CES 2019 speculation & the facts

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by BenjaminG

Wow. Sony's presentation was terribad.

Why, no OLED 8K TVs, improved extreme X1 video processor chip with super fast response time under two seconds (best for fast action movies and sports without blur), no 8K BR player, a new video chip inside the X800 player now supporting Dolby Vision and HLG, no 3D 4K TV? HDMI 2.1 support?

LCD FALD LED 8K yes, HDMI 2.1 yes, DV and HLG in the new X800M2 BR player version 2 (Mach2) yes, HFR support yes. 3D is for front projectors, the true real life 3D immersion, size matters not small 98" flat panels (humor).
▪ Picture Processor X1™ Ultimate and 8K X-Reality PRO – pictures are sharpened and refined in real time, and images are upscaled closer to true 8K quality using Sony's exclusive 8K database.

About Samsung, any OLED TVs to compete with LG and Sony?

Panasonic OLED TVs, still no Dolby Vision support when their 4K players do?
For Canadians and UK people only, left in the cold.

Is Sony lagging behind in advanced technologies in 2019?
I believe what you said, Sony is not the leader it used to be; Samsung and LG are.
But that's fine, they use parts from other manufacturers and they develop their own processing power from the important video chip implementation. They play safe to not get burn and charge more for their old name and their innovative designs.

No news of Oppo coming back in 2019?

[hotFstop]

Any new UHD Blu-ray players from LG?

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by hotFstop

Any new UHD Blu-ray players from LG?

It would be nice from them to build a full metal jacket 4K BR player to go along with their superb looking picture OLED TVs. ...Something substantial (not plastic) and offering superb audio and picture, with features that rival or surpass the best...Panasonic and Oppo.

They can do it, LG can do it. They are @ the forefront of our technological galaxy.

[hotFstop]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

It would be nice from them to build a full metal jacket 4K BR player to go along with their superb looking picture OLED TVs. ...Something substantial (not plastic) and offering superb audio and picture, with features that rival or surpass the best...Panasonic and Oppo.

They can do it, LG can do it. They are @ the forefront of our technological galaxy.

Amen!

[GODHOOD]

Panasonic GZ2000 OLED Dolby Vision HDR10+

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJnmw4jGpHQ

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by GODHOOD

Panasonic GZ2000 OLED Dolby Vision HDR10+

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJnmw4jGpHQ

Ya man! https://www.engadget.com/amp/2019/01...-dolby-vision/

[Jameron4eva]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

It would be nice from them to build a full metal jacket 4K BR player to go along with their superb looking picture OLED TVs. ...Something substantial (not plastic) and offering superb audio and picture, with features that rival or surpass the best...Panasonic and Oppo.

They can do it, LG can do it. They are @ the forefront of our technological galaxy.

I'm liking my 90 so far.

[DJR662]

Another Sony Z9G video:

https://video.golem.de/audio-video/2...-ces-2019.html

That 85" looks so small when compared to the 98".

And for a moment I thought I saw Vincent Teoh standing there at the beginning of the vid lol.



And another one (posted in Z9G thread on AVS):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFoW...ature=youtu.be

That blooming better be entirely non excisting in real life...

[alexanderg823]

Hmmm...

I can't help but feel really let down by CES this year.

Samsung - Showing off a MicroLED that may or may not be released to consumers this year, and even if they are, will be priced at like $20K at the cheapest. Their mainstream TVs are the 8K QLEDs are the same ones that were released last year, with a few additional sizes, with performance that is essentially the same as those shown at last year's CES. QD OLED is MIA.

LG - 2019 oleds on the whole are boring and the epitome of incremental upgrade. The only thing they have is a rollable OLED which is more of a gimmick than anything, and will also be priced out of the stratosphere.

Sony - Primarily junk disposable LCDs, no real improvement from last year - low zone count, some might even say worse now that they've switched to the wide angle so they're all essentially IPS screens. Z9G is huge and going to be priced out for most. 2019 OLED has marginal if any improvement over the A9F released late last year.

Vizio - Quantum dots and zones, they're essentially the same exact thing as Samsung's 2018 QLEDs, even down to the zone count, just priced a whole lot better. Still, no real innovation.

TCL/Hisense - Seems like some pretty decent innovation at low prices with MiniLED and the dual layer, but they're junk TVs so they probably won't work as well as advertised.



