News: displays and their technologies

[Robert Zohn]

Samsung's 65" S95F QD OLED TV is $3,299.

LG's 65" G5 OLED TV is also $3,299.

Sony's 65" BRAVIA 8 II is $3,498. and you also get Sony’s 55″ X77L4K HDR LED TV at No Charge, and Sony also Gifts you with 2 Years of all of Columbia Pictures and Sony Pictures movies with unlimited use of all of their movies and they stream it directly to your TV fully Uncompressed, Lossless so the audio and video is better than even a Blu-Fay disc.

Sony also gives you 10 credits for New Movie Releases for you to select as they launch.

Do you still feel that Sony's New Flagship BRAVIA 8 II QD OLED TVs are "Greatly Over Priced"?

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Sony also Gifts you with 2 Years of all of Columbia Pictures and Sony Pictures movies with unlimited use of all of their movies and they stream it directly to your TV fully Uncompressed, Lossless so the audio and video is better than even a Blu-Fay disc.

Sony also gives you 10 credits for New Movie Releases for you to select as they launch.

Do you still feel that Sony's New Flagship BRAVIA 8 II QD OLED TVs are "Greatly Over Priced"?

No one anywhere offers uncompressed video for home viewing.

I once asked forum member Geoff D in a PM how large an uncompressed movie is and he gave me this reply:

"2 hour movie in full uncompressed master form would be ~2 terabytes for a 2K master, ~8 terabytes for a 4K master (it just scales linearly according to how many pixels the frame size is, unlike with compressed interframe consumer video). As a point of reference, the uncompressed 4K 120fps 3D master for Gemini Man is approximately 92 terabytes in size!

Calculated thusly: 2.3 terabytes for a 2K 24fps 2D show. So x4 pixels for a 4K 24fps 2D = 9.2 terabytes. Then x5 for the increased frame rate, 120fps vs 24fps, so 4K 120fps 2D = 46 terabytes. Finally x2 for the 3D as you're doubling the amount of images, so 4K 120fps 3D = 92 terabytes."


Sony Pictures Core service has video bitrates of "up to 80 Mbps", which is better than blu-ray and comparable to what a 4K disc averages.

"SONY PICTURES CORE features Pure Stream™ which can stream HDR movies at up to 80Mbps — similar to 4K UHD Blu-ray on a wide range of content."

https://electronics.sony.com/sony-pictures-core

"4K Ultra HD Blu-ray discs have a maximum video bitrate of 128 Mbps, compared to ‘just’ 40 Mbps on standard Blu-ray."

https://www.tcl.com/global/en/blog/4...rd%20Blu%2Dray.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Auditor55

Sony's flagship models in comparison to other flagship models are greatly overpriced but not greatly better.

Even if that is true my point remains that people experiencing financial difficulties are probably not shopping for flagship TV models. All TV manufacturers offer TVs at a range of prices to accommodate different budgets.

[Jay Mammoth]

65’ G5 can already be had from authorized dealers for under $3000, so yes the Sony is still overpriced. At least we know Sony is listening though as evidenced by their $500 decrease of the price.

[Robert Zohn]

I have not seen any retailer selling the 65" G5 under $3,000. We have an exclusive 10% store credit for every screen size G6, so with the 65" G5 we gift our clients with a $330. credit.

If you consider all of our promotional savings with Sony's BRAVIA 8 II, like the free X90L 4K HDR LED TV, and our exclusive store credit and a few other savings we have the final cost is very close for the three major brands' New 2025 Flagship OLED TVs.

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Even if that is true my point remains that people experiencing financial difficulties are probably not shopping for flagship TV models. All TV manufacturers offer TVs at a range of prices to accommodate different budgets.

The point you're missing is that the same people in the past, those customers, that were able to purchase a flagship TV, no longer can. This is not the time to overinflate the price.

[Jay Mammoth]

Greentoe has buy it now on 65 G5 for 2989 shipped out the door. They only deal with authorized dealers, that’s definitely under 3K. Price will continue dropping throughout the year.
Promo savings are irrelevant imo. I would rather they cut the price than give me stuff i dont need or wont use.
At least its not $4000 anymore though, that was laughable no matter how much a couple people tried defending it

[eddievanhalen]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Samsung's 65" S95F QD OLED TV is $3,299.

LG's 65" G5 OLED TV is also $3,299.

Sony's 65" BRAVIA 8 II is $3,498. and you also get Sony’s 55″ X77L4K HDR LED TV at No Charge, and Sony also Gifts you with 2 Years of all of Columbia Pictures and Sony Pictures movies with unlimited use of all of their movies and they stream it directly to your TV fully Uncompressed, Lossless so the audio and video is better than even a Blu-Fay disc.

Sony also gives you 10 credits for New Movie Releases for you to select as they launch.

Do you still feel that Sony's New Flagship BRAVIA 8 II QD OLED TVs are "Greatly Over Priced"?

