News: displays and their technologies

[nick4Knight]

Originally Posted by lgans316

Samsung 65 QD-OLED is £1800 in the UK. That's a great price and almost £1000 cheaper than the Sony A95K.

Envy. What I hate about Sony QD models is in Australian market they don't hold the 55" model at all. And the 65" is $6000 AUD at launch. This could eventually be 5K on sale weeks then clearance next year. That's still insane. I have a 10K budget for the next few years home video. Not blowing 60% on the display alone. Would feel ripped off even with how good it is.

The 55" Samsung by comparison is 3.5K and will be routinely down to AUD3K sale price. But without DV it's really just no bueno for me. The wait till 2023 but maybe even the landscape of '24 more and more likely, it seems!

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by lgans316

Samsung 65 QD-OLED is £1800 in the UK. That's a great price and almost £1000 cheaper than the Sony A95K.

I still wouldn’t go near the Samsung, any Samsung, even if it were £900.

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I still wouldn’t go near the Samsung, any Samsung, even if it were £900.

Same here but to be fair It looks like they have fixed FM mode and the vast majority would prefer Samsung's approach and given all the tinkering filmmaker's do these days, it just feels sometimes we have to let things loose and simply enjoy instead of preaching accuracy. Lack of DV and 75+ sizes are a deal breaker for me anyways.

On the opposite side, Sony appears to have gone for a conservative approach with their A95K despite the heat sink. Personally I am not a fan of this.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by lgans316

Same here but to be fair It looks like they have fixed FM mode and the vast majority would prefer Samsung's approach and given all the tinkering filmmaker's do these days, it just feels sometimes we have to let things loose and simply enjoy instead of preaching accuracy. Lack of DV and 75+ sizes are a deal breaker for me anyways.

On the opposite side, Sony appears to have gone for a conservative approach with their A95K despite the heat sink. Personally I am not a fan of this.

I ain't the vast majority, thank god. I don't need or want everything jacked up to 11, if that's how some content is actually meant to be then I have no problem with it, but it's forcing that on everything that's not my bag. I understand that Samsung have fixed some of their latest naughtiness (recognising when it sees a test pattern and outputting a more 'standard' image to fool calibrators is just...wow) but I've never trusted them, and I never will.

All the tinkering from filmmaker's isn't the point, that's what they've ALWAYS done. But I still want to see what they've done within the industry specs that this stuff is still mastered to, and I personally find a 'quieter' image to be more pleasing to my eye anyway, i.e. it *is* what I enjoy. And the irony is that I've prolly done fewer tinkering with my settings than most people, as once those pesky industry specs are dialled in then that's it, I literally haven't had to touch my settings for years.

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I ain't the vast majority, thank god. I don't need or want everything jacked up to 11, if that's how some content is actually meant to be then I have no problem with it, but it's forcing that on everything that's not my bag. I understand that Samsung have fixed some of their latest naughtiness (recognising when it sees a test pattern and outputting a more 'standard' image to fool calibrators is just...wow) but I've never trusted them, and I never will.

All the tinkering from filmmaker's isn't the point, that's what they've ALWAYS done. But I still want to see what they've done within the industry specs that this stuff is still mastered to, and I personally find a 'quieter' image to be more pleasing to my eye anyway, i.e. it *is* what I enjoy. And the irony is that I've prolly done fewer tinkering with my settings than most people, as once those pesky industry specs are dialled in then that's it, I literally haven't had to touch my settings for years.

Yeah I get you. It's preference vs reference.

I am somewhere in the middle. I do like when Studios are pushing the boundaries but 4Ks like King Kong, 3:10, Middle Earth, Oblivion, Platoon, Grease etc. are a strict no-go. If PQ falls in this league I would steer clear no matter how good the HDR is.

I am sure with the new MediaTek SOCs, we can expect current undefeatable issues to be resolved. Otherwise, trust me, you are going to be switching between DV dark and bright if you have a Sony TV with TV led DV.

[oddbox83]

Samsung doesn't have DV. So as nice as the price may get, I'm not giving up DV. That's my main reason, but then you've got the other issues. It's had mixed reviews, which is cause for concern for a flagship TV, and maybe why they've discounted so much so quickly.

[Staying Salty]

I am still mad at you for mudding up the waters for Dolby Vision on disc. Yes, I know that the “promise” of DV was greater than what was delivered, but Samsung driving the implementation of HDR10+ on disc and then dropping out of the player market altogether, well:

[jess1581]

In all honesty, does everyone here use that "film mode" or "cinema mode" that dejudders the 24fps? Just curious.

[I DO BLU]

Here we go with the I’m going to pay 1000 or more just because it has the greatest thing ever dolby vision evangelist.

[oddbox83]

Originally Posted by I DO BLU

Here we go with the I’m going to pay 1000 or more just because it has the greatest thing ever dolby vision evangelist.

Here we go with the DV isn’t all it’s cracked up to be moaning.

The simple fact is I’ve got many discs in my collection where the DV layer improves the compression. The HDR10 layer should never have been encoded so bad in the first place of course, but wanting to keep DV for quality reasons is certainly a valid one because of it.

You also DO need to pay a 1000 or more for a really good HDR TV, DV or not… That’s not snobbery, it’s fact. They are getting cheaper but we’re not there yet. The cheaper ones have trade-offs, be it screen type, size etc. At least those in the market for smaller screens now get better choices at 42” now that the best screen tech has finally filtered down to there. The struggle at finding a really good TV at that size max for my loft a few years ago was real!

