4K Blu-ray Confirmed, Coming in

[KubrickKurasawa]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Well, that’s some mighty attractive pricing especially for the 70” model given how the human visual system functions – https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ze#post9667384

I’m not really familiar with Vizio TVs as I’m used to looking at reference grade ($$) displays at work and at home for years ( https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...05#post9740242 ) and while at work, contemplating more nuanced problems associated with their viewing but, if Vizio doesn’t show a greater % of *bad* (meaning defective for one reason or another) ‘P’ series displays due to poor Quality Control/Assurance as compared to the other more prestigious television manufactures (and if that were to occur, AV social media doesn’t find out and highlight it on sites like Amazon, Best Buy, Costco, etc.), I’d have to say it appears Vizio now is holding a winning hand in this consumer display arena.

Personally, the downside for my family as Sony shareholders is that Sony is already planning on canceling dividends for the full year I suspect and I can’t see this price slashing competition from Vizio helping out that particular situation ….if anything, could extend the no dividend payouts even longer.

Yeah I agree Sony is FANTASTIC with their displays from what I've always seen since the 90's. It wouldn't surprise me if these Vizio's have a dead pixel or 2 and the whites/blacks aren't the greatest.

But what they obviously have going for them is a 4k 50 inch under 1G, and 70" probably half price of the higher end big boys like Sony. Honestly I can handle 1 bad pixel and slight white bleeding on total black.

Now do I prefer it? HECK NO, but is it worth saving 1-2.5 thousand usd for one blown pixel, and/or slight bleeding? Perhaps so. The only time I can notice a dead pixel from 8-10 feet away is on total bright white all screen, but those other enhancements of 4k would more than make up for a blown pixel/slight bleeding imo. I say that because TV's now days are going to last the average consumer less time than in the past, and they'll upgrade more frequently. It's all relative.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by KubrickKurasawa

Yeah I agree Sony is FANTASTIC with their displays from what I've always seen since the 90's. It wouldn't surprise me if these Vizio's have a dead pixel or 2 and the whites/blacks aren't the greatest.

But what they obviously have going for them is a 4k 50 inch under 1G, and 70" probably half price of the higher end big boys like Sony. Honestly I can handle 1 bad pixel and slight white bleeding on total black.

Now do I prefer it? HECK NO, but is it worth saving 1-2.5 thousand usd for one blown pixel, and/or slight bleeding? Perhaps so. The only time I can notice a dead pixel from 8-10 feet away is on total bright white all screen, but those other enhancements of 4k would more than make up for a blown pixel/slight bleeding imo. I say that because TV's now days are going to last the average consumer less time than in the past, and they'll upgrade more frequently. It's all relative.

You know, after you posted those prices, I’m tempted to purchase one of those 70 inchers for a TV-less room in our place down in S.D. to which we recently added on an addition. It might be a damn good cuddling TV esp. for watching a Blu-ray movie on a chilly night after an active outdoors day.

I have a 10% off Best Buy coupon which I picked up at the local post office awhile ago which has not yet expired, does anyone know if that coupon is valid for the Vizio ‘P’ in California or is there some sort of unilateral minimum resale price restriction for these new Vizio 4K displays in my state?

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I think it’s blogger and internet forum fashionable by non-owners to denigrate 4K; whereas not so with esoteric audio upgrades even though they also require some financial expenditure for new equipment upgrades in order to implement it (Atmos).

I think the difference is that audio only affects "accessories" and so not as "scary" to most of those people. What I mean is that I am sure most (if not all) of us know other people that don't have surround sound in their homes and probably use the TV speakers, I am also sure most of us here (if not all) don't have a proper 7.2 set-up in every room with a display in our homes. On the other hand there is no TV watching without the display and so it does affect everyone. I doubt you can go out and buy a brand new SD or ED TV, and even 720p Tvs are relegated to the smaller crappier brands of TVs. So sooner or later 4k will reach more or less everyone while Atmos probably wont. So I see it a bit natural (even though I don't agree) that people see 4k as a bigger threat to their wallet.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

...So I see it a bit natural (even though I don't agree) that people see 4k as a bigger threat to their wallet.

Then they'll hate articles like this....http://www.businessinsider.com.au/4k...-growth-2014-9

[steve1971]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Then they'll hate articles like this....http://www.businessinsider.com.au/4k...-growth-2014-9

I dont hate that article. As a matter of fact I find it interesting reading. 4K for Blu ray and streaming I can see but I highly doubt you will ever see 4K broadcast channels. Hell some channels are still broadcasting in 720p and very few are broadcasting in 1080i. All I see with Comcast HD is 720p and 1080i and their so called 1080p On Demand movies are so compressed its laughable. But again good article Penton and interesting reading.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by steve1971

4K for Blu ray and streaming I can see but I highly doubt you will ever see 4K broadcast channels.

ever is a very long time so for me such comments never make sense. But it is definitely not coming in any serious way anytime soon.

[steve1971]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

ever is a very long time so for me such comments never make sense. But it is definitely not coming in any serious way anytime soon.

