News: displays and their technologies

[EddieLarkin]

Originally Posted by wxman2003

I only notice near black issues on my E6 with compressed feeds such as streaming. With UHD and BD, not an issue, even after adjusting 5IRE luminance which lowers near black gamma to bring out more detail. Not a perfect solution, but one that does help.

Plus a 4.5 year old screen with no pink tint at 100% and no banding even at 3%. I would dare say it looks better in regards to screen uniformity compared to the newer models.

Do you watch in a 100% light controlled room? I see plenty of near black issues on all but the very best encoded discs, unless I turn the room lights on heh. Set is calibrated too.

[wxman2003]

Originally Posted by EddieLarkin

Do you watch in a 100% light controlled room? I see plenty of near black issues on all but the very best encoded discs, unless I turn the room lights on heh. Set is calibrated too.

I watch in a totally dark room. Maybe because my OPPO 103D does such a good job with BD, and the Panny 9000 with UHD, I don't notice any issues.

Also maybe because i went into service menu, lowered sub brightness to 127, then raised brightness 1 click, followed by adjusting 5 IRE reduced the issue.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by wxman2003

I watch in a totally dark room. Maybe because my OPPO 103D does such a good job with BD, and the Panny 9000 with UHD, I don't notice any issues.

Also maybe because i went into service menu, lowered sub brightness to 127, then raised brightness 1 click, followed by adjusting 5 IRE reduced the issue.

While I'd do exactly that sort of nerdy shit to remedy issues like that, I'm not sure it strictly counts as "my OLED is great!" when you've had to fiddle with it in that way, because 99.999% of owners won't touch the service menu. Same goes for ASBL, my god that'd wind me up. It's less of an issue on some sets and is outright defeatable on LGs in the service menu, but that the aforementioned majority of non-tinkering OLED owners have been putting up with it for all these years boggles my mind. I guess they just figure it's normal, I mean nothing "perfect" can have flaws, can it?

[EddieLarkin]

Can't be anything to do with your players because I'm using the exact same models.

I'll make the same changes in the service menu and see how it improves things. Thanks!

[wxman2003]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

While I'd do exactly that sort of nerdy shit to remedy issues like that, I'm not sure it strictly counts as "my OLED is great!" when you've had to fiddle with it in that way, because 99.999% of owners won't touch the service menu. Same goes for ASBL, my god that'd wind me up. It's less of an issue on some sets and is outright defeatable on LGs in the service menu, but that the aforementioned majority of non-tinkering OLED owners have been putting up with it for all these years boggles my mind. I guess they just figure it's normal, I mean nothing "perfect" can have flaws, can it?

I agree with you. I am a nerd who spent time reading about ways to "fix" the older OLEDS to produce near better blacks, stop ASBL, etc. The average consumer shouldn't have to jump through hoops trying to make their tv look better. With the 2016 OLEDs, most were the nerds buying them at $4000, so there is lots of info on tweaks. Now the price has dropped where the general consumer will buy them and they should not be going into the service menu to tweak things like still being done with the CX.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by EddieLarkin

Can't be anything to do with your players because I'm using the exact same models.

I'll make the same changes in the service menu and see how it improves things. Thanks!

I dare say that the "lights on" thing you mentioned is the reason why most folks put up with these issues, it's because they can't even see them with the curtains open and sunlight streaming in and bouncing off the TV. It makes a mockery of the "perfect black" mantra in the process, it's also the reason why LCD's poor black levels aren't usually noticed by said folks.

[wxman2003]

Originally Posted by EddieLarkin

Can't be anything to do with your players because I'm using the exact same models.

I'll make the same changes in the service menu and see how it improves things. Thanks!

Not all E6's react the same. Some had better panels than others and were better at masking near black issues. So don't get your hopes up too high

[EddieLarkin]

Originally Posted by wxman2003

Not all E6's react the same. Some had better panels than others and were better at masking near black issues. So don't get your hopes up too high

No worries, I'm replacing the damn thing with an HZ2000 as soon as some stock gets into the UK again (current estimate is next month). I'll be keeping the E6 for 3D though, which thankfully really helps mask the near black issues amongst other things that annoy me about the set.

