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Old 05-13-2008, 11:35 PM   #441
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Review on Samsung LN52A650 (5:5 120HZ LCD display)



The Samsung 650 series web link on the main list has been updated to include the CNET review. The Samsung LCD display will refresh 1080P/24 material at 120HZ using true 5:5 pulldown when Auto Motion Plus is turned off. When AMP is off each 24fps frame is repeated 5X times until 120HZ is reached.
Just because this set and other LCD screens on the list do true 5:5 pulldown it does not mean they perform the pulldown perfectly. In the CNET review the reviewer could not tell the difference between 1080P/24 and 1080P/60 with the source material they were using on both Sony and Samsung 120HZ LCD displays. If one watches a lot of BLU-RAY movies on a high-end JVC or Sony LCOS Front Projector or a Pioneer Plasma screen one can see the difference in fast moving scenes and camera panning shots. The judder is greatly reduced on some displays and the image has a more film like quality compared to smooth 60HZ video.
Displays that do true 48HZ, 72HZ, 96HZ, and 120HZ refresh rates are not all created equal. The specs on paper might look good but in reality some displays do to response time limitations or other reasons do not perform good in real world performance. A good 48HZ LCD Front Projector, 48HZ DLP Front projector, and 96HZ LCOS Front projector many times reduces the judder better then a 120HZ LCD flat panel screen.
To some this 1080P/24 and 1080P/60 feature is a minor feature since most of us all have been watching 60HZ 3:2 pulldown for most of our lives. I have seen the film like quality that good 1080P/24 displays have and I prefer it too displays that do not offer that feature. This feature is so important that the BLU-RAY format places 24fps on all film based BLU-RAY discs. Many professional videotape sources are also 1080P/24. When one is in the market to purchase a new 1080P display it makes since to get a display that handles 1080P/24 correctly.

Quote from CNET review

"We also turned AMP off, along with the Sony's de-judder processing, and switched our PS3 to 1080p/24 mode. We really couldn't tell the difference between 1080p/24 and 1080p/60 on either of the sets, so we suspect they don't perform the perfect 5x conversion from 24 frames to 120. Samsung's engineers (along with Sony's) claim the 52LN650 can perform this conversion, but if so, it doesn't make much difference.”

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-ln52a650/4505-6482_7-32887597.html?tag=prod.txt.1

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Old 05-14-2008, 12:27 AM   #442
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The BenQ W5000 1080p projector now properly supports 24p with the latest firmware (1.12)
The BenQ W20000 should aswell.

Might be good to add them to the list.

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The BenQ W5000 1080p projector now properly supports 24p with the latest firmware (1.12)

The BenQ W20000 should aswell.

Thanks for the info. Do you have a link with this info?
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Old 05-14-2008, 12:29 AM   #444
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The following Sony LCD screens have been moved from list number 1 to list number 3 for further verification


In a prior news release it was mentioned that the Sony KDL-XBR6 series had Motion Enhancer technology with 120HZ. It appears that the specs have changed before the product was released. According to Sony’s instruction manual’s motion Enhancer and 120HZ is not even an option offered on the new Sony’s. The following displays might still have 120HZ but it is not mentioned in the instruction manual. It does mention Cinemotion feature which perhaps might refresh 1080P/24 at 48HZ or 120HZ. The tread in electronics seems to be moving toward the Walmart society where the goal is to eliminate expensive nice features in order to offer a product that is lower cost to purchase. Hopefully Sony did not drop 120HZ from the following new models in order to offer a cheaper price product. 120HZ is needed to reduce motion blur on LCD. Some companies were planning on coming out with 240HZ LCD’s that even greatly improve on LCD motion blur. If 240HZ LCD’s make it to market it will be interesting to see if they can start to out perform Plasma screens in some areas.

Now located on list number 3 pending a review or official spec sheet

Sony KDL-37XBR6 (1080P/24 might be refreshed correctly with Cinemotion)
Sony KDL-32XBR6 (1080P/24 might be refreshed correctly with Cinemotion)

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Old 05-14-2008, 12:54 AM   #445
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Thanks for the info. Do you have a link with this info?

The BenQ W5000 and W20000 have always claimed to support 24p...
http://www.benq.com.au/products/Proj...specifications

...However only the latest firmware really enables it. Here's some recent posts...
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...957897&page=34

One quote from the post...

