3D/2D Displays that support 3D & 2D & 24p at multiplies of the original frame rate

[HDTV1080P]

It's official Pioneer has ended production of Plasma screens and Kuro Front Projectors (First half of 2009)

Most home electronics generally have no more than a 30% markup. Pioneer's cheapest display was the PDP-5020FD which original had a list price of $4,000. This Christmas when I saw warehouse clubs offering the PDP-5020FD for around $2,200 and now mail order companies offering the display for around $1,900 that price has to be way below what it cost Pioneer to make. One cannot stay in business if the displays are being sold below cost. There is so much competition and the average consumer wants a 1080P display under $1,000 and now VIZIO makes a 22 inch 1080P 60HZ TV that sells in retail stores for under $300. It is a tough market and more high-end display manufactories might soon follow Pioneer if they cannot make a profit.

http://pioneer.jp/press-e/2009/pdf/release_3q09e_02.pdf

"Pioneer has been implementing restructuring measures mainly to improve profitability in the display business since 2008. These measures have included termination of inhouse plasma display panel production and implementation of early retirement programs including personnel in administrative and sales divisions. Overseas, we have started to streamline our sales structures and have decided to close plasma display production facilities. Plans call for ending production at our U.S. and U.K. display production facilities in April and February 2009, respectively. Pioneer expects to complete these restructuring measures within the first half of 2009.
Pioneer’s consolidated workforce decreased by approximately 5,900 employees from March 31, 2008 to roughly 36,900 employees as of December 31, 2008. The number of temporary employees also decreased by approximately 4,000 in the same period. However, Pioneer has been affected significantly by dramatic changes in economic conditions since the fall of 2008—an impact that has far outweighed the benefits being generated by the aforementioned restructuring measures. Pioneer is now forecasting a record net loss for fiscal 2009, the year ending March 31, 2009."

"Pioneer will terminate any further in-house display product development after its products currently available on the market, and withdraw from the display business by March 2010. Recent market conditions have changed far more than initially anticipated, and Pioneer has decided to withdraw from the display business after concluding that there are no prospects for improving profitability under current conditions. However, the Company will continue to provide after-sales services even after the withdrawal"

Pioneer will still make BLU-RAY/DVD players and focus on home and car audio products

"In the optical disc business, we are considering measures for improving profitability,including forming a joint venture."

"Looking ahead, Pioneer will develop Home Electronics business centered on three areas, namely audio products, DJ equipment and cable TV set-top box businesses. We will focus on our specialization in “sound,” as we take advantage of our extensive audio
technologies and expertise developed over the years to develop new business domains."

[HDTV1080P]

Sony Bravia KDL-55XBR8 55 inch 1080P LCD

Sound and Vision (Feb/March 2009 review link)

Here is another review on the Sony KDL-55XBR8 which is the best quality LCD currently on the market. The Sony contains RGB LED backlighting which gives it better color accurace, deeper blacks, and very good shadow detail. 1080P/24 BLU-RAY signals are displayed on the screen correctly using 5:5 pulldown when motion enhancer is turned off.

Quotes
"Motion Enhancer and CineMotion are two other Picture menu items worth visiting. These let you adjust how the set upconverts film-based content to its 120-Hz display rate either by adding various processing to remove motion judder from film-based programs or by applying a simple 5:5 pulldown when viewing Blu-ray movies with your player set for 1080p/24 output. Both options can be configured separately for each of the Sony’s inputs. With either the Clear or the Standard Motion Enhancer modes, the Sony’s picture appeared blur-free and onscreen motion appeared natural. But when I used the set’s Smooth Motion Enhance and Auto 1 CineMotion options, the onscreen action looked too smooth and was marred by occasional motion-trail artifacts."

"Even though flat-panel LCD TVs continue to sell better than plasma sets, the best plasmas still outperform the best LCDs. But during the past year, both Samsung and Sharp introduced LCD models that use LED backlight arrays with “local dimming” to deliver deep, film-like blacks — the technology’s traditional shortcoming. And while none of the ones we’ve tested has yet managed to topple Pioneer’s Kuro plasma as our reference-standard TV, some have come close. With LED backlighting now in the picture, plasma’s got a reason to watch its back."

