Archived: Ask the Insiders: Judgment Day Edition

[TheRealBob]

Originally Posted by scott1256ca

Someone was asking for info on shoot em up
The disk is > 45G
I don't know the structure of BD disks but
1 file, 00007.m2ts is 19.8G
another
00019.m2ts is 14.1G
I don't know if these two together are all of the main feature. The main feature may be the 19.8G file for all I know.
I hope that helps

I don't know how they break down the main film and special features into files. Not letting total ignorance stop me, though, if the 19.8 GB file is the main feature, for an 86-minute movie that is an average of 33 Mbps (which would include the audio). If it's the 14.1 GB file, then that would give us 23 Mbps. If it's both combined (it's not, since there are special features, but...), then that would give us 62 Mbps.

The movie may actually span both files, so it would be some portion of 62 Mbps minus the audio. I guess with my limited knowledge I can only nail it down to somewhere between 0 Mbps and 62 Mbps.

Maybe someone knows this stuff better can figure it out, but offhand I'd say with the special features it seems to have (a decent amount but not a ton), and the fact that it's taking a full 45 GB, I'm guessing the BD-level numbers shown by the PS3 have some basis in fact.

[DaViD Boulet]

http://forums.highdefdigest.com/show...postcount=2074

it's just hard to stay silent.

Originally Posted by amirm

And then we have to look at why they don’t use their real name. When pushed to explain, Talk said that he doesn’t want to use his real name because his company and the government (!) may not like what he is saying on the forum! These are the exact words he used. Do you really want the sources of information to have this kind of caveat attached to their posts? Doesn’t this make it easy for them then to promote rumors and theories that are completely false without the checks and balances that would keep them from doing so?

Dear moderators... please let Amir know that "insiders" are independently verified by the forums in question and are permitted to maintain their anonymity for the obvious reasons that should not need explanation. I thought it was common knowledge that insiders are verified by avs and blu and hi-fi-digest but maybe nobody told Amir?

Look, I actually enjoy the fact that they are afraid to use their real name. It is great source of pride for me that I work for a company where they are OK with me participating the way I do. And the fact that over 5 years of doing this, I haven't been fired or reprimanded once in any way or shape for my participation in these forums. And that when BDA companies escalate my posts to top execs of the company, they support me in my stance here as they have on a number of occasions. I walk with my head up high, being able to do what I do.

It's comforting to know that Microsoft didn't reprimand you when you stated that 50GB BD was unlikely to ever see production reality just days before the first commercial 50GB disc was released, or that they didn't mind you falsely stating that all HD DVDs used the VC-1 codec. Perhaps other companies aren't so generous with misinformation from their own insiders...



In all fairness Amir, take issue with the information that known-insiders are providing if you have just cause to call their statements into question, as they do yours when they feel the same. That can be done without attempting to create a subversive and falsely-based notion that BD insiders aren't... well... insiders.

[stockstar1138]

amir got one thing right. that meeting from MS's point of view had nothing to do with hd dvd. They gave up on it, they were trying to get exclusive download contracts out of hd dvd. Sounds to me like neither an hd dvd or download deal was reached and Amir is now scared of whats going to happen and how bad he is going to look.


Hey Amir, how is your demotion treating you?

[mykevermin]

Is it really even worthwhile to dignify what Amir is saying about Penton?

Whether working at Sony or Vidal Sassoon, he was well ahead of the curve on Chris Cookson's position change - making any charge moot.

[krinkle]

Originally Posted by malwa

Arim just called out most of the blu-ray insiders in one post. He basically said you guys are liars. total garbage.



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Originally Posted by theflux View Post
If a person using a pseudonym posts factual information, does that make it less factual somehow?
If they provide no way for you to verify their information independently, then yes, it does make it less factual. And it may take it as far as fiction. I have seen countless things mentioned by them, where I have personal and first-hand data to be false.

The court system is a good way to look at this as they search for the truth in their dealings (OK, no jokes here ). What do they do at the start of hearing? Have you introduce yourself. Can you imagine a jury believing someone who doesn’t even tell you their name, let alone who they work for and at what level, so that the veracity of the information can be ascertained?

And then we have to look at why they don’t use their real name. When pushed to explain, Talk said that he doesn’t want to use his real name because his company and the government (!) may not like what he is saying on the forum! These are the exact words he used. Do you really want the sources of information to have this kind of caveat attached to their posts? Doesn’t this make it easy for them then to promote rumors and theories that are completely false without the checks and balances that would keep them from doing so?