"Just got my W20000 delivered from BenQ.

Quick first impressions:

- 1080/24 works now, also with Ps3 auto setting (1.02: only with "on")

- when I switch to 24 "off", the picture is horrible. Lots and lots of judder! 1.02 obviously didn't support 24p fully, but wasn't this bad. Luckily 24p works and is nice and fluid.

- Couldn't detect noise anymore... etc, etc.."
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The BenQ W5000 and W20000 have always claimed to support 24p...
http://www.benq.com.au/products/Proj...specifications

...However only the latest firmware really enables it. Here's some recent posts...
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...957897&page=34

One quote from the post...

"Just got my W20000 delivered from BenQ.

Quick first impressions:

- 1080/24 works now, also with Ps3 auto setting (1.02: only with "on")

- when I switch to 24 "off", the picture is horrible. Lots and lots of judder! 1.02 obviously didn't support 24p fully, but wasn't this bad. Luckily 24p works and is nice and fluid.

- Couldn't detect noise anymore... etc, etc.."
In the past there have been many new Front Projectors that used a 3:2 pulldown process when a 1080P/24 signal was applied. I will watch for a review to see if the new firmware does allow true multiplies of the original frame. According to the Benq spec sheet the project only supports a vertical scan rate between 50HZ-100HZ. Most DLP Front projectors have a 48HZ refresh rate when a 1080P/24 signal is applied. The Benq hardware does not support 48HZ according to the Australian spec sheet. Now it is possible that the new firmware update might allow the projector do a 3:3 pulldown (72HZ) or 4:4 pulldown (96HZ).
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Old 05-16-2008, 08:09 AM   #447
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Sony KDL-52XBR4 review in June 2008 Home Theater magazine


For those interested in the Sony XBR4 and XBR5 LCD flat panel screens there is a review on the KDL-52XBR4 on page 74-76 in the June 2008 Home Theater magazine.

Highlights from the review regarding 1080P/24

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“If you turn the Motion Enhancer off, each frame is simply repeated as many times needed to get 120HZ, with no interpolation”
So yes the Sony XBR4’s and Sony XBR5’s properly refresh 1080P/24 similar to a film projector in the movie theater.

Some negative and positives of having motionflow turned on
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“More and more LCD HDTV’s are designing to operate at 120HZ. When done correctly, 120 HZ operation can minimize motion blur, an ongoing issue with LCD (but, in my opinion, not a deal breaker on most recent designs). “
“Motionflow is Sony’s name for its 120 Hz technology, and it works as advertised. It can smooth motion in a starling fashion. But it can also make a 24-frame-per-second, film based source look like video. This can be jarring, particularly to a film purist. If you must use this feature, I recommend you stick to the standard setting and engage it only on video-based programming, such as sports. Avoid it on movies.”

So motion enhancer (motion flow) can improve the picture on some 60HZ video programs, but at the cost of adding artifacts to the picture once and a while. Motion Enhancer should be turned off when watching 1080P/24 BLU-RAY’s if one wants the image to look closer to film quality instead of a smooth 60HZ video quality.
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Old 05-16-2008, 08:59 AM   #448
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Marantz VP-11S2 DLP Front Projector (Has been added to the list) (48HZ refresh)



In the June 2008 issue (#132) of Widescreen review magazine there is a very detailed in depth 6 page review on the Marantz VP-11S2 DLP Front Projector starting on page 20. Of course ultra high-end 3 chip DLP projectors are better quality but they cost much more then this $15,000 single chip DLP projector. Widescreen Review is claiming this new single chip DLP is the best DLP front projector they have every reviewed.

Highlights from the review
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“The Marantz VP-11S2 is a new 1080P DLP Front Projector that replaces the previous VP-11S1 flagship projector.”
The Marantz VP-11S2 1080P DLP front projector is the first projector I have reviewed with Texas instruments new DC4 DLP technology. It produced the highest full-field contrast ratio I have measured from a DLP projector, and justifies the price premium over its sibling, the VP-15S1. “
“Plus the VP-11S2 will display “pixel-perfect” 1080P/24 native video from an HD-DVD or BLU-RAY Disc player without adding motion judder.”
“The VP-11S2 has an adjustable (4X, 5X, 6X) speed, seven-segment color wheel.”

