" would ask why they didn't include the deleted birth-of-the-Alliance scene in the final cut of ROTS.)

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[Angel Eyes]

Originally Posted by Beast

I wouldn't entirely agree with that. Of course it doesn't exactly resemble the TV Shows. Neither did most of the theatrical films before. Because what works in a weekly TV Show doesn't really work in a Motion Picture. It still captured the feel of Star Trek, it just updated it for a new generation.

Plus it managed to make Kirk not only a likeable character but also a decent character. Which it deserves major props for.

Kirk was already likeable and a decent character long before JJ did Star Trek.

[aiman04]

There were originally 12 episodes, now that Disney mentioned they're making more films, all of them could be a reality. Plus other stand alone films.

http://starwarsblog.starwars.com/ind...s-vii-viii-ix/

George Lucas' biographer has seen the treatments and this is his comments:

“It was originally a 12-part saga. The three most exciting stories were 7, 8 and 9. They had propulsive action, really interesting new worlds, new characters. I remember thinking, ‘I want to see these 3 movies.’”

http://www.thewrap.com/movies/column...xclusive-63006

[Clark Kent]

Basically Disney is going to turn it into the never-ending franchise, mark my words. Warner got eight blockbuster movies out of Harry Potter, which was really only popular with children and teens. Star Wars hits all demographics and will be milked to death.

[aiman04]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

Basically Disney is going to turn it into the never-ending franchise, mark my words. Warner got eight blockbuster movies out of Harry Potter, which was really only popular with children and teens. Star Wars hits all demographics and will be milked to death.

I think that is exactly what they meant in the press release:

".. Star Wars Episode 7 is targeted for release in 2015, with more feature films expected to continue the Star Wars saga and grow the franchise well into the future."

They're not hiding their intentions. After the 12 episodes of the Skywalker saga (presumably), they will continue to make standalone films.

As for Episode VII, Jon Favreau is possible, he worked with Lucasfilm before for Clone Wars. But I still think it could be Joe Johnston.

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

Basically Disney is going to turn it into the never-ending franchise, mark my words. Warner got eight blockbuster movies out of Harry Potter, which was really only popular with children and teens.

And then, only because seven (+1) books had been concretely written on paper.
Like Disney, Warner had contracted the option to create new original continuing movies (and, of course, write novelization books from them), but as of date, they......haven't yet.
And given the momentum to end the series on Deathly Hallows Pt. 2, I'm not waiting up nights.

[legendarymatt92]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

Basically Disney is going to turn it into the never-ending franchise, mark my words. Warner got eight blockbuster movies out of Harry Potter, which was really only popular with children and teens. Star Wars hits all demographics and will be milked to death.

Yeah and...that's kinda alright with me. They'll ruin the franchise, that's for sure, because, when you reach a certain number of films centred around the same concept, the magic is lost. But, for the times when they (hopefully) capture that fantastical sense of adventure that the originals had, it'll have been worth it.

Disney are probably the best studio that could have handled this - they're used to big blockbusters, they seem to pick the right directors for the right jobs and they know all about family entertainment (which, however you look at it, is pretty much what Star Wars is). Disney pretty much deliver with everything they churn out (yes, even the PotC sequels!) and they make some damn good films to boot, and they understand the fantasy behind movies better than some other companies. Roll on 2015.

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

Basically Disney is going to turn it into the never-ending franchise, mark my words. Warner got eight blockbuster movies out of Harry Potter, which was really only popular with children and teens. Star Wars hits all demographics and will be milked to death.

No doubt.

But I am hoping more along the lines of the James Bond films. Just make three films with certain major characters, then switch them out with others for the next three(brief cameos are permitted), and the carousel goes around and around and around.

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[binarymelon]

Originally Posted by EricJ

Like Disney, Warner had contracted the option to create new original continuing movies (and, of course, write novelization books from them), but as of date, they......haven't yet.

I don't think Rowling would have ever agreed to that.

[legendarymatt92]

Originally Posted by EricJ

Like Disney, Warner had contracted the option to create new original continuing movies (and, of course, write novelization books from them), but as of date, they......haven't yet. .

Do you have references for this?

I'm pretty sure that one of the stipulations in the contract signed by both parties was that Warner Bros. could only make as many films as there were books. Since Rowling was still writing at the point when the deal was sealed, there was an indeterminable amount of books that could be written - she has stated in interviews that she originally envisioned the series could be as many as twelve books long. I remember discussing with my film studies tutor that, although Rowling got a ridiculously low price for her books to begin with, she made an important decision in stopping the release of more films.

Do you seriously think that, if Warner Bros. had the rights to continue making HP films, they wouldn't have released two more already? I can't ever see them holding out on those rights, especially when they know there's such a huge fanbase practically begging for more.

[Will21st]

Originally Posted by legendarymatt92

Do you have references for this?

I'm pretty sure that one of the stipulations in the contract signed by both parties was that Warner Bros. could only make as many films as there were books. Since Rowling was still writing at the point when the deal was sealed, there was an indeterminable amount of books that could be written - she has stated in interviews that she originally envisioned the series could be as many as twelve books long. I remember discussing with my film studies tutor that, although Rowling got a ridiculously low price for her books to begin with, she made an important decision in stopping the release of more films.

Do you seriously think that, if Warner Bros. had the rights to continue making HP films, they wouldn't have released two more already? I can't ever see them holding out on those rights, especially when they know there's such a huge fanbase practically begging for more.