Just overall very disappointing. LEDs had quite a bit of momentum in recent years to finally overcome some inherent PQ problems and leap ahead, but have stalled out in 2019 in favor of regression in a race to the bottom - or in the case of Hisense, just straight up snake oil fantasies. No one seems to be using the miniLEDs that were hyped up last year except TCL.

OLED seems to have totally stagnated and is now resorting to gimmicks like rollable over panel PQ improvements. Samsung's QD OLED is totally missing in action despite rumors over the past few months. And MicroLED is an extremely expensive, ridiculously unaffordable proof of concept with some major issues with its "seams".

Overall 2019 is a total disappointment and seems like the industry just lost a lot of steam and gave up on the innovation in hopes that Samsung and LG will do all the R&D in the next 5 years for LCD replacement technology and license out the resulting tech.

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by alexanderg823

Hmmm...

I can't help but feel really let down by CES this year.

Samsung - Showing off a MicroLED that may or may not be released to consumers this year, and even if they are, will be priced at like $20K at the cheapest. Their mainstream TVs are the 8K QLEDs are the same ones that were released last year, with a few additional sizes, with performance that is essentially the same as those shown at last year's CES. QD OLED is MIA.

LG - 2019 oleds on the whole are boring and the epitome of incremental upgrade. The only thing they have is a rollable OLED which is more of a gimmick than anything, and will also be priced out of the stratosphere.

Sony - Primarily junk disposable LCDs, no real improvement from last year - low zone count, some might even say worse now that they've switched to the wide angle so they're all essentially IPS screens. Z9G is huge and going to be priced out for most. 2019 OLED has marginal if any improvement over the A9F released late last year.

Vizio - Quantum dots and zones, they're essentially the same exact thing as Samsung's 2018 QLEDs, even down to the zone count, just priced a whole lot better. Still, no real innovation.

TCL/Hisense - Seems like some pretty decent innovation at low prices with MiniLED and the dual layer, but they're junk TVs so they probably won't work as well as advertised.



Just overall very disappointing. LEDs had quite a bit of momentum in recent years to finally overcome some inherent PQ problems and leap ahead, but have stalled out in 2019 in favor of regression in a race to the bottom - or in the case of Hisense, just straight up snake oil fantasies. No one seems to be using the miniLEDs that were hyped up last year except TCL.

OLED seems to have totally stagnated and is now resorting to gimmicks like rollable over panel PQ improvements. Samsung's QD OLED is totally missing in action despite rumors over the past few months. And MicroLED is an extremely expensive, ridiculously unaffordable proof of concept with some major issues with its "seams".

Overall 2019 is a total disappointment and seems like the industry just lost a lot of steam and gave up on the innovation in hopes that Samsung and LG will do all the R&D in the next 5 years for LCD replacement technology and license out the resulting tech.

Samsung's regular lineup wont be announced til March. There was no lineup announcement at ces last year either. They only had a secret Q9FN hidden in a private room but zero details about the specs or lineup. Also, those QD Oleds were never expected to be there at ces, the rumor is that Samsung won't begin experimenting until 2nd half 2019. So there might be a prototype at one of the events later this year at the absolute earliest. Today is the 1st open day of show floor, so wait and see what everyone has on the floor or any possible private demo rooms like last year.

Overall, this ces is nearly exactly the same as last year. All the se complaints about last year being a let down too.

[alexanderg823]

Originally Posted by ray0414

Samsung's regular lineup wont be announced til March. There was no lineup announcement at ces last year either. They only had a secret Q9FN hidden in a private room but zero details about the specs or lineup. Also, those QD Oleds were never expected to be there at ces, the rumor is that Samsung won't begin experimenting until 2nd half 2019. So there might be a prototype at one of the events later this year at the absolute earliest. Today is the 1st open day of show floor, so wait and see what everyone has on the floor or any possible private demo rooms like last year.

Overall, this ces is nearly exactly the same as last year. All the se complaints about last year being a let down too.

At their CES press conference last year, Samsung announced that their 2018 QLED line up would switch back to FALD, which was a massive bomb to drop at the time considering their 2017 lineup was all edge lit. No bombs like that this year. Instead, all we get is bigger sizes of a model already released.