1080P/24 feature with 48HZ refresh brief highlights (page 28 quotes)

The review has 2 long paragraphs regarding this frame rate conversion. Here are some brief highlights from the review.

“Video frame rates used for 24P film sources are normally 23.976(24/1.001) Hz, which the projector frame doubles at 47.952 Hz. Occasionally, sources produce rates that are exactly 60Hz or 24 Hz, although that is not common and not recommended. The auto 2 mode displays at 60Hz, 50Hz, and 48 Hz to provide compatibility with those signals (24HZ signals are frame doubled to 48HZ).”

Basically the review mentions that there are two auto modes and one manual mode for frame rate conversion so it offers the greatest compatibility with just about any player or source that is connected to the display.

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Old 05-16-2008, 09:53 AM   #449
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3-D 4K Cinema and maybe one day home 3-D 1080P BLU-RAY movies


Beginning on page 58 of the June 2008 Widescreen review magazine is part 1 of how 3-D Cinema technology works. What is interesting about this review is that currently the new 3-D technology only works with DLP technology which is used in 97% of Digital cinema’s. .

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“ However, DLP is not the only projector technology approved for use in digital cinemas. Sony’s SXRD’s LCOS technology, with 4K resolution (4096 X 2160) is also out there, although on comparatively few screens. Sadly, Sony’s current 4K projectors are not capable of single-projector 3D, but the company says it’s working on it.”

I do not know if 3-D will every take off in home cinema. I am sure if it becomes really popular in theaters that over a 10 year period consumers would start purchasing new 1080P 3-D capable displays with 3-D BLU-RAY movies. I would like to see good quality 3-D technology become popular then perhaps one day all movies will be produced in 3-D. It could be 20 before all movies are produced in 3-D. It all depends on how fast the technology takes off.
If 3-D does become popular at home I might create another list called “3-D displays that proper refresh 1080P at multiplies of the original frame since the frame rate works differently when watching a 3-D movie.

This is a interesting quote from Widescreen Review to read about the frame rate for 3-D projectors

“The solution is the same in both cases: flash (refresh) the images multiple times during each frame period. The minimum is twice per frame, giving 48 flashes per second.” A standard film projector does this using a double-bladed shutter. For a digital 3-D projector, 48 flashes per second for each eye are accomplished by using left-right-right sequences during each frame period, resulting in a total of 96 images per second.”
“However a good number of people can still see flicker with 48 flashes per second. That’s just as true, by the way film as it is for digital projection, but screen illumination levels for the former are usually much lower (which is to say, most film screens are seriously under illuminated!). The brighter the image, the higher the refresh rate at which you can still detect flicker. The solution is to triple flash, producing 72 flashes per second. A film projector requires a triple-bladed shutter to do that, which is uncommon. In digital 3-D projector, left-eye and right-eye images alternate three times during every frame period, for a total of 144 images per second.”

To reduce or eliminate the flicker in film the refresh rate needs to keep increasing. As screen brightness keeps increasing on displays we are going to need faster refresh rates one day like 10:10 pulldown 240HZ or higher.
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The following Sony W and Z series LCD flat panel displays have been added to the main list

According to Sony's website the following W and Z series flat panels use the exact same 120Hz Motion Enhancer technology as the XBR4 and XBR5 displays. To learn more about this 5:5 pulldown technology click on the following review of the XBR4 Sony display.

http://ultimateavmag.com/flatpaneldisplays/907sonyxbr4/

As soon as a professional review is published on the W and Z series that mentions the 1080P/24 feature and how it works the link on the main page will be updated. For now one can read the XBR4 review to see how the 120HZ feature works.

Sony KDL-52W4100 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Motion Enhancer is turned off)
Sony KDL-46W4100 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Motion Enhancer is turned off)
Sony KDL-40W4100 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Motion Enhancer is turned off)
Sony KDL-46Z4100/B (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Motion Enhancer is turned off)
Sony KDL-46Z4100/S (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Motion Enhancer is turned off)
Sony KDL-40Z4100/B (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Motion Enhancer is turned off)
Sony KDL-40Z4100/S (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Motion Enhancer is turned off)

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4 new Pioneer 2008 1080P Plasma’s have been added to the list

Pioneer Elite Kuro PRO-111FD 50” Plasma (72HZ) ($5,000 manufactories suggested list price) PRO-111FD.pdf

