News: displays and their technologies

[Pagey123]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Yep, looks like the Zed is staying put for another year.

Who's Zed? Zed's not dead baby...Zed's not dead.

[unberechenbar]

Originally Posted by lgans316

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/focus.p...&id=1643099190

Interesting that the A95K didn't dim itself after the home menu was displayed for a while unlike the A90J.

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by unberechenbar

Interesting that the A95K didn't dim itself after the home menu was displayed for a while unlike the A90J.

And it's not a big deal as long as it doesn't dim while watching movies

[Brahmzy]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Yep, looks like the Zed is staying put for another year.

Need to get you an 83A90J. Unbelievable display. Just had a $2K price drop and I couldn’t resist. This thing is jaw-dropping. Crazy bright for an OLED, big and beautiful.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Brahmzy

Need to get you an 83A90J. Unbelievable display. Just had a $2K price drop and I couldn’t resist. This thing is jaw-dropping. Crazy bright for an OLED, big and beautiful.

Mentioned this weeks ago in the HDR Discussion Thread, as a follow-up, I, like Mr Walker in the comments below (search ‘sports’) – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-Sdn6vzaJs#t=11m45s find the TV to dim too much to my liking with sports. So, I use the A90J exclusively for movies and the X95J for sports and sometimes movies/episodics.

Big is good though - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...n#post19758478

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Mentioned this weeks ago in the HDR Discussion Thread, as a follow-up, I, like Mr Walker in the comments below (search ‘sports’) – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-Sdn6vzaJs#t=11m45s find the TV to dim too much to my liking with sports. So, I use the A90J exclusively for movies and the X95J for sports and sometimes movies/episodics.

Big is good though - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...n#post19758478

That's kinda the point, yeah. All this stuff that people don't notice/care about with OLED, well, I'd notice the shit out of it. And not knowing whether what I'm seeing is due to the display or is actually in the content would drive me fookin insane. Sure, after a while you get used to what your TV is doing in any given situation but if you're trying to be as faithful to the source as possible then second-guessing everything you're seeing gets tiresome very quickly. C'est la vie with any teevee, that much is true.

The problem with Sony's newer LCDs is that they're still about pumping the brightness rather than finessing the blacks and minimising blooming, I'm still staggered by how much control the ZD9 has over such things and those images of blooming on the new miniLED sets looked horrendous, quite honestly. What Sony matey said in response to people who wanted better blacks on LCDs - "go buy an OLED then" - would appear to be the reigning mantra.

[Brahmzy]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

That's kinda the point, yeah. All this stuff that people don't notice/care about with OLED, well, I'd notice the shit out of it. And not knowing whether what I'm seeing is due to the display or is actually in the content would drive me fookin insane. Sure, after a while you get used to what your TV is doing in any given situation but if you're trying to be as faithful to the source as possible then second-guessing everything you're seeing gets tiresome very quickly. C'est la vie with any teevee, that much is true.

The problem with Sony's newer LCDs is that they're still about pumping the brightness rather than finessing the blacks and minimising blooming, I'm still staggered by how much control the ZD9 has over such things and those images of blooming on the new miniLED sets looked horrendous, quite honestly. What Sony matey said in response to people who wanted better blacks on LCDs - "go buy an OLED then" - would appear to be the reigning mantra.

I simply cannot do FALD blacks and blooming anymore. I’ve looked at every high-end SONY Z series LED and it really offered no improvement over my old 940D (in fact some of the later models had worse blooming and black performance.) Were they brighter? Sure. I don’t really need brighter (even though my new 83A90J is brighter) - I need better black performance. The Z9D was a gem, no doubt, but I’ve switched to OLED and there’s no going back now. 2021 was the year for OLED for me, and the reason I’ve held out for so long. I needed significantly bigger and brighter than all previous OLEDs. The heat sink is new too which offers brighter, more consistent performance. Of course SONYs excellent motion is a must for my HTPC vs an LG.
I also replaced my 43 SONY LED as my gaming/work monitor with an LG C1 48 120hz OLED. It’s glorious. Just a massive improvement and there’s no going back.
That said, really until now the only replacement I’ve wanted for my 940D was a used Z9D, lol.

FWIW, I have not experienced any visible dimming of any kind yet. No, I don’t watch hockey. But I watch a crapload of HDR content with full screen bright scenes and it’s connected to my HTPC with which I use the bright white web browsers etc.

