HDR Discussion Thread

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

....an official DV-approved mastering monitor (Sony BVM-X300, Dolby Maui or Pulsar)

Not to nitpick the phrasing but to be a bit more clear with the wordage in case some get the wrong idea, there is no certification or approval process per se by Dolby for the monitors. Dolby has a ‘recommended’ minimum specification for professional monitors for mastering HDR content, which is -

1,000 Nits peak brightness
.005 Nits black levels
200,000 : 1 contrast ratio
P3 minimum color gamut
SMPTE 2084 EOTF

Several monitors are offered in the market that meet these minimum specs and state in their marketing literature "qualifies as a Dolby Vision mastering monitor". This simply means that they meet Dolby’s recommended minimum spec. If one doesn’t have access to a Dolby Pulsar, 2nd generation HDR mastering monitors are looking good, ex.

FSI XM310K - http://www.flandersscientific.com/XM310K/
Enzio CG3145 - https://www.eizo.com/products/coloredge/cg3145/

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by PaulGo

Good question! Penton-Man do you know how Dolby licenses DV for the distribution of Blu-ray discs?

Yes, but I can’t tell you anything related to DV licensing especially when one of the boxes is “Dolby Vision for Ultra-HD Blu-ray Specification Document” since



as per bottom of page – https://www.dolby.com/us/en/professi...fessional.aspx

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by DisplayCalNoob

Well, it's inevitable. Dolby Cinema has started popping up on movie advertisement billboards and movie trailers. Once the connection is made between the two for casual consumers that don't frequent boards discussing HDR tech. Dolby Vision and Dolby Atmos will be on your Q10FN.

Everyone is on board with HDR, it is getting better and better every year.
But not everyone is on board with Dolby Vision.

The best is yet to come. When 4K front projectors get Dolby Vision that'll be the day.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

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To re-experience the event and the Top Gun movie starring Lt. Pete Mitchell, tickets go on sale Sept.12, 2018…..https://www.midway.org/exhibits-acti...-days/top-gun/

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[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Wish you would post over at the Digital V Physical section as backup. I have been saying this for years. People don’t realise that films are at risk and our most beloved hobby could disappear. People blindly back digital not realising the true intentions of the big players imo.

In this future, HDR becomes irrelevant. Time people woke up to digital and the possibility of no more films at home.

That is a scary prospect

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

That is a scary prospect

It is, and if you are a film fan and lover of HQ, you owe it to yourself to keep away from digital. All the talk of 4k and HDR and i think we have bigger issues coming with mobile and short form about to dominate the landscape. We can't bury our heads in the sand. Digital is the enemy.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

It is, and if you are a film fan and lover of HQ, you owe it to yourself to keep away from digital. All the talk of 4k and HDR and i think we have bigger issues coming with mobile and short form about to dominate the landscape. We can't bury our heads in the sand. Digital is the enemy.

Also notice that the next step seems to be taking away the Digital Copy from the UHD/BD releases

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Also notice that the next step seems to be taking away the Digital Copy from the UHD/BD releases

Yep.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Yep.

What can possibly be the reason of taking away digital codes from the UHD/BD, if not to drive up sales of digital at the expenses of physical media?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

What can possibly be the reason of taking away digital codes from the UHD/BD, if not to drive up sales of digital at the expenses of physical media?

Exactly that. Anyway, you can carry on the discussion in the other thread if you want. I don’t want to hijack here any longer.

[LordoftheRings]

It's always good to learn, Penton is all for. It's all HDR related, even digital copies.

Speaking of HDR: https://www.techhive.com/article/328...fn-review.html

The only thing missing is 3D, and Dolby Vision.
But fear not if your main source of movies is Disney 4K Blu-rays, and that you're using Samsung TV's internal speakers, or a Samsung sound bar.

[LordoftheRings]

"Will you be on the lookout for the HDR10+ logo on your next video purchase? Will the free licensing incentive of HDR10+ ultimately be the demise of Dolby Vision or will they still peacefully coexist?"
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Bonus: http://www.areadvd.de/tests/special-...er-hersteller/


HDR10+ is being pushed, and many companies support it, it's free, they don't need to pay tariffs to Dolby or anyone else. Best is to support both, like the new Panasonic 4K Blu-ray players...for example.