Pioneer Elite Kuro PRO-151FD 60” Plasma (72HZ) ($6,500 manufactories suggested list price) PRO-151FD.pdf

Pioneer Kuro PDP-5020FD 50” Plasma (72HZ) ($4,000 manufactories suggested list price) PDP-5020.pdf

Pioneer Kuro PDP-6020FD 60” Plasma (72Hz) ($5,500 manufactories suggested list price) PDP-6020.pdf

Some Positive comments about the new Pioneer Plasma displays:

I am glad to hear that the new 9th generation Pioneer Plasmas will have 5X deeper black levels compared to the discontinued 8th generation Pioneer Kuro’s. Of course we will need to wait for a professional review to see how much better quality picture the 9th generation Kuro’s really are. When comparing last years top of the line 60 inch Elite to this year’s 60 inch Elite one will soon discover that not only is this year’s Kuro in theory a better quality picture but also Pioneer was able to do it at $1,000 cheaper. The PDP-150FD list price was $7,500 and the new PDP-151FD is only $6,500. This will make some consumers happy.

Negative comments about the new Pioneer Plasma displays:

It is great consumers can purchase a 5X deeper black Pioneer Plasma at a cheaper price. The $1,000 cheaper price on the Elite 60 inch comes at a price. Pioneer to cut costs eliminated features from its 2008 Kuro line. The first feature that is missing from the new 2008 Kuro displays is the one way cable card technology. On the 2007 models one could use the built in tuner in the Pioneer and subscribe to premium movie channels without the need to rent a external cable box. Most other manufactories have eliminated the cable card from their product also. One problem with the one way cable card technology is that one still needed a cable box for Video on demand and PPV movies. There is a two way cable card technology available now but all display manufactories so far have decided not to include 2 way QAM tuners with cable card technology and only a few companies still offer one way cable card slots. Cable card features over the years has been known to add several hundred dollars to the cost of a display when the technology was first introduced. Hopefully in the future manufactories will move to a cheaper better two way software downloadable version that is integrated in displays.
Another cost-cutting feature removed from the 2008 Kuro line is the fact they now only have 2 tuners instead of 3. Last years Kuro line had 1 ATSC/QAM tuner with 2 NTSC tuners. This years Kuro has 1 ATSC/QAM tuner and 1 NTSC tuner. Of course on Feb 17th 2009 all over the air broadcasts are switching to ATSC and the NTSC tuner for people that do not have cable TV will not be a issue. The NTSC tuner will still be used on some cable systems for a few more years until cable companies switch to 100% QAM. So if you are really into Picture and Picture there is now only two tuners instead of three tuners.
Dropping the cable card and one NTSC tuner are minor issues for me. The picture quality is the most important thing I am concerned about. One low cost feature that is missing that could not have cost more than $30 is the fact that the built in RF antenna/cable A/B switch on the new Pioneer Plasmas is eliminated. Instead of 2 RF inputs this years models only have one RF input. On last year’s 2007 Kuro models there was a built in RF A/B switch that allows one to switch between cable TV and an outdoor/indoor antenna. This small low cost feature really bothers me. Of course most people watch either satellite or cable TV and do not bother with a outdoor antenna. Local HD broadcasts using an indoor/outdoor antenna usually is better quality then what the satellite and cable company provide. Now this years Kuro owners that have both cable TV without the cable box and a indoor/outdoor antenna will need to purchase a remote control RF A/B switch at Radio Shack for around $40. I wish manufactories would not eliminate low cost features that are important to some people.
Another feature that is missing this year is the free interactive on screen TV guide. For those that rent a cable box or subscribe to satellite TV this is not a big issue. That was just a few of the things I noticed that is missing from this years Kuro line. If one connects a cable box or satellite receiver to the display one will not notice most of these features are missing. Since I watch mostly BLU-RAY’s I do not rent or own a satellite receiver or cable box.
Another thing that is missing is last years model had 2 component video inputs but this year there is only 1 component input. All the other inputs like 4 HDMI, 3 composite, and 1 S-Video are exactly the same compared to last years model. Many years ago it use to be that for every composite video input there was also one S-Video jack per composite video jack. For example the Pioneer Kuro has 3 composite video jacks for legacy 480I equipment but it only has 1 S-Video jack. It would be nice to have a shared S-Video jack on each one of those 3 composite video jacks. There are people that still own legacy S-VHS machines and other equipment that would like to see 3 S-Video inputs that are shared with 3 composite inputs. It seems to be the tread on all brands and models of TV’s to either eliminate the legacy 480I S-Video jack or to only include one S-Video jack.
This years Ethernet connection on the Elite Kuro is still only 100Mbps per second. It would have been ideal to have a 1000Mbps Ethernet connection for those that have gigabyte wired home networks.