"Sony’s KDL-55XBR8 delivers the best performance of any LCD TV I’ve tested. But it’s not perfect. Its narrow viewing angle restricts optimum picture contrast to viewers sitting front and center of the screen, while its bulky 6-inch cabinet depth and non-detachable side-mounted speakers make it a less sleek option than other LED-backlit models. Putting those considerations aside, the 55XBR8 goes far toward eliminating any performance differences between LCD and plasma."

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/hdtvs/3096/sony-bravia-kdl-55xbr8-55-inch-lcd-hdtv.html

[HDTV1080P]

Bad Week For Plasma HDTV Lovers

Pioneer and Vizio head for the exit door.
By Joseph Whip
Special to TVPredictions.com

The complete article can be read at the following link.

http://www.tvpredictions.com/whipflat021509.htm

This is just a few quotes from the article.


"It goes without saying that It has been a really bad week for for flat panel manufacturers, especially those that manufacture Plasma HDTVs."

"The biggest news, of course, is the demise of Pioneer, who was the industry leader in the entire flat panel industry in terms of image quality and performance with their Kuro line."

"These sets will be missed and the fact that their 10th generation panels featuring ultimate blacks will never be released is a real shame. I saw a prototype at the 2008 CES and I can say without hesitation that it produced the finest image I have even seen."

"While the plasma market seems to taking the biggest hit at this time, the LCD market is taking quite a hit as well. My guess at this point is that by the end of Q1 2010, you will see several other flat panel makers announce that they are getting out of the business and that the ones that are left will be further scaling back production and slowing the pace of more costly product innovations, including OLED panels. It is quite possible that today's Pioneer Elite panels will not be surpassed in terms of image quality for the next 2 or 3 years. Given the incredible leaps in picture quality that we have seen in the past"

[HDTV1080P]

The following Hitachi Plasma models have been moved to the discontinued 1080P/24 displays list (list 3 of 3)

According to my sources the following true 1080p/24 models are no longer in production:

Hitachi P50X902 (48HZ Plasma) Click to the left for product review

Hitachi P50V702 (48HZ Plasma) Click to the left for spec sheet

Hitachi P50S602 (48HZ Plasma) Click to the left for spec sheet

Also according to this twice article, Hitachi was planning on withdrawing from plasma module production in the first half of 2009.

Quote
"Since Hitachi and Pioneer will withdraw from plasma module production in the first half of 2009, only three major panel makers are left in the plasma industry".
http://www.twice.com/article/CA6634054.html

Hopefully Hitachi will announce some new plasma models for 2009 if Panasonic starts making the plasma modules for Hitachi. Watch for a positive or negative announcement from Hitachi this year regarding their future plans regarding plasma's. At one time there was a agreement for Panasonic to supply panels for Hitachi. http://www.hitachi.com/New/cnews/070524b.html

Even though the Hitachi plasmas did not have as good as picture quality as the Pioneer Kuro plasmas, the Hitachi Plasma's are some of the best plasmas on the market with a 48HZ refresh rate for 1080P/24 material. Here is a excellent PDF review on the Hitachi's top of the line plasma the P50X902 http://www.hitachi-homeelectronics.us/supportingdocs/forhome/ubcg/prodrev/Hitachi50X902Sound_Visionweb_1008.pdf

Quote from review above

"The Hitachi’s Cinema 48 film mode — which performs 2:2 pulldown on 1080p/24-frame signals coming from a Blu-ray player and displays them at a 48-Hz refresh rate — did a great job of smoothing judder in a difficult pan-and-zoom sequence from Fool’s Gold. "

"While its $3,695 list price is a little high, Hitachi’s P50X902 represents a new level of performance and engineering prowess for the company. It can’t beat Pioneer’s plasmas (especially the ’08 models) at reproducing deep-black shadows, but most people would be hard-pressed to tell the difference. Throw in the Hitachi’s superior, user-friendly menu system and remote control, plus the set’s cool aesthetics and swivel base, and you’ve got a TV worth taking a good look at."

Hitachi Plasma displays currently are going for excellent prices

There are limited quantities of the Hitachi panels available from dealers and they can be purchased at excellent prices.

1. Hitachi Director Series P50X902 top of the line 50 inch Plasma, free weekly on screen TV guide, (2 year part and labor warranty), List price $3.695.