* I revisited 'The Avengers' last night, in 3D (BR); it was ok, no HDR with this baby.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

"Will you be on the lookout for the HDR10+ logo on your next video purchase? Will the free licensing incentive of HDR10+ ultimately be the demise of Dolby Vision or will they still peacefully coexist?"
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Bonus: http://www.areadvd.de/tests/special-...er-hersteller/


HDR10+ is being pushed, and many companies support it, it's free, they don't need to pay tariffs to Dolby or anyone else. Best is to support both, like the new Panasonic 4K Blu-ray players...for example.

* I revisited 'The Avengers' last night, in 3D (BR); it was ok, no HDR with this baby.

HDR10+ is not free. They just have a different license fee structure.

[gkolb]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

"Will you be on the lookout for the HDR10+ logo on your next video purchase? Will the free licensing incentive of HDR10+ ultimately be the demise of Dolby Vision or will they still peacefully coexist?"
_____

Bonus: http://www.areadvd.de/tests/special-...er-hersteller/


HDR10+ is being pushed, and many companies support it, it's free, they don't need to pay tariffs to Dolby or anyone else. Best is to support both, like the new Panasonic 4K Blu-ray players...for example.

* I revisited 'The Avengers' last night, in 3D (BR); it was ok, no HDR with this baby.

Were you quoting Heat at the top of this post?

[LordoftheRings]

Audioholics

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

HDR10+ is not free. They just have a different license fee structure.

Way of speech...you know.

I care, very.
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Nuff said.

[PaulGo]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Yes, but I can’t tell you anything related to DV licensing especially when one of the boxes is “Dolby Vision for Ultra-HD Blu-ray Specification Document” since as per bottom of page – https://www.dolby.com/us/en/professi...fessional.aspx

Before I asked you I tried to to research this and it was sort of going into a brick wall. I did read in general Dolby has two licensing plans one is a flat rate and another is by unit sales but absolutely nothing about DV Blu-ray licensing. On the other hand HDR10+ licensing looks dirt cheap.

Brands need only pay a relatively small, annual administration fee to sport the HDR10+ logo. Content creators, such as Amazon, Warner, and Fox don’t have to pay a cent.

https://www.audioholics.com/news/hdr...-certification

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Not to nitpick the phrasing but to be a bit more clear with the wordage in case some get the wrong idea, there is no certification or approval process per se by Dolby for the monitors. Dolby has a ‘recommended’ minimum specification for professional monitors for mastering HDR content, which is -

1,000 Nits peak brightness
.005 Nits black levels
200,000 : 1 contrast ratio
P3 minimum color gamut
SMPTE 2084 EOTF

Several monitors are offered in the market that meet these minimum specs and state in their marketing literature "qualifies as a Dolby Vision mastering monitor". This simply means that they meet Dolby’s recommended minimum spec. If one doesn’t have access to a Dolby Pulsar, 2nd generation HDR mastering monitors are looking good, ex.

FSI XM310K - http://www.flandersscientific.com/XM310K/
Enzio CG3145 - https://www.eizo.com/products/coloredge/cg3145/

If that's about as wrong as my post got then I'm doing okay

[jibucha]

no (Dolby Vision) - no (Avengers)

• perhaps, but as a direct consequence, i will not be purchasing 'any' of the UHD Avengers titles, as without Dolby Vision, they're not worth 'anything' to me
• i will simply choose titles of interest to me that are in Dolby Vision (it's that important to me - picture quality that is - and, how it affects my appreciation of a title - significantly so)

Originally Posted by PaulGo

Perhaps based on the number of DV Blu-ray players sold Disney did not feel the investment in producing a DV disc was worth it.

[mrtickleuk]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

What these wireless companies want to do is not favor watching a HBO show that lasts an hour or more, but something that is shorter, like a chapter in a story. Kinda reminds me of how soaps operate on daytime TV. I think it's a fascinating tact to get people more addictive to cell phones and step further away from what you and me desire which is HDR based film content such as in movies.

I don't think it's fascinating as if it's inert: these are powerful people - I think the idea is extremely alarming and unwelcome.