[Geoff D]

Yep, it's not about evangelism, it's about which one delivers a betterer experience, even if that improvement is only compression related and has nothing to do with the HDR stuff. I know that it runs too dark on some sets, I know that Stacey Spears hates it because of all the colour bugs it has, I know that most "pro" calibrators recommend turning it off, but to my eyes the bugs are worth it just to correct some of the worst compression I've seen on disc. Ever.

[I DO BLU]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Yep, it's not about evangelism, it's about which one delivers a betterer experience, even if that improvement is only compression related and has nothing to do with the HDR stuff. I know that it runs too dark on some sets, I know that Stacey Spears hates it because of all the colour bugs it has, I know that most "pro" calibrators recommend turning it off, but to my eyes the bugs are worth it just to correct some of the worst compression I've seen on disc. Ever.

I use evangelical because some people on here think it’s with out flaws and worth paying over. $1000 just to get the word Dolby vision it may be better in cases yes but it is not night and day it’s minimal at best. As you point out others like Stacey Spears who have a lot of experience with this then people on here. I have the Samsung qd oled and I have s Sony 80j I prefer the Samsung over the sony. This is my opinion and you have yours which I respect but it’s the over the top Dolby vision or nothing crowd that is the issue I have and they will defend it tell death.

[Geoff D]

Fair enough IDB. I don't think it's the greatest thing ever and take people to task for claiming so, but nor could I do without it as it's essential for unf*cking some terribly encoded discs.

[I DO BLU]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Fair enough IDB. I don't think it's the greatest thing ever and take people to task for claiming so, but nor could I do without it as it's essential for unf*cking some terribly encoded discs.

Yes I know you do take people to task lol but there’s also Sony Dolby vision and lg Dolby vision they’re not the same which makes it even more screwed up.

[oddbox83]

No argument there - the hardware implementation of DV has been a car crash. If it's compatible, you should just plug it in and it works. Nah, we get confusing "TV Led" for "Player Led" variants, strange things in Sony players where you have to manually turn it on and off each time or you either get no DV at all, or forced DV on everything. Flickering issues requiring frequent updates on some players, etc. At least when it comes to it's encoding layer variants, MEL and FEL, the consumer can live in ignorance.

When it works, DV does offer benefits, even if it's mainly just down to the improved tone mapping. Though it's a sad state of affairs when the reason I truly couldn't be without DV is because of the part-fix it makes to bad encodes.

At least with my Oppo player and LG OLED, DV causes me few to no issues really (just a couple of discs where the dynamic tone mapping seems a few frames off which is annoying, I don't know if that's the metadata or my gear), luckily for me.

So, just to be totally clear, when I say I can't be on with a TV without DV, I say that with good reason, not DV evangelism.

[I DO BLU]

Originally Posted by oddbox83

No argument there - the hardware implementation of DV has been a car crash. If it's compatible, you should just plug it in and it works. Nah, we get confusing "TV Led" for "Player Led" variants, strange things in Sony players where you have to manually turn it on and off each time or you either get no DV at all, or forced DV on everything. Flickering issues requiring frequent updates on some players, etc. At least when it comes to it's encoding layer variants, MEL and FEL, the consumer can live in ignorance.

When it works, DV does offer benefits, even if it's mainly just down to the improved tone mapping. Though it's a sad state of affairs when the reason I truly couldn't be without DV is because of the part-fix it makes to bad encodes.

At least with my Oppo player and LG OLED, DV causes me few to no issues really (just a couple of discs where the dynamic tone mapping seems a few frames off which is annoying, I don't know if that's the metadata or my gear), luckily for me.

So, just to be totally clear, when I say I can't be on with a TV without DV, I say that with good reason, not DV evangelism.

That’s fair it’s the extreme ones that like I said if some one made the perfect tv and the best tv would sit there and refuse to buy because it does not have Dolby vision which it just asinine. The whole HDR thing is a mess there is no standard for it at all.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by I DO BLU

That’s fair it’s the extreme ones that like I said if some one made the perfect tv and the best tv would sit there and refuse to buy because it does not have Dolby vision which it just asinine. The whole HDR thing is a mess there is no standard for it at all.

I'd be one of those people though, it could well be the best TV ever but no DV would make it a hard sell, and again that's just for the compression fixes of DV discs. That said, if it didn't have DV and it was that good a TV then I'd maybe look at an HDfury to spoof a player into outputting the player-led version which could then be fed to the TV (as it's basically an HDR12 signal at that stage).

HDR itself is part of an actual standard, the tone mapping of it however is not and that's been the key problem with the format: each and every manufacturer has done their own thing and it's just silly.

[anthonymoody]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Big, bigger, biggest at IFA 2022: 97" OLED, 98" LCD and microLED TVs

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1662465782

Man. The new 98" Samsung 100B sounded interesting right up until the $30k price tag.

[danny24]

Originally Posted by anthonymoody

Man. The new 98" Samsung 100B sounded interesting right up until the $30k price tag.

If anyone buys that 98" TV and the husband or wife looks over and says "It ain't big enough". A hard stare back in disbelief is warranted.

[Robert Zohn]

CE Pro Podcast: ‘Video Guys’ Preview CEDIA Expo 2022 and our 2022 TV Shootout

CE Pro Podcast 124: ‘Video Guys’ Preview CEDIA Expo 2022 - YouTube