Can be purchased as low as $1,599 plus shipping charges
http://www.pricescan.com/Hitachi-P50X902-Plasma-TV/el/233331.html

2. Hitachi P50V702 is the second best Hitachi 50 inch Plasma, free weekly on screen TV guide, (1 year part and labor warranty).

Can be purchased as low as $1,299.99 plus shipping charges
http://www.pricescan.com/Hitachi-P50V702-UltraVision-Plasma-TV/el/233332.html

3. Hitachi P50S602 is the cheapest Hitachi that offers a 48HZ refresh rate, 50 inch Plasma, only daily free on screen TV guide, (1 year part and labor warranty).
Can be purchased for under $1300, shipping fees vary
http://www.pricescan.com/Hitachi-P50S602-UltraVision-Plasma-TV/el/233334.html

[HDTV1080P]

The following Pioneer models have been moved to the discontinued 1080P/24 displays list
(list 3 of 3)

Front Projector

Pioneer PRO-FPJ1 LCOS Front Projector (96Hz refresh rate for 1080P/24) 60HZ sources are refreshed at 120HZ

(Click above for more detailed info)

Plasma (flat panel)

Pioneer Elite Kuro PRO-101FD 50” Plasma (72HZ) (Click to the left for more detailed info)

Pioneer Elite Kuro PRO-141FD 60” Plasma (72HZ) (Click to the left for more detailed info)

Pioneer Elite Kuro PRO-111FD 50” Plasma (72HZ) (Click to the left for more detailed info)

Pioneer Elite Kuro PRO-151FD 60” Plasma (72HZ) (Click to the left for more detailed info)

Pioneer Kuro PDP-5020FD 50” Plasma (72HZ) (Click to the left for more detailed info)

Pioneer Kuro PDP-6020FD 60” Plasma (72HZ) (Click to the left for more detailed info)

Pioneer displays are currently are going for excellent prices

Warning only some dealers are authorized Pioneer dealers, the following link is a list of authorized online dealers (some of the links below might not include authorized dealers)

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/FindStore/Buy+Pioneer+Products+on+the+Internet

All Pioneer displays purchased from an authorized Pioneer dealer come with a warranty. Elite models have a 2 year parts and labor warranty and non Elites have a 1 year parts and labor warranty.

1. The Pioneer PRO-FPJ1 Elite Kuro Front Projector that projects a 60 to 200 inch size picture has a list price of $9,000.
Can be purchased as low as $3,799 plus $49.99 for shipping.
http://www.fotoconnection.com/p89052-pioneer-pro-fpj1-elite-kuro-black-front-screen-hd-projector.html

2. The Pioneer PRO-141FD Signature Elite series monitor list price is $7,000 (hand inspected parts and ultra slim 2.5 inch panel).
Can be found online for as low as $4,475 plus shipping. Price varies daily.
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/FindStore/Buy+Pioneer+Products+on+the+Internet
http://www.laplasma.com/product_info.php?products_id=612

The Pioneer PRO-141FD list price is $7,000 and does not include a wall mount or table top stand. Also this is a monitor only with no tuners or speakers to reduce cost. If Pioneer would have included a table top stand, tuners and speakers the display most likely would have had a list price between $8,000-$10,000. This display requires a stereo system or surround system plus a external tuner like a cable box or satellite receiver.

The above PRO-141FD requires either the wall mount or table top stand

2A. KRP-TS01 Table top stand for 60 inch Elite Signature series List price $400, Most dealers sale for $400, Can be found online for $299 once and a while. http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/HomeEntertainment/PlasmaTVs+Monitors/Accessories/ci.KRP-TS01.Kuro?tab=A

2B. KRP-WM01 Ultra slim Profile Wall mount for 60 inch Elite Signature series list price $350, Can be found online for $299 once and a while. http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/HomeEntertainment/PlasmaTVs+Monitors/Accessories/ci.KRP-WM01.Kuro

3. The Pioneer PRO-101FD Signature Elite series monitor original list price is $5,500 (hand inspected parts and ultra slim 2.5 inch panel).
Can be found online for as low as $3,299.50 plus free shipping.
http://www.pricescan.com/Pioneer-Elite-PRO-101FD-KURO-Plasma-Monitor/el/238161.html

The Pioneer PRO-101FD original list price is $5,500 and does not include a wall mount or table top stand. Also this is a monitor only with no tuners or speakers to reduce cost. This display requires a stereo system or surround system plus a external tuner like a cable box or satellite receiver.