Yeah,after $7.7 Billion gross you'd think they'd churn 'em out Book or not. My uneducated guess would be you're right and WB can't make more Movies....

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by legendarymatt92

Do you have references for this?

Do you seriously think that, if Warner Bros. had the rights to continue making HP films, they wouldn't have released two more already? I can't ever see them holding out on those rights, especially when they know there's such a huge fanbase practically begging for more.

Warner got marketing rights for the movie iconography, and--using Disney's definition of sequels as "character marketing"--publicly bragged that that loophole would allow them to make original non-Rowling movies.
And yes, they wouldn't have: The kids are too old, there's no more story to tell after graduation, and the marketing peaked with the finale. Warner was doing the bragging around the time of the 6th book and 5th movie (at which point seven books were an established fact), which might be one explanation for why JK was circulating those "Will I, or won't I? " rumors about killing Harry off in Book 7--Think she wanted to see them sweat.

[AmrlKJaneway]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

Basically Disney is going to turn it into the never-ending franchise, mark my words. Warner got eight blockbuster movies out of Harry Potter, which was really only popular with children and teens. Star Wars hits all demographics and will be milked to death.

Are you unhappy about this? We all know that NONE of them will be as good as the UOT, but it won't make us forget our childhood with those films. If anything, it will give more kids happy memories.

Mine will sit through an entire prequel, but only watch MOST of ROTJ. The other two they'll abandon in minutes.

But, milking it to death won't be a bad thing. The originals will always exist, and be released on blu, and 4k, and 8k, and neuro-biological implant, and we'll keep buying them and watching them on bigger and bigger screens, and every now and again get to go to the cinemas to see some new farce with AMAZING special effects and our kids will have the time of their lives!

Then we get all the fun of complaining about it on the internet. Admit it, it's fun!

What type of milked products would everyone like to see?
Star Wars history?
Star Wars in it's own distant future?
Star Wars galaxy vs. The Milky Way?
Particular character biopic?

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by legendarymatt92

Do you have references for this?

Do you seriously think that, if Warner Bros. had the rights to continue making HP films, they wouldn't have released two more already? I can't ever see them holding out on those rights, especially when they know there's such a huge fanbase practically begging for more.

Warner got marketing rights for the movie iconography, and--using Disney's definition of sequels as "character marketing"--publicly bragged that that loophole would allow them to make original non-Rowling movies.

And yes, they wouldn't have: The kids are too old, there's no more story to tell after graduation, the marketing peaked with the finale, and any on-paper ideas of "The Next Class" would've seemed too sad and Pirates-4 for Warner too invest that much money in after the critical credentials that DH2 had established.
Warner was doing the bragging around the time of the 6th book and 5th movie (at which point seven books were an established fact), which might be one explanation for why JK was circulating those "Will I, or won't I? " rumors about killing Harry off in Book 7--Think she wanted to see them sweat.

[Afrobean]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

Basically Disney is going to turn it into the never-ending franchise, mark my words.

Your tone suggests this is a bad thing.

But is it?

If fans want it and they can always get talent behind the pictures, why not keep making more and more of them?

Disney's animated canon has been on-going since 1937's Snow White. There has been occasional lulls, but if they had put an end to it, we would have never seen Tangled or Wreck-It Ralph. Or how about the Bond films. If they had stopped producing those, we would have never gotten Casino Royale, Quantum of Solace, or the upcoming Skyfall. And Batman. Batman, Batman, Batman. There would be no The Dark Knight if WB hadn't turned the property into a never-ending franchise. We wouldn't have even gotten Burton's Batman if WB hadn't decided to reboot the whole thing after the Adam West stuff was long finished.

It's not like Star Wars isn't ALREADY a never-ending franchise. Books, comics, video games, TV shows, etc. This thing is already unending. Why not keep doing films if there is demand and they're going to keep doing all of the extended universe stuff anyway? Clearly the Universe isn't actually sacrament. There are plenty more stories to be pulled from that Universe, it'd be all too easy to grab a good writer and a good director and churn out a bunch of great films.

[KOTORninja]

Originally Posted by Afrobean

Your tone suggests this is a bad thing.

But is it?

If fans want it and they can always get talent behind the pictures, why not keep making more and more of them?

Disney's animated canon has been on-going since 1937's Snow White. There has been occasional lulls, but if they had put an end to it, we would have never seen Tangled or Wreck-It Ralph. Or how about the Bond films. If they had stopped producing those, we would have never gotten Casino Royale, Quantum of Solace, or the upcoming Skyfall. And Batman. Batman, Batman, Batman. There would be no The Dark Knight if WB hadn't turned the property into a never-ending franchise. We wouldn't have even gotten Burton's Batman if WB hadn't decided to reboot the whole thing after the Adam West stuff was long finished.

It's not like Star Wars isn't ALREADY a never-ending franchise. Books, comics, video games, TV shows, etc. This thing is already unending. Why not keep doing films if there is demand and they're going to keep doing all of the extended universe stuff anyway? Clearly the Universe isn't actually sacrament. There are plenty more stories to be pulled from that Universe, it'd be all too easy to grab a good writer and a good director and churn out a bunch of great films.

The problem with a never ending franchise is, somewhere down the line, it will cease to become what made it special in the first place. You think the prequels are bad? [I personally enjoy the prequels] Just wait until another dozen Star Wars movies are made. By that time, Star Wars theater releases will be a thing of the past. Star Wars movies will eventually be made for T.V.

[aiman04]

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