Pacific Rim 4K UHD (2013)

[bytor]

What Del Toro says here is why I decided against going to the 3D version in the theater, I figured it would make these giant things look small.

"I didn't want to make the movie 3D because when you have things that big ... the thing that happens naturally, you're looking at two buildings lets say at 300 feet [away], if you move there is no parallax. They're so big that, in 3D, you barely notice anything no matter how fast you move ... To force the 3D effects for robots and monsters that are supposed to be big you are making their [perspective] miniaturized, making them human scale"

But a lot of people have said it's a reference 3D disc so I am going to check it out eventually. I watched the UHD of it last year and was blown away by the HDR, so it will be interesting to see which one I ultimately prefer.

It's a tough choice with movies like this though where 3D is a post-converted afterthought. I mean with something like Avatar that was shot natively for 3D, I have no interest in a UHD version. 3D is how the director intended it to be viewed so it makes the choice easy for me. But then you have stuff like the Marvel movies where a lot of effort was put into the 3D, but it's not native so it's not necessarily the director's intended and preferred way of viewing it.

[The Beast Within]

Originally Posted by bytor

What Del Toro says here is why I decided against going to the 3D version in the theater, I figured it would make these giant things look small.

"I didn't want to make the movie 3D because when you have things that big ... the thing that happens naturally, you're looking at two buildings lets say at 300 feet [away], if you move there is no parallax. They're so big that, in 3D, you barely notice anything no matter how fast you move ... To force the 3D effects for robots and monsters that are supposed to be big you are making their [perspective] miniaturized, making them human scale"

But a lot of people have said it's a reference 3D disc so I am going to check it out eventually. I watched the UHD of it last year and was blown away by the HDR, so it will be interesting to see which one I ultimately prefer.

It's a tough choice with movies like this though where 3D is a post-converted afterthought. I mean with something like Avatar that was shot natively for 3D, I have no interest in a UHD version. 3D is how the director intended it to be viewed so it makes the choice easy for me. But then you have stuff like the Marvel movies where a lot of effort was put into the 3D, but it's not native so it's not necessarily the director's intended and preferred way of viewing it.

It is a post-convert, but apparently Del Toro supervised it himself to ensure the quality of it. I loved every minute of it, and I find it hard to imagine watching it in 2D again.

[Geoff D]

The 3D is supoib, but I like the HDR version a heck of a lot too. I don't currently own the 3D so it's UHD or bust!

[ShePearl]

This is one of the very best showcase for HDR.
Having watched both (this and Uprising) on Samsung Q9FN and LG OLED E9, I prefer the first one (I think the first one is better movie, too).

Uprising in Dolby Vision looks incredible, too. But first one being mainly in night time with all that flashy lighting effects, brings higher perceived contrast than bright (daytime) Uprising.

I only wish first one had Dolby Vision. Probably, this and Prometheus are my top two HDR10 titles which I wish for DV.

[Geoff D]

Ironically it's only got a very, very small increase in highlight detail over the SDR version, but as they've opened up the lower end - revealing much more shadow detail than the SDR - and pumped up dat brightness it still pops like a mofo.

[eddievanhalen]

Isn't Pacific Rim mastered at 4000 nits? I like HDR but I don't like HDR movies that look like a Christmas tree because an agressive use of HDR.
The improvement on resolution over the SDR BD is barely visible.
Since I got the Panasonic DP-UB420 I watch this on SDR BT.2020,that's Wide Color Gamut which is the HDR feature I like the most, without HDR.

[Geoff D]

Mastering display is 4000 nits (Pulsar), MaxCLL is something like ~2400 nits.

[ShePearl]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Ironically it's only got a very, very small increase in highlight detail over the SDR version, but as they've opened up the lower end - revealing much more shadow detail than the SDR - and pumped up dat brightness it still pops like a mofo.

Not necessarily ironic. As it may not be all about highlight details. Besides, this movie is in night time dark. I agree with you though. I haven't seen this in SDR but wow, this is an amazing disk and makes me wanting for more in DV.

[Geoff D]

It is to me, because highlight range is item #1 on my HDR checklist. PR is the sort of grade that's very good at faking it, providing almost no extra highlight information but giving it a huge boost in brightness and saturation over the SDR and it's for that reason that it's almost universally beloved because it'll 'pop' on pretty much every TV.

I say 'almost' because it's the sort of grade where you've got a limited amount of specular detail living in 2000+ nits of peak brightness, so if you're watching it on a TV that prefers to clip the range to preserve average viewing brightness then you can end up losing highlights that are plainly visible on the SDR version. Evidence of that is way back in this thread and I recently had a PM from someone enquiring about this phenom as well.

NOT that I would "prefer the BD" as some seem to think I'd do just because I'm criticising a UHD, as PR's HDR grade brings back a significant amount of lowlight information compared to the incredibly dense, shadow-sucking blacks on the SDR master, so to me it's worth it for that alone. It's not that SDR can't do black detail, of course it can, it's just the way that the grading cookie crumbled this time around.

[define]

can anyone confirm me that the french 4k has italian tracks like bluray.com wrote?

[Vangeli]

Just watched this again for the first time in like a year and woof, after so many very refined UHDs this looks lurid.

It’s definitely bright and vivid and fun but not even close to being a showcase disc anymore.

[Mierzwiak]

Nah, I would say it's still an amazing showcase disc for color and contrast.

As for the range not being expanded in comparison to SDR, but just stretched? OK, but what exactly are the rules?

I guess there aren't any, that's why we have grades like The Mandalorian or Black Hawk Down. I don't know much about how much range can be squezzed in SDR, but it looks like there are different approaches to it, just like to HDR.

[Eschenpod]

Originally Posted by Mierzwiak

Nah, I would say it's still an amazing showcase disc for color and contrast.

Agree completely.

[bradnoyes]

It’s a great showcase disc for my friends who are into video games.

[trekky76]

Still is a good showcase disc but has surprisingly less dynamic range in some scenes than the blu-ray picture. It is one of the early discs so could've been done better now but somehow I doubt WB would bother to release this nowadays.

[marcocolo]

I would say that even thought this is "only" a 2K DI, it's one of the most amazing 4K discs in my whole collection.

[BrownianMotion]

Originally Posted by marcocolo

I would say that even thought this is "only" a 2K DI, it's one of the most amazing 4K discs in my whole collection.

It's probably time to add some better looking discs to your collection.

[levcore]

Originally Posted by bradnoyes

It’s a great showcase disc for my friends who are into video games.

I'm not sure this is a good compliment for a movie.

[marcocolo]

Originally Posted by BrownianMotion

It's probably time to add some better looking discs to your collection.

Have you looked at my collection?!? It's right there for all to see.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by trekky76

Still is a good showcase disc but has surprisingly less dynamic range in some scenes than the blu-ray picture. It is one of the early discs so could've been done better now but somehow I doubt WB would bother to release this nowadays.

No, it's got as much as the Blu-ray in the highlights, if people are seeing worse highlight retention in the UHD then that's on their TV's tone mapping.