The above PRO-101FD requires either the wall mount or table top stand

3A. KRP-TS02 Table Top Stand for 50 inch Elite Signature series List price $200. http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/HomeEntertainment/PlasmaTVs+Monitors/Accessories/ci.KRP-TS02.Kuro

3B. KRP-WM02 Ultra Slim Profile Wall mount for 50 inch Signature series list price $200.
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/HomeEntertainment/PlasmaTVs+Monitors/Accessories/ci.KRP-WM02.Kuro

4. The Pioneer Elite PRO-151FD list price is $6,500.
Can be found online for as low as $4,699 plus shipping
http://www.pricescan.com/Pioneer-Elite-KURO-PRO-151FD-Plasma-TV/el/231869.html

5. The Pioneer Elite PRO-111FD original list price is $5000.
Can be found online for as low as $2,849.18 plus free shipping.
http://www.pricescan.com/Pioneer-Elite-KURO-PRO-111FD-Plasma-TV/el/231868.html

6. The Pioneer PDP-6020FD has a list price of $5,500.
Can be found online for as low as $3,349 plus shipping
http://www.pricescan.com/Pioneer-KURO-PDP-6020FD-Plasma-TV/el/230678.html

7. The Pioneer PDP-5020FD original list price is $4,000
Can be found online for as low as $1,699 plus shipping. Basically around $1900 after shipping.
http://www.pricescan.com/Pioneer-KURO-PDP-5020FD-Plasma-TV/el/231833.html

[HDTV1080P]

Pioneer Elite PRO-111FD full color PDF magazine review links

The Pioneer Elite PRO-111FD like all Pioneer 1080P displays properly handles 1080P/24 signals at 72HZ. Below are full color PDF magazine review links to download. This display original sold for $5,000 but can be found at some retail stores for under $2,800 on clearance. Mail order has the displays for $2,849.18 with free shipping.

http://www.pricescan.com/Pioneer-Elite-KURO-PRO-111FD-Plasma-TV/el/231868.html

Click below links for PDF reviews

Sound & Vision PRO-111FD Review (October 2008 review)

Home Theater Magazine Reviews the PRO-111FD (November 2008 review)

Home Theater Magazine Reviews the PRO-111FD (February 2009 review and face off)

[HDTV1080P]

Face Off at the HDTV Corral

Four premier flat-panel sets go head to head.

By Thomas J. Norton • February, 2009

Here is the complete 2009 Face off article between the 4 top flat panel brands that just became available online. Quotes from this article were originally posted back on Jan 14th 2009 at the following link:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=1505092&postcount=675 .


Home Theater magazine article links

http://hometheatermag.com/lcds/face_off_at_the_hdtv_corral/

Panasonic VIERA TH-50PZ800U Plasma HDTV Review and Comments

Pioneer Elite KURO PRO-111FD Plasma HDTV Review and Comments

Samsung LN55A950 LCD HDTV Review and Comments

Sony BRAVIA KDL-55XBR8 LCD HDTV Review and Comments

[HDTV1080P]

The Vizio VF550XVT 120HZ LCD TV will not be added to the list

(more information needed on how 24p is handled)

It is unclear from reading the review and the VIZIO instruction manual if frame interpolation can be completely turned off and if real cinema mode will provide a true 5:5 pulldown film quality refresh rate.

Another problem with the VIZIO VF550XVT display is that it does not accept 1080p/24 from several players since the TV has a compatibility problem according to the review. At this time I would recommend BLU-RAY owners stay away from VIZIO. LG offers better quality low price LCD displays that handle 1080P/24 signals properly. I am not a fan of LG but I would rather own a LG currently compared to the VIZIO VF550XVT.

VIZIO keeps making improvements and I am very interested in seeing in person and reading the review of the under $2,000 240HZ LED LCD display that VIZIO will be launching around July 2009. Hopefully they will be offering a 10:10 pulldown mode for 1080p/24 material.