[MechaGodzilla]

The FlatpanelsHD article has a very obvious pro-OLED/anti-LCD bias going on - and I've been told this is the case with them in general - so I'm not quite ready to write Sony's new LCDs off just yet. I'll await professional reviews/tests and owner feedback - from the more knowledgeable and "regular people" crowds alike - to get a better idea of how these perform.

But I must admit that, more and more, I'm starting to lean towards OLED for when I eventually pick up a new TV. Especially with Sony increasingly neglecting the 55" size class for their FALD LCDs. Just a shame there's something to worry about regardless of which display tech I go for, though. Like, the screen uniformity issues I'm seeing on OLED bother me more than uneven pixel wear/burn-in at this point.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Brahmzy

FWIW, I have not experienced any visible dimming of any kind yet. No, I don’t watch hockey.

Other folks do notice the dimming with SDR sports, not just hockey, e.g. - https://www.reddit.com/r/OLED/commen...g_on_the_sony/

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by MechaGodzilla

The FlatpanelsHD article has a very obvious pro-OLED/anti-LCD bias going on - and I've been told this is the case with them in general - so I'm not quite ready to write Sony's new LCDs off just yet. I'll await professional reviews/tests and owner feedback - from the more knowledgeable and "regular people" crowds alike - to get a better idea of how these perform.

But I must admit that, more and more, I'm starting to lean towards OLED for when I eventually pick up a new TV. Especially with Sony increasingly neglecting the 55" size class for their FALD LCDs. Just a shame there's something to worry about regardless of which display tech I go for, though. Like, the screen uniformity issues I'm seeing on OLED bother me more than uneven pixel wear/burn-in at this point.

Dude, what TV blog/webshite/YT channel doesn’t have a pro-OLED/anti-LCD bias going on? Par for the course.

[unberechenbar]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Dude, what TV blog/webshite/YT channel doesn’t have a pro-OLED/anti-LCD bias going on? Par for the course.

Wouldn't Samsung supporters be pro-LCD since Samsung didn't get into OLED until this year?

[MechaGodzilla]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Dude, what TV blog/webshite/YT channel doesn’t have a pro-OLED/anti-LCD bias going on? Par for the course.

Fair enough, you got me there.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by unberechenbar

Wouldn't Samsung supporters be pro-LCD since Samsung didn't get into OLED until this year?

You won't find many Samsung fans amongst the TV-sniffing cognoscenti, and for good reason.

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by MechaGodzilla

The FlatpanelsHD article has a very obvious pro-OLED/anti-LCD bias going on - and I've been told this is the case with them in general - so I'm not quite ready to write Sony's new LCDs off just yet. I'll await professional reviews/tests and owner feedback - from the more knowledgeable and "regular people" crowds alike - to get a better idea of how these perform.

But I must admit that, more and more, I'm starting to lean towards OLED for when I eventually pick up a new TV. Especially with Sony increasingly neglecting the 55" size class for their FALD LCDs. Just a shame there's something to worry about regardless of which display tech I go for, though. Like, the screen uniformity issues I'm seeing on OLED bother me more than uneven pixel wear/burn-in at this point.

Completely agree. They are pro-OLED which is exactly what I said in AV Forums post discussing about them. They tend to exaggerate known LCD TV tech flaws. What gets me is why would anyone view LCD TV from a wider angle. If anyone does that then its going to be bloom city but why lol.

I have 3 TVs:

1. Sony 77A80J OLED - On my second unit as the first one had two 4 inches thick vertical bands. The second one has 6 thin vertical bands and they are still noticeable to my sensitive eyes. In 2 minds about returning this for a refund. Otherwise, this TV is ace and is my go to TV for 4K HDR movies given that most of the contents are well under 1000 nits with a median brightness of 200-250 nits. Also size does play a major role. Once you go big then it's like Event Horizon.

2. Sony 65ZD9 LCD - It started off with a love or hate affair. After some inputs from Geoff and spending quality time, I found it to be acceptable for all sort of contents. I am okay to compromise on some blooming issues over other positive aspects of this TV. However, it can exhibit blooming in some challenging scenes and blacks at times looking lighter which means some night time scenes can end up looking a bit flat. Contents mastered above 1000 nits shine on the ZD9. That scene from Matrix with full white background almost hurt my eyes thanks to superior full field brightness. It's a great TV but I would still watch movies and dramas on my OLED. My luck ran out with ZH8 and Z9J after receiving defective panels back to back.

3. Panasonic 65GZ1000 OLED - Super clean panel. Superb near black handling. It's there in my other house. Great TV overall but has motion issues (micro stutter and incorrect pull down) which means you see frame skipping few times in a hour. It was driving me nuts but got used to it as it's undefeatable but at least Panasonic have fixed that in 2021 models but compromised a bit on near black handling.