I actually wish Pioneer would raise the cost $1,000 on the Plasmas and bring back some neat feature that I like. It appear that this years model is not SimplayHD certified also. Over all most consumers will prefer the lower price with less features compared to last years models.

** All above comparisons were made using the above Pioneer official spec sheets for the 9th generation models. My only hope is that the spec sheets are wrong and when the final product is released that some of the features I like on the 8th generation 2007 models will still be on the 9th generation Pioneer 2008 models. **


UPDATE:
The comments above originally posted on May 16th 2008 regarding features that were removed are correct. Below is a update to the offical spec sheets that was just released by Pioneer.

4 new Pioneer 2008 1080P Plasma’s officially have been released (link to Pioneer PDF spec sheets updated)


Pioneer Elite Kuro PRO-111FD 50” Plasma (72HZ) ($5,000 manufactories suggested list price) http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/ephox/StaticFiles/PUSA/Files/PRO-111FD.pdf

Pioneer Elite Kuro PRO-151FD 60” Plasma (72HZ) ($6,500 manufactories suggested list price) http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/ephox/StaticFiles/PUSA/Files/PRO-151FD.pdf

Pioneer Kuro PDP-5020FD 50” Plasma (72HZ) ($4,000 manufactories suggested list price) http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/ephox/StaticFiles/PUSA/Files/PDP-5020FD.pdf

Pioneer Kuro PDP-6020FD 60” Plasma (72Hz) ($5,500 manufactories suggested list price) http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/ephox/StaticFiles/PUSA/Files/PDP-6020FD.pdf

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Sony BRAVIA KDL-52XBR4 May 2008 Home Theater review

Here is another review on the Sony KDL-52XBR4 for those that are interested in this display. This display is already on the list.

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http://hometheatermag.com/lcds/608sonykdl52/
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Panasonic PT-AE2000U LCD Front Projector (June 2008 review link)

Here is another review on the Panasonic PT-AE2000U that came out in June 2008 at the UltimateAVmag.com website. This projector has been on the list for a while since it has a 96HZ refresh rate for 1080P/24 source material.

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“One feature common to both models is how they display 1080p/24 material. When the projector receives such a signal, it repeats each frame four times, resulting in a refresh rate of 96Hz. This is fairly rare and welcome news for Blu-ray movie buffs, because it results in smoother motion than 1080p/24 displayed at 60Hz, which is a much more common scenario.”
http://ultimateavmag.com/videoprojectors/508panapro/
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The Planar PD8150 DLP Front Projector has been added to the list.



Positives (projector offers true 48HZ refresh rate for 1080P 24fps material)
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“With the DLP Frame Rate control set to Auto, a 60fps source was displayed at 60Hz, while a 24fps source was reproduced at 48Hz.”
“As a single-chip DLP projector, the Planar uses a 6x color wheel. The wheel rotates at 6x the frame rate—360Hz for a 60fps source and 288Hz for a 24fps source that has been upconverted by the projector to display at 48Hz.”


Negatives of single chip DLP projectors

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“All single-chip DLP projectors are subject to the so-called "rainbow effect"—flashes of color caused by the rotating color wheel and the characteristics of the eye. And the brighter the projector, the more obvious this effect can be. Some people are totally immune to seeing this effect, while others are not. I'm in the latter group. I did occasionally spot rainbows on the Planar, but they were infrequent and merely a minor distraction.”

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Highs
Excellent black level and brightness—an uncommon combination
Extremely accurate color
First-rate video processing for both HD and SD
Exceptional adjustability
Lows
Will not reproduce above-white or below-black
Occasional color-wheel rainbows might bother some viewers
Less-flexible gamma controls than I'd like”

Quotes taken from the following review
http://ultimateavmag.com/videoprojectors/608plan/index2.html
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The Panasonic Plasma flat panel 800U and 850U series have been moved from list 3 to list number 1 (Potential flicker Issue with 48Hz)



In keeping with the tradition of adding any brand and model of display that refreshes 1080P/24 at correct refresh rates and avoids the 3:2 pull down process I have added the following displays to the current in production and coming soon list (list number 1).