Quotes from review

"When I was preparing to play Cars on my Samsung BD-P1200 Blu-ray player, I tried to set it to output 1080p/24, but it would not let me select 24fps. That was odd, so I set the Toshiba HD-XA2 to 1080p/24, but the Vizio's screen went black, and I could not reset the player because I could not see the menu. Outputting 1080p/60 worked fine in both cases."
"When I called Vizio about it, I was informed that the TV has a compatibility problem with certain players at 1080p/24—the company has identified the Panasonic DMP-BD30 and 35 in this regard. (I assume the BD50 and 55 must also be problematic, since they are identical to the 30 and 35 except for their multichannel analog-audio outputs.) According to the company, the Sony PlayStation 3 works fine at 1080p/24, but I didn't have one on hand to test this."

"Frame interpolation creates new frames to insert between the actual frames in a video signal, calculating where moving objects should be in those new frames to smooth out the motion and sharpen the image. However, this process can introduce artifacts of its own. The VF550XVT provides two controls—Smooth Motion and Real Cinema—that determine the amount and type of interpolation, respectively, allowing you to balance the increased sharpness with any artifacts that might intrude."

http://ultimateavmag.com/flatpaneldisplays/vizio_vf550xvt_lcd_tv/index3.html

[Rocko]

Does the Sony KDL-40W4500 & KDL-46W4500 show 1080p/24 correctly?

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by Rocko

Does the Sony KDL-40W4500 & KDL-46W4500 show 1080p/24 correctly?

This list is made up of only United States model numbers since all the electronic magazines I subscribe to only cover US based models. I tried to search for a review online on the UK KDL-40W4500 and KDL-46W4500 but was unable to find anything that explained how 100HZ motion flow works with 1080P/24.

So I do not have an answer for you, here is a theory on how the 100HZ Sony's might work:
The Sony 100HZ models with motion flow will convert PAL 50HZ TV to 100HZ to reduce LCD motion blur issues. When a 1080P/24 signal is received on the KDL-40W4500 and KDL-46W4500 in theory most likely if motion flow is turned off the Sony will perform a 4:4 pulldown and refresh the image at 96HZ. If that theory is correct then the UK 100HZ Sony's properly handle 1080P/24. It is too bad someone in the UK does not do a professional review on the Sony's, perhaps they already have and I am not aware of it since I do not live in the UK.

[HDTV1080P]

Sharp AQUOS LC-46D85U March 2009 Home Theater Magazine review
(repost since magazine review web link released online now)

This is the second professional review that mentions that the Sharp 85U series refreshes 1080P/24 correctly on the screen at 96HZ using 4:4 pulldown. What is even better is this LC-46D85U Sharp will always refresh 1080P/24 signals at 96HZ automatically regardless of menu settings. It use to be that Pioneer was the only flat panel on the market that automatically refreshed 1080P/24 correctly regardless of menu settings, it is nice to know Sharp has the same auto film feature. When a 1080P/24 signal from a BLU-RAY player is received Fine Motion Enhanced and 120HZ is automatically disabled and 4:4 pulldown 96HZ is automatically triggered on the Sharp LC-46D85U.

Quote
"This set retains the advantages of film-based 1080p/24 sources all the way to the screen. According to Sharp, 24-Hz signals are displayed at 96Hz using 4:4 pulldown."

"As with many new LCD sets, the LC-46D85U operates at a native refresh rate of 120 hertz. Sharp's Fine Motion Enhanced feature is designed to make use of this higher refresh rate to reduce motion blur, which is common problem with LCD sets (though less so now than in the past). It adds new, interpolated frames to the source frames to smooth the motion and bring the refresh rate up to the panel's native 120 Hz. Fine Motion Enhanced cannot be used with 1080p/24 sources."

"The problem with this technique (variations of which are available in 120-Hz sets from all manufactories) is that it can make film-based material look like it was shot on video. The resulting smoothness is definitely not film-like. Some viewers don't dislike or even mind this. Others (including me) hate it. The good news here is that this effect is very subtle in the Sharp. The bad news is that the changes the Fine Motion Enhanced feature produces are so subtle, they had practically no visible effect on motion lag. Fortunately, the Sharp's inherent motion lag is relatively low. I left Fine Motion Enhanced off for all my tests."

http://hometheatermag.com/lcds/sharp...d85u_lcd_hdtv/

[odin24]

When playing a BD my TV's display says 1080/24p, does this mean it's the source's stats or is it actually displaying at 24fps? I couldn't find anything that would indicate this in the manual.