[Geoff D]

That's why I hate it that Sony are still pushing their X-wide angle bullshit, it's just...ugh. They don't want to specialise with LCD any more.

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

That's why I hate it that Sony are still pushing their X-wide angle bullshit, it's just...ugh. They don't want to specialise with LCD any more.

Yeah but it's a tough call for these TV companies on X-Wide viewing angle. They want the best of both worlds (OLED / LCD) which means MicroLED which IMO could be the ultimate TV tech.

Actually Sony does put in a lot of effort towards their 'Z' series especially Z9G / ZH8 / Z9J (build quality & nits) but sadly these have lesser zones and this X-wide which appears to be impacting contrast ratio. The contrast ratio figures on the Z9J are not bad. At times, they are close to ZD9 depending upon the scene.

At AVSForum, we got dual and triple owners (ZD9 / OLED / Z9J). Most of them have raved about Z9J despite some blooming.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by lgans316

Yeah but it's a tough call for these TV companies on X-Wide viewing angle. They want the best of both worlds (OLED / LCD) which means MicroLED which IMO could be the ultimate TV tech.

Actually Sony does put in a lot of effort towards their 'Z' series especially Z9G / ZH8 / Z9J (build quality & nits) but sadly these have lesser zones and this X-wide which appears to be impacting contrast ratio. The contrast ratio figures on the Z9J are not bad. At times, they are close to ZD9 depending upon the scene.

At AVSForum, we got dual and triple owners (ZD9 / OLED / Z9J). Most of them have raved about Z9J despite some blooming.

Unfortunately not everyone is made of money. The later Zeds are 8K which artificially inflates the price and yet they're still lacking dat ZD9 contrast ratio for various reasons, I don't personally care that they go even brighter when the trade off is worse blooming and worse contrast into the bargain, plus grid effects from the backlight.

Do I sound like Goldilocks with this shit? You bet. But that's what happens when I get a unicorn like the ZD9, I've never been as happy as this with any TV I've ever owned. I don't want to go OLED and put up with ASBL, ABL and/or near black issues, but I don't want to change for an LCD with worse contrast and more blooming.

[urbo73]

Everything has been a bit downhill since my Pioneer Kuro. LCD for me is a no-go due to many factors that bother me. I'm reasonably happy with my LG OLED, as I can defeat via service menu most of the ABL and auto-dimming crap, and with a 3D LUT calibration, it has the truest colors. It's good for grading too as a client monitor. The future is BRIGHT, unfortunately, and it will take some time to get something good.

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Unfortunately not everyone is made of money. The later Zeds are 8K which artificially inflates the price and yet they're still lacking dat ZD9 contrast ratio for various reasons, I don't personally care that they go even brighter when the trade off is worse blooming and worse contrast into the bargain, plus grid effects from the backlight.

Do I sound like Goldilocks with this shit? You bet. But that's what happens when I get a unicorn like the ZD9, I've never been as happy as this with any TV I've ever owned. I don't want to go OLED and put up with ASBL, ABL and/or near black issues, but I don't want to change for an LCD with worse contrast and more blooming.

I think Sony unintentionally hit a homerun with the ZD9, not knowing this ahead-of-its-time monster would become the Kuro of LCD. The original BMD, that Sony sauce, putting all that brightness to good use while, overall, also having the least compomises. It basically has been both a blessing and a curse. Because here we are, almost 6 years later...

[Lee A Stewart]

Samsung's new 89-114" MicroLED TVs will remain prohibitively expensive in 2022

MicroLED still has a long way to go before it can compete with LCD and OLED TVs. Samsung's new 89- to 114-inch models will launch later in 2022 starting at $80,000, according to Korean media.

At CES 2022, Samsung announced microLED for a fifth time. First unveiled as the 'The Wall' at CES 2018, microLED TVs appear to be only marginally closer to the consumer market than they were in 2018.

In 2022, Samsung will launch smaller microLED TVs in 89- and 101-inch sizes with 4K resolution. A 114-inch model will be added to the line-up at a later date.

- "Samsung has set the price of 89-inch model at US$80,000 and the 114-inch model at US$100,000, sources said. The pricing for the 101-inch model is yet to be finalized," Korean newspaper The Elec reported.

As for the 114-inch model this represents a reduction in price of approximately 35% compared to last year's 110-inch model that sold for $155,000.

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