CES 2019 speculation & the facts

[hotFstop]

Any new UHD Blu-ray players from LG?

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by hotFstop

Any new UHD Blu-ray players from LG?

It would be nice from them to build a full metal jacket 4K BR player to go along with their superb looking picture OLED TVs. ...Something substantial (not plastic) and offering superb audio and picture, with features that rival or surpass the best...Panasonic and Oppo.

They can do it, LG can do it. They are @ the forefront of our technological galaxy.

[hotFstop]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

It would be nice from them to build a full metal jacket 4K BR player to go along with their superb looking picture OLED TVs. ...Something substantial (not plastic) and offering superb audio and picture, with features that rival or surpass the best...Panasonic and Oppo.

They can do it, LG can do it. They are @ the forefront of our technological galaxy.

Amen!

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by djjez

ive had a bunch of issues with my c8 so looking to change tvs. Im not just changing for the hell of it lol

Too bad, sorry to hear that.

[GODHOOD]

Panasonic GZ2000 OLED Dolby Vision HDR10+

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJnmw4jGpHQ

[DJR662]

Another Sony Z9G video:

https://video.golem.de/audio-video/2...-ces-2019.html

That 85" looks so small when compared to the 98".

And for a moment I thought I saw Vincent Teoh standing there at the beginning of the vid lol.



And another one (posted in Z9G thread on AVS):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFoW...ature=youtu.be

That blooming better be entirely non excisting in real life...

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by DJJez

ive had a bunch of issues with my c8 so looking to change tvs. im not just changing for the hell of it lol

there's always a first

[alexanderg823]

Hmmm...

I can't help but feel really let down by CES this year.

Samsung - Showing off a MicroLED that may or may not be released to consumers this year, and even if they are, will be priced at like $20K at the cheapest. Their mainstream TVs are the 8K QLEDs are the same ones that were released last year, with a few additional sizes, with performance that is essentially the same as those shown at last year's CES. QD OLED is MIA.

LG - 2019 oleds on the whole are boring and the epitome of incremental upgrade. The only thing they have is a rollable OLED which is more of a gimmick than anything, and will also be priced out of the stratosphere.

Sony - Primarily junk disposable LCDs, no real improvement from last year - low zone count, some might even say worse now that they've switched to the wide angle so they're all essentially IPS screens. Z9G is huge and going to be priced out for most. 2019 OLED has marginal if any improvement over the A9F released late last year.

Vizio - Quantum dots and zones, they're essentially the same exact thing as Samsung's 2018 QLEDs, even down to the zone count, just priced a whole lot better. Still, no real innovation.

TCL/Hisense - Seems like some pretty decent innovation at low prices with MiniLED and the dual layer, but they're junk TVs so they probably won't work as well as advertised.



Just overall very disappointing. LEDs had quite a bit of momentum in recent years to finally overcome some inherent PQ problems and leap ahead, but have stalled out in 2019 in favor of regression in a race to the bottom - or in the case of Hisense, just straight up snake oil fantasies. No one seems to be using the miniLEDs that were hyped up last year except TCL.

OLED seems to have totally stagnated and is now resorting to gimmicks like rollable over panel PQ improvements. Samsung's QD OLED is totally missing in action despite rumors over the past few months. And MicroLED is an extremely expensive, ridiculously unaffordable proof of concept with some major issues with its "seams".

Overall 2019 is a total disappointment and seems like the industry just lost a lot of steam and gave up on the innovation in hopes that Samsung and LG will do all the R&D in the next 5 years for LCD replacement technology and license out the resulting tech.

[Archivy]

Originally Posted by FT-86

All this 4k/8k tech is hard to decide when to jump to 4k.

My best advice is to treat technology like the stock market. That is to say, don't try to time the market. When you feel as if you need to buy a new tv, that's when you should jump in. Just come up with a dollar amount you'd feel comfortable spending on a TV, and then research what the best TV is on the market at that price point.

Sure, if it were October, you might want to wait until black Friday until making a purchase, but now's not the time for that. If you want a TV in January 2019 and you feel comfortable spending, for example, $2,000, just go around to your local and online retailers and write down all the TVs they have available around that price and a little less. Once you have a list of 5-10 TV options, read reviews for each of the TVs on your list and see which TV is right for you and begin paring down -- each TV has its pros and cons and your viewing conditions might tip the scale in favor of one over the other.

Note: I know you didn't ask for any of this advice, I just felt like writing it in case there's anybody else who's looking to buy a TV but is feeling paralyzed by the pace of new TV announcements. There seem to be newly advanced TVs coming out every six months now, so it's going to be impossible to time the market. Advancements are never going to stop, and you will never buy the perfect TV that won't be better'd six months later. Just buy when you need to and spend what you feel comfortable with and then don't stress about it until the next time you need a new TV. Then rinse, repeat, etc.