My TV is LG plasma 50PG30.

Thanks.

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by odin24

When playing a BD my TV's display says 1080/24p, does this mean it's the source's stats or is it actually displaying at 24fps? I couldn't find anything that would indicate this in the manual.

My TV is LG plasma 50PG30.

Thanks.

There is no display every made that displays 1080P/24 at 24fps since there would be an unwatchable flicker on the screen. All displays either use 3:2 pulldown and convert 24fps to 60HZ/120HZ or they display 24fps at multiples of the original frame rate without any 3:2 pulldown (48Hz, 72Hz, 96Hz, 120HZ, etc).

In answer to your question: All current 1080P LG Plasma screens in production like the 50PG30 will convert 1080P/24 to 60HZ using the 3:2 pulldown process. When your TV says 1080/24p it is telling you what the signal is coming into the TV and not what the refresh rate is. 60HZ 1080P still looks great with BLU-RAY but it has more of a video look compared to a film quality look.

In the movie theater 35mm and 70mm film projectors always flash the image on the screen at 48Hz, 72HZ, or higher multiples of 24. Movie theaters do not use 3:2 pulldown. It is too bad the consumer electronics industry did not make a standard for 1080p/24. If all consumer electronics manufactories would have made true film quality 1080p/24 refresh rate features on their first generation displays then over time this feature would have fallen in price and all 1080P displays would have had the feature if there was a standard. Now we are starting to see some manufactories that offered the more expensive true 1080p/24 refresh rate features leave the display business. The average consumer does not own a BLU-RAY player yet and they are not familiar with the difference between 60HZ and multiplies of the original frame rate.

[gekke henkie]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

[...] according to the Sony spec sheet the display uses the 120HZ Motionflow technology. Several professional reviews have already proven that when Motion Enhancer is turned off the Sony 120Hz displays will properly display 1080P/24 at 120HZ using the 5:5 pulldown method. [...]

According to this Sony specsheet, the new (available this March 9) 32" XBR9 uses 120Hz Motionflow:
http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...52921665746302

IF this is true, we would have a 32" display, finally. However, I remember not only the 32" LG's being removed, but also one of the Sony's (wasn't it XBR4 or XBR5?). IIRC, the reason was that the original specsheet appeared to be incorrect, because the user manual indicated Motionflow was not available.

What do you think for this new (rather expensive) one? Will it receive the benefit of the doubt (for now) and added to the list, untill proven otherwise?

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by gekke henkie

According to this Sony specsheet, the new (available this March 9) 32" XBR9 uses 120Hz Motionflow:
http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...52921665746302

IF this is true, we would have a 32" display, finally. However, I remember not only the 32" LG's being removed, but also one of the Sony's (wasn't it XBR4 or XBR5?). IIRC, the reason was that the original specsheet appeared to be incorrect, because the user manual indicated Motionflow was not available.

What do you think for this new (rather expensive) one? Will it receive the benefit of the doubt (for now) and added to the list, untill proven otherwise?

Only the LG 32 inch models were removed do to incorrect mention of 5:5 pulldown feature in the manual. The original LG manual mentioned 120Hz 5:5 pulldown for the 32 inch LG60 and LG70 when in reality the displays are 60HZ displays. So far no Sony has been removed for incorrect information, but a Sony was removed once since it was not clear if it did 48HZ refresh since the evidence was not documented by a professional review. We did lose the entire Mitsubishi line of flat panels also since the prior professional reviews were not accurate and a new more in depth review proved all 120Hz Mitsubishi flat panels were using 3:2 pulldown.
So far Sony has not changed 120HZ motionflow technology and all TV's with motionflow 120HZ will do 5:5 pulldown for 1080p/24 as long as the motionflow (motion enhancer) is turned off. If you want to be sure before you buy a new Sony take a look at the instruction manual to make sure it says 120Hz with motionflow.