Thats what I was meaning to say Anthony.....my bad.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

tempted to purchase...

“mighty tempting”, so says this Forbes contributor in the last paragraph -
http://www.forbes.com/sites/marcochi...ream-adoption/

b.t.w., does anyone know of any *professional* consumer reviews out yet where they’ve checked to see if this TV is capable of supporting a 10-bit image (and how good that image looks) by actually generating a 10-bit gradient and testing from there, rather than blindly accepting any advertised specs?

[img eL]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

b.t.w., does anyone know of any *professional* consumer reviews out yet where they’ve checked to see if this TV is capable of supporting a 10-bit image (and how good that image looks) by actually generating a 10-bit gradient and testing from there, rather than blindly accepting any advertised specs?

No but check this out

http://www.streamingmedia.com/Articl...ink-97544.aspx

[bailey1987]

Does anybody know the situation with 3D? From what I gather HEVC still hasn't implemented profiles that can encode 3D, never mind profiles that can do 3D at 10 bit with HDR, HFR, Rec 2020 and 4K per eye. Imagine that.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by img eL

No...

Then Stacey Spears needs to come out with a new calibration disc for those not familiar in the how-to’s of generating their own 10bit gradients for testing such a parameter.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by img eL

...but check this out

http://www.streamingmedia.com/Articl...ink-97544.aspx

Contrary to the blogger’s presumption...actually, ‘Hollywood’ has been rather reluctant in advocating BT.2020 colorimetry since Day 1 as correctly recognized by Richard - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...p3#post9642200

[Richard Paul]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

Does anybody know the situation with 3D? From what I gather HEVC still hasn't implemented profiles that can encode 3D, never mind profiles that can do 3D at 10 bit with HDR, HFR, Rec 2020 and 4K per eye. Imagine that.

The 3D HEVC profiles are still in development and should be officially approved in the summer of 2015.

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Contrary to the blogger’s presumption...actually, ‘Hollywood’ has been rather reluctant in advocating BT.2020 colorimetry since Day 1 as correctly recognized by Richard - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...p3#post9642200

Yeah, Hollywood would have been happier with DCI since it would have been easier for them. Movies will continue to use DCI P3 for several more years until the DCI standard is updated. The first videos people will see that use BT.2020 will probably be demo videos that show off butterflies, stained glass windows, neon lights, and other colorful objects. After that will be TV series, computers, and video game consoles. Movies will take a while since it would require movie theaters to replace their projectors.

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

The 3D HEVC profiles are still in development and should be officially approved in the summer of 2015.

Then it's safe to say 2160p blu-Rays will launch 2D only. I view 2D 2160p as a downgrade versus 3D 1080p so I hope 3D gets added on later

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

Movies will continue to use DCI P3 for several more years until the DCI standard is updated...

Main thing on the plate now is successfully switching from interop to SMPTE DCPs....and helping theaters to do it without problems.

[singhcr]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Main thing on the plate now is successfully switching from interop to SMPTE DCPs....and helping theaters to do it without problems.

Interop to SMPTE? Do these organizations have different DCP standards?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by singhcr

Interop to SMPTE? Do these organizations have different DCP standards?

I don’t want to derail the main topic of this thread but the Cliff Notes version is that, to date, most DCPs are distributed in the Interop-DCP format. The design of these packages adheres to a “standard” that has become common practice, which some might argue would be better described as an *informal, non-standardized content packaging method*. Ergo, the industry is attempting to move to the formal SMPTE (Society of Motion Picture and Television Engineers) standards. This mainly impacts the servers, not the projectors.

Past history is that Interop DCP was the initial implementation put together by the DCI (http://www.dcimovies.com/). For one reason or another, after the digital cinema rollout, studios were incentivized to not improve upon the specification, or at least to do so at a glacially slow pace because, you see, if the specification is changed in a manner which leads to upgrades in installed and already approved equipment, studios could be responsible for the associated costs, dependent upon contractual arrangements with the deployment entities and theater owners.

SMPTE is more proactive and a bit less *politically* restrained. The SMPTE DCPs represent improvement and refinement (audio tracts, extended captioning support, scroll to mid-page - https://www.smpte.org/publications/wallcharts , etc.) in comparison to the legacy interop-DCP format. But there’ve been bugs to work out.

[SethRex]

I'm so glad I now picked up my Seiki 39" 4K Ultra HD tv. It may not be a smart TV and stuff but it looks and sounds GREAT. And now I'm set for 4K.

[Canada]

I heard that they BDA are at least contemplating using the same amount of storage space as current Blu-ray's. I hope to heaven that this isn't the case. I hope they use BDXl.

[Kirsty_Mc]

Originally Posted by Canada

I heard that they BDA are at least contemplating using the same amount of storage space as current Blu-ray's. I hope to heaven that this isn't the case. I hope they use BDXl.

I would imagine they would possibly use a 50 GB disc for a shorter feature and make a saving. This may be the same as currently is the case with 25 GB discs, if the content doesn't justify a larger capacity disc, then a lower capacity one will suffice.