Panasonic TH-50PZ800U (48HZ)

Panasonic TH-46PZ800U (48HZ)

Panasonic TH-42PZ800U (48HZ)

Panasonic TH-65PZ850U (48HZ) (Fall 2008)


Panasonic TH-58PZ850U (48HZ) (Fall 2008)

Panasonic TH-50PZ850U (48HZ) (Fall 2008)

Panasonic TH-46PZ850U (48HZ) (Fall 2008)

Warning about the 800U series (potential flicker)

Even though the Panasonic 800U has 48HZ refresh rates for 1080P/24 it should be noted that according to the CNET review the Panasonic 800U series is unwatchable with an ignoring flicker when a 1080P/24 signal is applied. Maybe Panasonic might fix this issue with a firmware update.

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We tested the Panasonic's "24p direct in" mode by setting it to 48Hz and switching our PS3 to 1080p/24 mode. After doing so, the first thing we noticed was significant flicker, which was most obvious in brighter areas of the picture, such as the overcast sky or sun-scorched desert hardpan, but was present throughout. The flicker made the image basically unwatchable, and we much preferred the look of standard 60Hz mode. If it weren't for the flicker, however, the 24p mode would be great, because it did make movement appear more natural, removing the hitching in motion associated with 60Hz's necessary 2:3 pull-down process. We feel most viewers will notice and object to the flicker enough to abandon the 48Hz setting, however. “
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It failed to properly deinterlace film-based 1080i material, according to our HQV test, although as usual that failure was difficult to spot in program material.”

All quotes taken from the following review
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-viera-th-50pz800u/4505-6482_7-32886472.html?tag=nl.e722

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Mitsubishi HC6000 LCD front projector (June 2008 Sound and Vision review)

Here is another review on the Mitsubishi HC6000 LCD front projector that correctly handles 1080P/24 and refreshes the image a 48HZ similar to a movie projector.

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The HC6000 will also accept a 24p input from a Blu-ray Disc player, automatically frame-doubling the signal to a 48p display.
http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/tests/2844/mitsubishi-hc6000-lcd-front-projector.html
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Old 06-13-2008, 10:11 PM   #457
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Toshiba LCD Flat Panel 52XF550U Sound and Vision July/August 2008 review information




The Toshiba XF550U series offer true 5:5 pulldown according to the following new Sound and Vision review. Perhaps one day Toshiba might release a BLU-RAY player to take full advantage of these new Toshiba displays. On the new Toshiba XV540U and XF550U series of displays when the Film Stabilization option is set to standard mode the Toshiba’s will perform true 5:5 pulldown.

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"Notably, the set supports 1080p/24 input signals from Blu-ray Disc players, with a "5:5 pulldown" option that preserves the original film-frame sequence."

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"The ClearFrame 120-Hz feature can be switched on in the menu. Motion Vector Frame Interpolation processing is used to derive additional frames from the incoming video signal; with a standard 60-Hz source, this effectively doubles the number of video frames being displayed per second. A Film Stabilization option also provides Standard and Smooth modes for handling film-based programs. When sending a 1080p/24 signal to the TV from a Blu-ray player, the Standard mode engages 5:5 pulldown (each original film frame that's been encoded to video is displayed five times to hit the TV's 120-Hz refresh rate). The Smooth mode, meanwhile, adds processing to eliminate the motion-judder artifacts that are part and parcel of the film-watching experience.”

Clear frame appears to be artifact free when smoothing 60HZ video sources at 120HZ refresh rate.

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"As a movie fan, I proceed cautiously with motion-interpolation modes on 120-Hz LCDs, some of which can impart an unnatural "sped-up" look. But Toshiba's ClearFrame feature proved effective and artifact-free at all settings, including the judder-fighting Smooth mode. As my Blu-ray player supplied a 1080p/24 signal with ClearFrame and Standard Film Stabilization enabled, pictures looked razor-sharp even in complex tracking shots along fences or across signs."