The streaming platform from Sony does really uses uncompressed video? That's a lot of bandwith for an internet connection. I don't doubt that such High bandwith internet connection, either via fiber optic or satellite, exits in the US, but I don't think they are very common.
My fiber optic internet connection is 100 m/bits a second, not a very fast connection, by I live alone and therefore, the only user of this internet connection.
I'm sure 1 Gigabyte/second internet connections, or faster, existe in the US, they do in Spain, where I live, but that's not cheap. IS that internet speed enough, if this connection is used by a single one person as is my case, is enough to Stream uncompressed video and audio? I don't know.
Keep in mind that even at cinemas, DCP's either at 2K or 4K use JPEG2000 to compress picture, and JPEG2000 is a LOSSY codec.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by eddievanhalen

The streaming platform from Sony does really uses uncompressed video?

No one offers uncompressed video. No one.

"SONY PICTURES CORE features Pure Stream™ which can stream HDR movies at up to 80Mbps — similar to 4K UHD Blu-ray on a wide range of content."

https://electronics.sony.com/sony-pictures-core

Sony Pictures Core recommends an internet speed of just 115 Mbps for its streaming service.

[eddievanhalen]

Originally Posted by Vilya

No one offers uncompressed video. No one.

"SONY PICTURES CORE features Pure Stream™ which can stream HDR movies at up to 80Mbps — similar to 4K UHD Blu-ray on a wide range of content."

https://electronics.sony.com/sony-pictures-core

Sony Pictures Core recommends an internet speed of just 115 Mbps for its streaming service.

That's for Core, similar to UHD BD discs quality, which is great compared to other streaming platforms that stream with an average of 20 megabits/second.
But I seriously doubt that their premium streaming service does video with no compression. An HD, needless to say a 4K HDR Stream would need a very high internet connection speed, that not many people have at home.

[batman2000]

Originally Posted by eddievanhalen

That's for Core, similar to UHD BD discs quality, which is great compared to other streaming platforms that stream with an average of 20 megabits/second.
But I seriously doubt that their premium streaming service does video with no compression. An HD, needless to say a 4K HDR Stream would need a very high internet connection speed, that not many people have at home.

Will we every get uhd blu ray and blu ray quality streaming on platforms other than Sony core pure stream?

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by batman2000

Will we every get uhd blu ray and blu ray quality streaming on platforms other than Sony core pure stream?

Increasing bitrates means increasing internet bandwith usage and that would increase costs. Streaming's customers for the most part are happy with the A/V quality that they are getting already, so what incentive is there for the streaming services to improve it?

[batman2000]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Increasing bitrates means increasing internet bandwith usage and that would increase costs. Streaming's customers for the most part are happy with the A/V quality that they are getting already, so what incentive is there for the streaming services to improve it?

Oh that’s too bad because 4k specifically needs an upgrade on streaming.

[LexInHD]

Originally Posted by batman2000

Will we every get uhd blu ray and blu ray quality streaming on platforms other than Sony core pure stream?

You would need to seriously beef up the consumer hardware specs to do that across the board and implement the latest broadband tech and WiFi/Ethernet standards in every TV or streaming box, as well as upgrading all mass broadband to the latest standards. We're getting to the point where it's more or less possible and getting cheaper every few years, but it is and will continue to be, too far (expense/performance) from the baseline that consumers need and are willing to pay for, at this time.

[JWgrayhawk]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Increasing bitrates means increasing internet bandwith usage and that would increase costs. Streaming's customers for the most part are happy with the A/V quality that they are getting already, so what incentive is there for the streaming services to improve it?

The only incentive that ever gets companies to change: the bottom line.

Like Netflix offers tiers of service- you have to pay more to get 4K HDR and Atmos- they or another company could decide to offer lossless audio and video compression at disc rates for more money. They would have to offer it at a rate they believe would cover infrastructure changes needed- and who knows how much that would be given a guestimate of how many would upgrade to that level- or whether they'd ever think it a good risk.

But belief in it being profitable for them would be the only incentive.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by LexInHD

You would need to seriously beef up the consumer hardware specs to do that across the board and implement the latest broadband tech and WiFi/Ethernet standards in every TV or streaming box, as well as upgrading all mass broadband to the latest standards. We're getting to the point where it's more or less possible and getting cheaper every few years, but it is and will continue to be, too far (expense/performance) from the baseline that consumers need and are willing to pay for, at this time.

All you need to stream at the full quality offered by Sony Pictures Core streaming service is an internet connection that provides 115 Mbps download speed. There is no need to "beef up consumer hardware specs" or to implement the latest "broadband tech" or "Wi-Fi/ethernet standards" to stream at the 80 Mbps video bitrates offered by Sony Pictures Core service.

Most of us easily meet that requirement with what we have already, but that still does not mean that the major streaming services are looking to triple or quadruple their bandwidth costs to give us that level of streaming quality- and especially when (almost) no one is asking them to do it.

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Sony Bravia 8 MK2 Is The Most Hated TV Of All Time? - YouTube

[Vilya]

^Are the haters actual owners that are unhappy with the TV's performance? Or is it about the price? Or both? Or is it just one Youtuber speaking for everyone?

I didn't watch the video; I'm just looking for the short answer here.

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by Vilya

^Are the haters actual owners that are unhappy with the TV's performance? Or is it about the price? Or both? Or is it just one Youtuber speaking for everyone?

I didn't watch the video; I'm just looking for the short answer here.

It's about price. It's overpriced. And people like that fool who made the video are the reason why greedy companies like Sony continue to price their TVs in that manner. We see something similar going on in the car market. The prices will never go down if idiots keep purchasing overpriced cars and going into massive debt.