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Jay Mammoth · 03-18-2023, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Panson

^^^^^^^
Leading the way in QD-OLED burn-in.

Exactly, LG are the ones that lead the way in OLED tech. Samsung doesn’t even support DV

Better in Blu · 03-19-2023, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay Mammoth

Exactly, LG are the ones that lead the way in OLED tech. Samsung doesn’t even support DV

Samsung is dead to me without DV

I DO BLU · 03-19-2023, 03:57 AM

Wow the give me Dolby vision or die crowd is out in force. The greatest thing ever invented

Jay Mammoth · 03-19-2023, 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by I DO BLU

Wow the give me Dolby vision or die crowd is out in force. The greatest thing ever invented

No one said that

but look at some UHDs like Shouts Halloween and Halloween II where the DV layer diminishes the encoding problems of the HDR layer. Plus you know it’s 2023, DV should be supported.
I was laughing at the Samsung is leading the way in OLED technology, that is hilarious.

I DO BLU · 03-19-2023, 04:26 AM

At best it’s a little improvement yes some are better than others but it’s not the best thing ever invented like some of the dv evangelicals think it is. No dv is the same on different tvs all tvs do it different. It just asinine to be closed minded like that.

Jay Mammoth · 03-19-2023, 04:52 AM

Samsung defenders are just as bad. When the Halloween II UHD came out a lot of people were complain about a glitch in the hot tub scene which I never noticed, turns out the DV layer pretty much fixed it. Greatly improved the encoding problems that are on the plain HDR layer.

I DO BLU · 03-19-2023, 05:02 AM

That’s fair like I said being narrow minded is asinine there are people still buying 1500 blu ray players that have two dead formats dvd audio and sacd but will criticize formats they say are dead makes no sense. No display no tv no format is perfect.

oddbox83 · 03-19-2023, 01:47 PM

I think it's totally fair if someone absolutely rules out Samsung TVs for no DV. When you're paying a lot of money for a TV, it makes sense to have a few ground rules based on personal preference.

We've done this argument so many times, but Jay has pretty much got it. That's why I would never touch a TV without DV these days, because there are way too many examples of manky HDR10 encodes where DV improves it.

nick4Knight · 03-19-2023, 04:35 PM

I think it's absurd to say its dead without DV. However. I say that and someone who'd get both a LG OLED with MLA, and the Samsung QD 55" because a) Sony is expensive, b) only comes in 65 in my market. Boo!

Seriously I can get both sets on sale price for the standard price of a single Sony 65. And eff that considering I could use one in the study on grading/demo (probly QD OLED). Maybe if Sony sell the 55 in australia this year... Not holding my breath!

The only thing giving me pause for the plan is LG on the G3 not having the service menu capability. That's a big ding. I hate the dim down features not being in my control for times I want critical viewing.

I DO BLU · 03-19-2023, 07:29 PM

Samsung is the #1 selling brand so it may be dead to you but not the average person which is what matters to them.

Samsung is the leader in the global television (TV) set market with a share of 19.6 percent in terms of sales volume in 2022. LG and TCL take second place with 11.7 percent in the same year. While LG's market share decreaed, TCL's market share underwent a growth, up from 11.5 percent in 2021.

samlop10 · 03-19-2023, 09:30 PM

Samsung is the TV leader in sales, but definitely not in quality. They just do such a good job with marketing, that since the average consumer doesn’t know any better, they decide to go with Samsung.

Jay Mammoth · 03-19-2023, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by samlop10

Samsung is the TV leader in sales, but definitely not in quality. They just do such a good job with marketing, that since the average consumer doesn’t know any better, they decide to go with Samsung.

Yep the average consumer goes with the picture with more punch, they don’t care about accuracy.

I DO BLU · 03-19-2023, 10:30 PM

Even Vincent said with the Sony vs Samsung qd Oled is it worth a 1000 more for Dolby vision?

MisterXDTV · 03-19-2023, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by I DO BLU

Samsung is the #1 selling brand so it may be dead to you but not the average person which is what matters to them.

Samsung is the leader in the global television (TV) set market with a share of 19.6 percent in terms of sales volume in 2022. LG and TCL take second place with 11.7 percent in the same year. While LG's market share decreaed, TCL's market share underwent a growth, up from 11.5 percent in 2021.

Yeah, with cheap discount models....

Show me the Premium segment sales numbers

When you reach the premium segment, Samsung horrible processing and terrible QC make it the worst possible choice...

If I lived in the US, I would buy an Hisense or a TCL before Samsung...

Lee A Stewart · 03-19-2023, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

Yeah, with cheap discount models....

Show me the Premium segment sales numbers

When you reach the premium segment, Samsung horrible processing and terrible QC make it the worst possible choice...

If I lived in the US, I would buy an Hisense or a TCL before Samsung...

It's a moot point because the Premium TV market is a fraction of the total TV sales market.

I DO BLU · 03-19-2023, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

Yeah, with cheap discount models....

Show me the Premium segment sales numbers

When you reach the premium segment, Samsung horrible processing and terrible QC make it the worst possible choice...

If I lived in the US, I would buy an Hisense or a TCL before Samsung...