[nick4Knight]

Originally Posted by alexanderg823

At their CES press conference last year, Samsung announced that their 2018 QLED line up would switch back to FALD, which was a massive bomb to drop at the time considering their 2017 lineup was all edge lit.

Small technicality but the Q7fn was still edge lit but I guess you may have merely meant the premium end of QLED line -- Hell the Q6fn is as well but that's an out-and-out budget QLED

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by alexanderg823

At their CES press conference last year, Samsung announced that their 2018 QLED line up would switch back to FALD, which was a massive bomb to drop at the time considering their 2017 lineup was all edge lit. No bombs like that this year. Instead, all we get is bigger sizes of a model already released.

They didn't announce specs or lineup, just the full array part. The lineup will be unveiled in March, just like last year. The only difference is we don't have Rudy giving us a heads up as to what's coming like last year. Rudy's contacts were reassigned and don't have product info anymore. Early word tho is Samsung's regular Qled flagship will have 720 zones and be QD on glass. But Samsung is saving all that stuff to announce where they can have all the attention.


BTW, just saw a rumor that QD oled is expected at ces next year. It will likely be extremely niche tho. Early word is that Samsung was only ably to secure 5000 panels per month when they begin their allocation.

[King Crimson]

Certainly low-key but from what Panasonic plans on doing with their TV lineup in 2019 is very exciting now that they will have both DV and 10+ support. This while certainly small is the best news from CES so far for me, wish there was more info about IMAX Enhanced.

[alexanderg823]

Originally Posted by King Crimson

Certainly low-key but from what Panasonic plans on doing with their TV lineup in 2019 is very exciting now that they will have both DV and 10+ support. This while certainly small is the best news from CES so far for me, wish there was more info about IMAX Enhanced.

I'd agree they seem to have the most enticing product of 2019 CES, however, at the end of the day it's essentially the same as the Sony Master Series A9F or A9G. The differentiation is so tiny. Sure, it's got HDR10+, but the sonys and LGs have dynamic HDR10 tone mapping, so whatever IMO.

One would expect that in a year with such modest improvements tech wise, we'd see some nice price reductions to compensate. Wait, who am I kidding?

I wonder if this was all done as a preparation for a potential global recession this year where there's not much expenditure on innovative techs when they're expecting sales will drop regardless? excuse the tinfoil hat...

[King Crimson]

Originally Posted by alexanderg823

I'd agree they seem to have the most enticing product of 2019 CES, however, at the end of the day it's essentially the same as the Sony Master Series A9F or A9G. The differentiation is so tiny. Sure, it's got HDR10+, but the sonys and LGs have dynamic HDR10 tone mapping, so whatever IMO.

One would expect that in a year with such modest improvements tech wise, we'd see some nice price reductions to compensate. Wait, who am I kidding?

I wonder if this was all done as a preparation for a potential global recession this year where there's not much expenditure on innovative techs when they're expecting sales will drop regardless? excuse the tinfoil hat...

Well this is the flagship but he said more will drop in February (other models) with dual HDR support which I find awesome.

[alexanderg823]

Originally Posted by King Crimson

Well this is the flagship but he said more will drop in February (other models) with dual HDR support which I find awesome.

Sure... But LG and Sony have been "dual HDR" already with DV and dynamic tone mapping. The differentiation here is remarkably limited.

It's great news for Panasonic fans, but it's small like you noted...

Any other year and such a feat would be a spec sheet check mark rather than a defining feature.

[samlop10]

Z9G Hands On Impressions

So it’s coming out during the second half of 2019. Wonder when they’ll announce the prices for them.


Edit: it seems like Sony is planning to announce availability and prices for the TVs during the spring:

https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...bigger-screens

[slimdude]

Samsung had refuse to support Dolby Vision, but they've blatantly carbon copied Dolby Vision's technology, created by Dolby Lab, and call it their own as HDR10+ which is a copycat, and I have a feeling that HDR10+ is going in the same way as HD-DVD from lack of support. A year or two, HDR10+ will be history.

[HDTV1080P]

The only reason HDR10+ is needed for 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray movie collectors is because certain studios decided to release certain titles in HDR10+ only instead of the better Dolby Vision HDR format.


This means consumers need all HDR formats in their player and display so that they can experience the best picture quality possible. The average consumer does not care about HDR and this is just a niche videophile feature for now.