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by farerb

Is microLED going to be the next big thing or is it going to be the QD-OLED?

Hopefully. I purchased my 65'' C8 OLED with the thought in mind to replace it with Micro-LED. No need for me to purchase a new OLED every year or so when you don't get any major improvements each year. OLED has basically plateaued already.

Micro-LED is going to be a game-changer.

[Farerb]

So if I have a capable LED TV (NU8000), should I wait for micro-LED before upgrading?

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

LEDs are literally the worst and most unnatural source of light. With current technology, it’s impossible for Micro LED to look anywhere near as good as OLED, even if they have superior brightness, etc.

Nothing about OLED will be superior to Micro-LED. OLED will be officially obsolete when Micro-LED hits the market. We will be giving our OLED sets to the Salvation Army and Goodwill once Micro-Led drops.

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by farerb

So if I have a capable LED TV (NU8000), should I wait for micro-LED before upgrading?

Hold on to it unless something is wrong with it. Wait for Micro-LED. OLED and QLED are stopgaps anyway.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by farerb

So if I have a capable LED TV (NU8000), should I wait for micro-LED before upgrading?

Can you afford to wait at least 5 years - probably closer to 7 and spend around $5000 for a 75"?

[Farerb]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Can you afford to wait at least 5 years - probably closer to 7 and spend around $5000 for a 75"?

My TV works fine now and I don't expect it to break in the near future so waiting is possible, though I get jealous with people talking about their high end displays lol.
Money should not be an issue but who knows what will happen in 5-7 years from now. Though wouldn't they make them in 55''-65''?

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by farerb

My TV works fine now and I don't expect it to break in the near future so waiting is possible, though I get jealous with people talking about their high end displays lol.
Money should not be an issue but who knows what will happen in 5-7 years from now. Though wouldn't they make them in 55''-65''?

You shouldn't get jealous. Fools and their money soon depart. I owned Pioneer Kuro for about 12 years, I still have it. TV's built well will last. TV's are not iPhones, they shouldn't be upgraded every year like you see some people doing. Heck, even iPhones shouldn't be upgraded every year. There was a time when people kept their TV's for 10 years, now some are upgrading every year or two.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by farerb

My TV works fine now and I don't expect it to break in the near future so waiting is possible, though I get jealous with people talking about their high end displays lol.
Money should not be an issue but who knows what will happen in 5-7 years from now. Though wouldn't they make them in 55''-65''?

Samsung has shown two consumer based Micro LED displays: 110" for $156,000 now available and a prototype 75" (no price revealed). Both are 4K not 8K





As far as smaller sizes - maybe sometime in the future. People are buying bigger TVs. That trend isn't going to change.

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by Auditor55

Nothing about OLED will be superior to Micro-LED. OLED will be officially obsolete when Micro-LED hits the market. We will be giving our OLED sets to the Salvation Army and Goodwill once Micro-Led drops.

Micro LED won’t even be superior to a Sony BVM CRT, yet alone any OLED. As for popularity, I’m sure people will eat it up.

[DDH]

Aledia, French Developer of Next-Generation MicroLED Displays For High-Volume Consumer Markets, Announces it Has Produced its First Nanowire Chips on 300mm Silicon Wafers Using CEA-Leti Pilot Lines
https://www.ledinside.com/node/31763

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

Of course it’s nitpicking. If we are going to nitpick then LCD (in all iterations) in general is a horrible nonsense of a technology. Washed out ugliness. Yet LCD owners just love to nitpick OLED.

Disagree. As an ex-owner of 2 Panasonic DX902 (LED-LCD), I miss them every bit as I love my current Panasonic OLED. I was fortunate to do a side by side of DX and Philips 2019 OLED, and they were neck and neck. Remember, DX902 is the only consumer LED-LCD that can do 880 nits full field sustained for minutes and almost 0 cd/m2 blacks.

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

Micro LED won’t even be superior to a Sony BVM CRT, yet alone any OLED. As for popularity, I’m sure people will eat it up.

OLED isn't as good as BVM CRT

Once again, Micro-LED is superior to OLED in every way. It's way more advanced.