Sound and Vision review where quotes where taken from:
http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/hdt...-lcd-hdtv.html

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Planar PD8150 DLP Front Projector with true 1080P/24
(July 2008 Home theater review)




For those that are interested in single chip DLP Front Projectors, here is a second review on the Planar PD8150 projector that also mentions the true 1080P/24 feature. This review can be found on pages 62-65 of the July 2008 Home Theater magazine. The list price on this projector is $7,999.

1080P/24 BLU-RAY input highlights

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“Most projectors have a typical refresh rate of 60HZ, but we are seeing more and more add 48-Hz support for 1080P/24 sources.” The PD8150 allows for Auto, which selects the refresh rate based on the incoming video signal, 48-Hz, 50-Hz, and 60-Hz.”

Reverse 3:2 pulldown for watching standard 480I DVD’s and 1080I HD film based programming

For those interested in upconverting 480I or 1080I film based material to 1080P/24 very few displays offer reverse 3:2 pulldown feature. Many of the displays on the list lack 3:2 pulldown detection with 1080P/24 upconvert. The Planar will perform a reverse 3:2 pulldown and display the image at 1080P with a 48HZ refresh rate. Of course native 1080P/24 source material from BLU-RAY will always look better compared to upconverted 480I 60HZ material. Also native 24fps is always better since errors can occur in either the 3:2 pulldown encoding or decoding process. When every possible avoiding 3:2 pulldown is the best solution for film based material.

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“For example, with film-based DVD’s encoded with 3:2 pulldown at 60Hz, the user can choose 48-Hz conversion. The processing strips the signal back to its original 24 frames per second and plays it back at 48Hz, eliminating the judder inherent in the 3:2 sequence.”

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“I was continually impressed by the razor-sharp image the PD8150 provided. I’d been living with the JVC DLA-RS2 for quite some time before I received this unit. While the PD8150 did not quite deliver the blacks, I was enamored of the color fielity."

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“The PD8150 is one of the best front projectors I’ve had the chance to use in my theater. It has the best contrast of any DLP I’ve used to date and has image accuracy that you rarely see in the front-projector market. This is also one of the only DLP projectors that let you have both high light output and dark blacks for high contrast. This is a mix we rarely ever see from this segment of the market. Planar has done an amazing job with its first dip into the 1080p market, and once Planar resolves the clipping issue, this is a projector I would be happy to use as a reference display.”

http://hometheatermag.com/frontproje...ar/index1.html

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All Westinghouse displays so far are 60HZ only displays and will not be added to the list.

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These days, many LCD TVs refresh the image at twice the normal rate—120Hz instead of 60Hz—in order to reduce motion blur. The Westinghouse uses a refresh rate of 60Hz, no doubt to keep the cost down. With 1920x1080 native resolution, it can accept all signals including 1080p/60 and 1080p/24, though it applies 3:2 pulldown to 1080p/24.”

Quote taken from review of the Westinghouse TX-52F480S
http://ultimateavmag.com/flatpaneldisplays/608west/
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4 new Pioneer 2008 1080P Plasma’s officially have been released (link to Pioneer PDF spec sheets updated)


Pioneer Elite Kuro PRO-111FD 50” Plasma (72HZ) ($5,000 manufactories suggested list price) http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/ephox/StaticFiles/PUSA/Files/PRO-111FD.pdf

Pioneer Elite Kuro PRO-151FD 60” Plasma (72HZ) ($6,500 manufactories suggested list price) http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/ephox/StaticFiles/PUSA/Files/PRO-151FD.pdf

Pioneer Kuro PDP-5020FD 50” Plasma (72HZ) ($4,000 manufactories suggested list price) http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/ephox/StaticFiles/PUSA/Files/PDP-5020FD.pdf

Pioneer Kuro PDP-6020FD 60” Plasma (72Hz) ($5,500 manufactories suggested list price) http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/ephox/StaticFiles/PUSA/Files/PDP-6020FD.pdf

All of the above ninth generation Pioneer Plasmas will refresh 1080P/24 at 72HZ and in theory have a better picture quality compared to the discontinued 8th generation Pioneers do to the 5X deeper blacks. A official review is not out yet on the new Pioneer models. The one negative about the new Pioneer Plasmas are some nice features were removed in order to offer the displays at a lower price compared to last years models.
For more details about the features that were removed that also results in a cheaper price see my prior post regarding this issue.
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=886555&postcount=444

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