Again, look at this thread. They talk about a HD DVD PRG group meeting as if it had anything remotely to do with Warner making a decision to change. If you knew these guys, you would know that they would have no way of knowing what that meeting is about since they would not be invited to it. But since you don’t know them, you can’t make that call.

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Obviously you can't always trust a masked man, but I have noticed that often you attack their anonymity rather than their information directly.
That is an unfair and incorrect characterization. I go after their information 99% of the time. That is what I did in this thread. Go and read the first posts. And I have done the same in AVS. But the last 1% has to do with who they are. If their claim is preposterous, then the only argument back is to question who they are to know what they know. That is the price they pay for wearing a mask and shooting from behind a fence.

Besides, they take advantage of the situation by putting me and my employer in bad light all the time (the words Microsoft and a-man are used more than any other names I am sure). Yet, by hiding their identity, they don’t give a chance for people to question their bias. What if I told you that Penton works for Sony or is a hairdresser who hears conversations from his customers and repeats them. Would you put equal weight to what he says in both cases?


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Take everything with a grain of salt, and remember that even people posting/speaking under their real names have nothing stopping them from lying to you.
Really? You read the same forums I do? I have yet to see a BD fan take anything Penton says with a grain of salt. If anything, if he says something, they believe it 10 times more. If there is something I don't understand is why folks act that way and not the way you say when they don't even know what these people do.
Look
, I actually enjoy the fact that they are afraid to use their real name. It is great source of pride for me that I work for a company where they are OK with me participating the way I do. And the fact that over 5 years of doing this, I haven't been fired or reprimanded once in any way or shape for my participation in these forums. And that when BDA companies escalate my posts to top execs of the company, they support me in my stance here as they have on a number of occasions. I walk with my head up high, being able to do what I do. So by all means, have them continue wearing their mask. It is you all who are not served by them doing so, not me….

Wow Amir is really getting personal in his attacks on our insiders. Seems like he has sour grapes about something.

Luckily I am in the oil and gas industry so can say quite freely that Amir is one of the most arrogant, deceptive, selfish, megalomaniacal personalities I've ever encountered.

He has done a true disservice to home theater and film enthusiasts these last few years and should be ashamed.

[Talkstr8t]

Originally Posted by john_nemesh

The secret to Wifey's home theater happiness is a well programmed remote! Try a Logitech Harmony if you haven't yet, or better still, get someone to program a URC or RTI remote for your rig, it will be worth EVERY PENNY!

In fact I picked up a Harmony 880 two weeks ago, then after vetting that it could also drive my cranky Olevia bedroom TV picked up a second one (good sale at Best Buy right now - $149). It's taken lots of effort to get it where I want (especially regarding the Home Media Gallery on my Pioneer VSX-94TXH), but I'm truly impressed by the flexibility, and wifey should be coming around once she sees that things actually work for more than a day at a time! It's also nice because I can tweak how things are connected without having to update her on the details.

- Talk

[mattym]

Talk does it not annoy you that the MS exinsider says such things about you and others? or are you the bigger man(so to speak) and just rise above it?
Do you have any tasty morsels of BD gossip you can share?

[JadedRaverLA]

Welcome back, Talk! How's it feel to be back amongst friends?

[Talkstr8t]

Originally Posted by Mr_Bester

Is there any chance the BDA would consider going directly to Toshiba? If they would stop making players, the format war would end faster than if Warner or another studio switches.

Lots of BDA companies have dealings with Toshiba. But if they're willing to lose hundreds of millions pursuing HD DVD, it's unlikely a reasonable deal could be put together to persuade them to drop HD DVD sooner than their board and/or shareholders will (ignoring the fact that any such deal would almost certainly be a gigantic anti-trust violation).

[blitz6speed]

If Amir needs something to do, he can come wash my car. Im sure with all the time he has being re-assigned to the downstairs storage room without his Swingline Stapler has him going batty. Amir, i will even get you the Mr Clean Eazy Washing System that doesnt require drying. Let me know, kthxbye.

[elwaylite]

Honestly, at this point everyone should ignore Amir. He's a proven BD fud spreader and is really not worth anyones time. Why worry with the guy.

