CES 2019 speculation & the facts

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by alexanderg823

Hmmm...

I can't help but feel really let down by CES this year.

Samsung - Showing off a MicroLED that may or may not be released to consumers this year, and even if they are, will be priced at like $20K at the cheapest. Their mainstream TVs are the 8K QLEDs are the same ones that were released last year, with a few additional sizes, with performance that is essentially the same as those shown at last year's CES. QD OLED is MIA.

LG - 2019 oleds on the whole are boring and the epitome of incremental upgrade. The only thing they have is a rollable OLED which is more of a gimmick than anything, and will also be priced out of the stratosphere.

Sony - Primarily junk disposable LCDs, no real improvement from last year - low zone count, some might even say worse now that they've switched to the wide angle so they're all essentially IPS screens. Z9G is huge and going to be priced out for most. 2019 OLED has marginal if any improvement over the A9F released late last year.

Vizio - Quantum dots and zones, they're essentially the same exact thing as Samsung's 2018 QLEDs, even down to the zone count, just priced a whole lot better. Still, no real innovation.

TCL/Hisense - Seems like some pretty decent innovation at low prices with MiniLED and the dual layer, but they're junk TVs so they probably won't work as well as advertised.



Just overall very disappointing. LEDs had quite a bit of momentum in recent years to finally overcome some inherent PQ problems and leap ahead, but have stalled out in 2019 in favor of regression in a race to the bottom - or in the case of Hisense, just straight up snake oil fantasies. No one seems to be using the miniLEDs that were hyped up last year except TCL.

OLED seems to have totally stagnated and is now resorting to gimmicks like rollable over panel PQ improvements. Samsung's QD OLED is totally missing in action despite rumors over the past few months. And MicroLED is an extremely expensive, ridiculously unaffordable proof of concept with some major issues with its "seams".

Overall 2019 is a total disappointment and seems like the industry just lost a lot of steam and gave up on the innovation in hopes that Samsung and LG will do all the R&D in the next 5 years for LCD replacement technology and license out the resulting tech.

Samsung's regular lineup wont be announced til March. There was no lineup announcement at ces last year either. They only had a secret Q9FN hidden in a private room but zero details about the specs or lineup. Also, those QD Oleds were never expected to be there at ces, the rumor is that Samsung won't begin experimenting until 2nd half 2019. So there might be a prototype at one of the events later this year at the absolute earliest. Today is the 1st open day of show floor, so wait and see what everyone has on the floor or any possible private demo rooms like last year.

Overall, this ces is nearly exactly the same as last year. All the se complaints about last year being a let down too.

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by slimdude

Samsung had refuse to support Dolby Vision, but they've blatantly carbon copied Dolby Vision's technology, created by Dolby Lab, and call it their own as HDR10+ which is a copycat, and I have a feeling that HDR10+ is going in the same way as HD-DVD from lack of support. A year or two, HDR10+ will be history.

No its not, it'll run concurrent just like DtsX and Dolby Atmos.

HdDvd is a horrible example because the Industry had to choose it or Blu Ray, u couldn't physically have both on 1 disc.

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by slimdude

No, HDR10+ is not necessarily needed, when HDR10+ is actually a replicant of Dolby Vision from Samsung. The majority of the brands and streaming services are supporting DV instead of HDR10+. There is only one brand (besides Samsung themselves) is supporting HDR10+, and that's Panasonic for now.

TCL and Hisense also.

[alexanderg823]

Originally Posted by ray0414

Samsung's regular lineup wont be announced til March. There was no lineup announcement at ces last year either. They only had a secret Q9FN hidden in a private room but zero details about the specs or lineup. Also, those QD Oleds were never expected to be there at ces, the rumor is that Samsung won't begin experimenting until 2nd half 2019. So there might be a prototype at one of the events later this year at the absolute earliest. Today is the 1st open day of show floor, so wait and see what everyone has on the floor or any possible private demo rooms like last year.

Overall, this ces is nearly exactly the same as last year. All the se complaints about last year being a let down too.

At their CES press conference last year, Samsung announced that their 2018 QLED line up would switch back to FALD, which was a massive bomb to drop at the time considering their 2017 lineup was all edge lit. No bombs like that this year. Instead, all we get is bigger sizes of a model already released.

[slimdude]

Originally Posted by ray0414

No its not, it'll run concurrent just like DtsX and Dolby Atmos.

Yes it will, mark my words. No other brand is going to support HDR10+ except Panasonic and if so, they would've jump onboard by now. It's not going to happen!