And none of them are premium TVs so as lee said moot point

Yogi6807 · 03-20-2023, 02:38 AM

Personally about Samsung I think the worst thing about their cheap TVs is the soap opera effect they have. I don’t have a large sample to look at but it made scenes look like they were shot with no effects whatsoever. They looked raw. Lg has soap opera effect but it’s not like what I saw. I still don’t like it but it doesn’t do whatever that is to the tv or movies I am watching. To think people are watching picture modes with without changing it scares me.

MisterXDTV · 03-20-2023, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by I DO BLU

And none of them are premium TVs so as lee said moot point

Check out the Hisense U9DG (Dual-Layer LCD) or the Mini-LED UH8 and tell me they are not premium models...

And those even have Dolby Vision support unlike Samsung

I DO BLU · 03-20-2023, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

Check out the Hisense U9DG (Dual-Layer LCD) or the Mini-LED UH8 and tell me they are not premium models...

And those even have Dolby Vision support unlike Samsung

So since it has Dolby vision it’s premium now?

hisense is not a premium brand period it’s a cheap discount brand as you say.

MisterXDTV · 03-20-2023, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by I DO BLU

So since it has Dolby vision it’s premium now?

hisense is not a premium brand period it’s a cheap discount brand as you say.

????

Check the reviews for the models I said....

03-20-2023, 02:38 AM	#1257
Yogi6807 Member Member since:Feb 2021 Location:Florida	Personally about Samsung I think the worst thing about their cheap TVs is the soap opera effect they have. I don’t have a large sample to look at but it made scenes look like they were shot with no effects whatsoever. They looked raw. Lg has soap opera effect but it’s not like what I saw. I still don’t like it but it doesn’t do whatever that is to the tv or movies I am watching. To think people are watching picture modes with without changing it scares me. Last edited by Yogi6807; 03-20-2023 at 02:52 AM.

03-19-2023, 03:57 AM	#1243
I DO BLU Special Member Member since:Oct 2007	Wow the give me Dolby vision or die crowd is out in force. The greatest thing ever invented

03-19-2023, 04:26 AM	#1245
I DO BLU Special Member Member since:Oct 2007	At best it’s a little improvement yes some are better than others but it’s not the best thing ever invented like some of the dv evangelicals think it is. No dv is the same on different tvs all tvs do it different. It just asinine to be closed minded like that.

03-19-2023, 04:52 AM	#1246
Jay Mammoth Blu-ray Champion Member since:Mar 2011 Location:Buffalo NY Home Theater Gallery:5 4K collection:583 Blu-ray collection:1607 DVD collection:63 iTunes collection:14 Prime collection:1 Trading Score:24	Samsung defenders are just as bad. When the Halloween II UHD came out a lot of people were complain about a glitch in the hot tub scene which I never noticed, turns out the DV layer pretty much fixed it. Greatly improved the encoding problems that are on the plain HDR layer.

03-19-2023, 05:02 AM	#1247
I DO BLU Special Member Member since:Oct 2007	That’s fair like I said being narrow minded is asinine there are people still buying 1500 blu ray players that have two dead formats dvd audio and sacd but will criticize formats they say are dead makes no sense. No display no tv no format is perfect.

03-19-2023, 01:47 PM	#1248
oddbox83 Blu-ray Champion Member since:Sep 2013 Location:UK	I think it's totally fair if someone absolutely rules out Samsung TVs for no DV. When you're paying a lot of money for a TV, it makes sense to have a few ground rules based on personal preference. We've done this argument so many times, but Jay has pretty much got it. That's why I would never touch a TV without DV these days, because there are way too many examples of manky HDR10 encodes where DV improves it.

03-19-2023, 04:35 PM	#1249
nick4Knight Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Dec 2013 Location:Perth, Australia Home Theater Gallery:6 4K collection:386 Blu-ray collection:716	I think it's absurd to say its dead without DV. However. I say that and someone who'd get both a LG OLED with MLA, and the Samsung QD 55" because a) Sony is expensive, b) only comes in 65 in my market. Boo! Seriously I can get both sets on sale price for the standard price of a single Sony 65. And eff that considering I could use one in the study on grading/demo (probly QD OLED). Maybe if Sony sell the 55 in australia this year... Not holding my breath! The only thing giving me pause for the plan is LG on the G3 not having the service menu capability. That's a big ding. I hate the dim down features not being in my control for times I want critical viewing.

03-19-2023, 07:29 PM	#1250
I DO BLU Special Member Member since:Oct 2007	Samsung is the #1 selling brand so it may be dead to you but not the average person which is what matters to them. Samsung is the leader in the global television (TV) set market with a share of 19.6 percent in terms of sales volume in 2022. LG and TCL take second place with 11.7 percent in the same year. While LG's market share decreaed, TCL's market share underwent a growth, up from 11.5 percent in 2021.

03-19-2023, 09:30 PM	#1251
samlop10 Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Dec 2010 Location:Austin TX Home Theater Gallery:53 4K collection:1041 Blu-ray collection:3901 DVD collection:9 Blu-ray reviews: 59 Trading Score:1	Samsung is the TV leader in sales, but definitely not in quality. They just do such a good job with marketing, that since the average consumer doesn’t know any better, they decide to go with Samsung.

03-19-2023, 10:30 PM	#1253
I DO BLU Special Member Member since:Oct 2007	Even Vincent said with the Sony vs Samsung qd Oled is it worth a 1000 more for Dolby vision?

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