If anyone is stupid enough to believe his "im just a good guy doing a good thing" routine, let em.

[Talkstr8t]

Originally Posted by mattym

Talk does it not annoy you that the MS exinsider says such things about you and others? or are you the bigger man(so to speak) and just rise above it?

I haven't been following the thread over there, so no chance to reply, but I'm about to respond to the comment regarding me having said I'm anonymous due to fears of the government - I have no idea where he got that one from, he must be cracking from the pressure.

Do you have any tasty morsels of BD gossip you can share?

There are few morsels to share in advance of CES, I'm afraid - everyone's keeping them close to the vest for CES itself.

[JAGUAR1977]

Originally Posted by krinkle

Wow Amir is really getting personal in his attacks on our insiders. Seems like he has sour grapes about something.

Luckily I am in the oil and gas industry so can say quite freely that Amir is one of the most arrogant, deceptive, selfish, megalomaniacal personalities I've ever encountered.

He has done a true disservice to home theater and film enthusiasts these last few years and should be ashamed.

It's coming to something when it's becoming hard to discern posts from HD insiders from well known HD-DVD FUD spreaders that have been publically humiliated and discredited time and again.

[Talkstr8t]

Originally Posted by Azumi

Apple is the computer company with the biggest influence in Hollywood (Pixar, Disney, iTunes...), and Steve Jobs could probably run any film studio if he ever decided to quit its company.

So, can this influence play a role, particularly within the film studios? Would the new WB management be more willing to listen to Steve Jobs rather than Toshiba and Bill Gates?

Given Jobs status at Disney I'd be surprised if he'd attempt to personally influence Warner to any great extent, especially since there's no indication Jobs is personally supportive of optical media, let alone BD.

[undrafted]

Amir built his career over his supposed "success" with HD DVD. Expect him to get bitter if that all evaporates over the next couple months. I don't see the need to post wholesale sections of another forum's thread on this insider thread.

[TheRealBob]

Originally Posted by mykevermin

Is it really even worthwhile to dignify what Amir is saying about Penton?

Whether working at Sony or Vidal Sassoon, he was well ahead of the curve on Chris Cookson's position change - making any charge moot.

Well...to play HD DVDevil's Advocate...Penton hinted at the change, using initials, and someone right away pulled up the Chris Cookson story on a news site and asked if that was what he was referring to. Penton confirmed it was and said he didn't realize the story was already out there.

NOTE THAT I DON'T PERSONALLY BELIEVE THAT PENTON GOT THE STORY FROM THE NEWS SOURCE AND WAS TRYING TO PASS IT OFF AS INSIDER INFO. I'm just saying the HD DVD crowd could point out that insider knowledge wasn't necessary at the time Penton reported the story, so it doesn't by itself prove anything.

Personally, I don't see what is gained by going to other forums, collecting trash they post there, and tossing it into this forum. It's one thing when a question or challenge is posed at another forum and it is brought here for discussion so a good response can be made. It's another thing when people repost Amir flaming Penton and suggesting he may be a hairdresser.

[gearyt]

Originally Posted by phloyd

Amir proves only that you can reveal your real name, and employment and still be a sack of sh!t who seeks to mislead through fractional truths and the occasional outright lie.

Reality will eventually show who has credibility and who has not.

and.... His company knows he is spreading lies under their approval !!
what an embarassment

[stockstar1138]

hey talk, welcome back!

nice to know that there is some good stuff you can't tell us about CES. means we are in for some GOOD suprises.

Do you expect CES to be very mundane for blu-ray or do you think we are going to come out of it going WOW! THAT WAS AWESOME!?

[monkyman]

Enough with the Amir crap, we all know he is a douche bag, but to keep throwing what he said at our insiders is not nessesary. Let our insiders do their jobs and try not to keep stirring this pot.

Penton, Paid, Talk, Max, Kjack and the others, WE admire what you do for us. This is your home.

[RickD]

Originally Posted by TheRealBob

Personally, I don't see what is gained by going to other forums, collecting trash they post there, and tossing it into this forum. It's one thing when a question or challenge is posed at another forum and it is brought here for discussion so a good response can be made. It's another thing when people repost Amir flaming Penton and suggesting he may be a hairdresser.

I agree. Personally I think it is in bad taste to post that crap here in our insider's thread.

Rick