[King Crimson]

Certainly low-key but from what Panasonic plans on doing with their TV lineup in 2019 is very exciting now that they will have both DV and 10+ support. This while certainly small is the best news from CES so far for me, wish there was more info about IMAX Enhanced.

[dobyblue]

The GZ2000 sounds great, but when are these guys gonna take a page out of Pioneer's book and have their top of the line reference panel be a "monitor" and not have speakers at all? I've had four Panasonic plasmas and now a 65" EZ950 4K OLED and not once have I ever wondered how good my speakers are.

Surely 99.99% of people seeking out a reference panel are in the same boat. Keep your fluff, give me nothing but PQ in a slim frame and I'm happy.

Nice to see Panasonic's 2019 OLED will support DV.

[alexanderg823]

Originally Posted by King Crimson

Certainly low-key but from what Panasonic plans on doing with their TV lineup in 2019 is very exciting now that they will have both DV and 10+ support. This while certainly small is the best news from CES so far for me, wish there was more info about IMAX Enhanced.

I'd agree they seem to have the most enticing product of 2019 CES, however, at the end of the day it's essentially the same as the Sony Master Series A9F or A9G. The differentiation is so tiny. Sure, it's got HDR10+, but the sonys and LGs have dynamic HDR10 tone mapping, so whatever IMO.

One would expect that in a year with such modest improvements tech wise, we'd see some nice price reductions to compensate. Wait, who am I kidding?

I wonder if this was all done as a preparation for a potential global recession this year where there's not much expenditure on innovative techs when they're expecting sales will drop regardless? excuse the tinfoil hat...

[King Crimson]

Originally Posted by alexanderg823

I'd agree they seem to have the most enticing product of 2019 CES, however, at the end of the day it's essentially the same as the Sony Master Series A9F or A9G. The differentiation is so tiny. Sure, it's got HDR10+, but the sonys and LGs have dynamic HDR10 tone mapping, so whatever IMO.

One would expect that in a year with such modest improvements tech wise, we'd see some nice price reductions to compensate. Wait, who am I kidding?

I wonder if this was all done as a preparation for a potential global recession this year where there's not much expenditure on innovative techs when they're expecting sales will drop regardless? excuse the tinfoil hat...

Well this is the flagship but he said more will drop in February (other models) with dual HDR support which I find awesome.

[alexanderg823]

Originally Posted by King Crimson

Well this is the flagship but he said more will drop in February (other models) with dual HDR support which I find awesome.

Sure... But LG and Sony have been "dual HDR" already with DV and dynamic tone mapping. The differentiation here is remarkably limited.

It's great news for Panasonic fans, but it's small like you noted...

Any other year and such a feat would be a spec sheet check mark rather than a defining feature.

[samlop10]

Z9G Hands On Impressions

So it’s coming out during the second half of 2019. Wonder when they’ll announce the prices for them.


Edit: it seems like Sony is planning to announce availability and prices for the TVs during the spring:

https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...bigger-screens

[HDTV1080P]

The only reason HDR10+ is needed for 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray movie collectors is because certain studios decided to release certain titles in HDR10+ only instead of the better Dolby Vision HDR format.


This means consumers need all HDR formats in their player and display so that they can experience the best picture quality possible. The average consumer does not care about HDR and this is just a niche videophile feature for now.

[slimdude]

Samsung had refuse to support Dolby Vision, but they've blatantly carbon copied Dolby Vision's technology, created by Dolby Lab, and call it their own as HDR10+ which is a copycat, and I have a feeling that HDR10+ is going in the same way as HD-DVD from lack of support. A year or two, HDR10+ will be history.

[BLMN]

Originally Posted by samlop10

Z9G Hands On Impressions

So it’s coming out during the second half of 2019. Wonder when they’ll announce the prices for them.


Edit: it seems like Sony is planning to announce availability and prices for the TVs during the spring:

https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...bigger-screens

The Z9D 100” was 50k I can only imagine the Z9G 98” 8K being around that too.

Unfortunately too much for most of us here.

[avs commenter]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

The only reason HDR10+ is needed for 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray movie collectors is because certain studios decided to release certain titles in HDR10+ only instead of the better Dolby Vision HDR format.


This means consumers need all HDR formats in their player and display so that they can experience the best picture quality possible. The average consumer does not care about HDR and this is just a niche videophile feature for now.

I'd argue the average consumer does not have a UHD player and likely streams their 4k content.

[slimdude]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

The only reason HDR10+ is needed for 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray movie collectors is because certain studios decided to release certain titles in HDR10+ only instead of the better Dolby Vision HDR format.

No, HDR10+ is not necessarily needed, when HDR10+ is actually a replicant of Dolby Vision from Samsung. The majority of the brands and streaming services are supporting DV instead of HDR10+. There is only one brand (besides Samsung themselves) is supporting HDR10+, and that's Panasonic for now.