[King Crimson]

Originally Posted by slimdude

Yes it will, mark my words. No other brand is going to support HDR10+ except Panasonic and if so, they would've jump onboard by now. It's not going to happen!

Lionsgate just jumped on board.

[puddy77]

Dell's XPS 13 is its first laptop with Dolby Vision

https://www.engadget.com/2019/01/08/...aming-laptops/

[slimdude]

Originally Posted by King Crimson

Lionsgate just jumped on board.

I was referring to TVs.

[JohnAV]

As seen on MacRumors

Apple has now shared a list of AirPlay 2–enabled TVs announced to date:

• LG OLED (2019)
• LG NanoCell SM9X series (2019)
• LG NanoCell SM8X series (2019)
• LG UHD UM7X series (2019)
• Samsung QLED Series (2019 and 2018)
• Samsung 8 Series (2019 and 2018)
• Samsung 7 Series (2019 and 2018)
• Samsung 6 Series (2019 and 2018)
• Samsung 5 Series (2019 and 2018)
• Samsung 4 Series (2019 and 2018)
• Sony Z9G Series (2019)
• Sony A9G Series (2019)
• Sony X950G Series (2019)
• Sony X850G Series (2019 85", 75", 65" and 55" models)
• Vizio P-Series Quantum (2019 and 2018)
• Vizio P-Series (2019, 2018 and 2017)
• Vizio M-Series (2019, 2018 and 2017)
• Vizio E-Series (2019, 2018 and 2017)
• Vizio D-series (2019, 2018 and 2017)

[puddy77]

Lenovo's Yoga A940 desktop and S940 laptop both have Dolby Vision.

[samlop10]

Originally Posted by BLMN

The Z9D 100” was 50k I can only imagine the Z9G 98” 8K being around that too.

Unfortunately too much for most of us here.

I definitely wouldn’t even consider the 98”, but maybe the 85” if it’s not exaggeratedly priced. Samsung’s first 85” 8K TV was $15K when it was first released last year, I’m thinking the 85” Z9G will be within the same ballpark if they want to compete with Samsung, maybe a little higher. I imagine it’d mainly depend on the number of dimming zones and how well the contrast and blooming (or lack thereof) are. If they’re great, then I can see it being priced higher.

[nick4Knight]

Originally Posted by alexanderg823

At their CES press conference last year, Samsung announced that their 2018 QLED line up would switch back to FALD, which was a massive bomb to drop at the time considering their 2017 lineup was all edge lit.

Small technicality but the Q7fn was still edge lit but I guess you may have merely meant the premium end of QLED line -- Hell the Q6fn is as well but that's an out-and-out budget QLED

[JohnAV]

CES 2019 - LG HU85L Lazer Projector - YouTube

[JohnAV]

CES 2019 - LG 49WL95C Dual Quad HD Monitor - YouTube

[JohnAV]

Good video with LG actual demonstration talking to a LG rep

CES 2019 - LG OLEDR9 Rollable OLED TV - YouTube

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by alexanderg823

At their CES press conference last year, Samsung announced that their 2018 QLED line up would switch back to FALD, which was a massive bomb to drop at the time considering their 2017 lineup was all edge lit. No bombs like that this year. Instead, all we get is bigger sizes of a model already released.

They didn't announce specs or lineup, just the full array part. The lineup will be unveiled in March, just like last year. The only difference is we don't have Rudy giving us a heads up as to what's coming like last year. Rudy's contacts were reassigned and don't have product info anymore. Early word tho is Samsung's regular Qled flagship will have 720 zones and be QD on glass. But Samsung is saving all that stuff to announce where they can have all the attention.


BTW, just saw a rumor that QD oled is expected at ces next year. It will likely be extremely niche tho. Early word is that Samsung was only ably to secure 5000 panels per month when they begin their allocation.

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by slimdude

Yes it will, mark my words. No other brand is going to support HDR10+ except Panasonic and if so, they would've jump onboard by now. It's not going to happen!

Or u Mark my words? It may not be used, but it will still be available to use if needed to, particularly by smaller production companies that want to save money (Mil Creek).

[JohnAV]

CES 2019: Tech and gaming innovations - YouTube

Holographic TVs, Table Pong and facial recognition software are some of the things on display in the Innovation and Gaming hall at CES 2019.

[RalphoR]

Has Sony announced an upgrade to the x1000es? Or just the new X800?

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by RalphoR

Has Sony announced an upgrade to the x1000es? Or just the new X800?

Yes only to the x800. There is a updated model from Sony with the new UBP-X800M2 4K UHD Blu-ray Player With HDR coming that add's Dolby Vision this spring