[gekke henkie]

I found your earlier post about the removed Sony 32" XBR6. So, let's hope that this time Sony's marketing department is right about the XBR9 having 120Hz Motionflow. Nevertheless, the new specs indicate it has (see link in my former post), so I presume this is a new candidate for your 2nd list?

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

The following Sony LCD screens have been moved from list number 1 to list number 3 for further verification

In a prior news release it was mentioned that the Sony KDL-XBR6 series had Motion Enhancer technology with 120HZ. It appears that the specs have changed before the product was released. According to Sony’s instruction manual’s motion Enhancer and 120HZ is not even an option offered on the new Sony’s. The following displays might still have 120HZ but it is not mentioned in the instruction manual. It does mention Cinemotion feature which perhaps might refresh 1080P/24 at 48HZ or 120HZ. The tread in electronics seems to be moving toward the Walmart society where the goal is to eliminate expensive nice features in order to offer a product that is lower cost to purchase. Hopefully Sony did not drop 120HZ from the following new models in order to offer a cheaper price product. 120HZ is needed to reduce motion blur on LCD. Some companies were planning on coming out with 240HZ LCD’s that even greatly improve on LCD motion blur. If 240HZ LCD’s make it to market it will be interesting to see if they can start to out perform Plasma screens in some areas.

Now located on list number 3 pending a review or official spec sheet

Sony KDL-37XBR6 (1080P/24 might be refreshed correctly with Cinemotion)
Sony KDL-32XBR6 (1080P/24 might be refreshed correctly with Cinemotion)

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by gekke henkie

I found your earlier post about the removed Sony 32" XBR6. So, let's hope that this time Sony's marketing department is right about the XBR9 having 120Hz Motionflow. Nevertheless, the new specs indicate it has (see link in my former post), so I presume this is a new candidate for your 2nd list?

Thanks for the information, I have so many posts I can not remember them all. I am currently researching stuff on the Sony's and should have some new XBR9's on the list very soon.

[HDTV1080P]

4 New Sony 1080P LCD Flat Panels have been added to the list

According to Sony's specs listed on the official Sony Style website the following 4 TV's all have 120HZ with motion flow (also sometimes called motion enhancer). According to all the reliable reviews when 120HZ motion flow is turned off a 1080p/24 signal will be displayed correctly using 5:5 pulldown on the Sony displays.

Displays just added to the list (click on model numbers to see spec sheet)

KDL-52V5100

KDL-46V5100

KDL-40V5100

KDL-32XBR9

As mentioned before in prior posts I am aware of Sony's new KDL-52XBR7 display that has 240HZ refresh rate. Since this is the very first 240HZ LCD on the market I am waiting for a professional review or more details from Sony regarding how 1080p/24 signals are handled before adding it to the list. Hopefully the new display has 10:10 pulldown when 1080p/24 is received. I did have an opportunity of viewing the 240HZ Sony display for a few minutes running a 60HZ source and I was amazed at the smooth motion during fast moving action scenes, I have never seen LCD look so go with motion. When compared to the 120HZ XBR8 with LED backlighting I liked the colors better on the XBR8. The ideal future Sony LCD will be one that offers 240HZ or higher refresh rate with LED backlighting. Hopefully that is in the works this year since VIZIO plans on offering a 240HZ LCD with LED backlighting for under $2,000 around July 2009. Currently no VIZIO is on the list since it appears they all use 3:2 pulldown when a 1080p/24 signal is received.

[bimmerz_vn]

I have a Sony KDS 60A2000 set. Up to now I honestly didn't know anything about the whole 24hz issue. To me, the image on my set looks fantastic! I haven't noticed any motion issues on any of the movies I've watched on my set whether it be dvd or blu ray. BRIEFLY, can someone give me a simple description of what my set can and can't do or what sort of limits my particular set has? Is it so obsolete that I should consider upgrading?

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by bimmerz_vn

I have a Sony KDS 60A2000 set. Up to now I honestly didn't know anything about the whole 24hz issue. To me, the image on my set looks fantastic! I haven't noticed any motion issues on any of the movies I've watched on my set whether it be dvd or blu ray. BRIEFLY, can someone give me a simple description of what my set can and can't do or what sort of limits my particular set has? Is it so obsolete that I should consider upgrading?

The Sony KDS-60A2000 refreshes everything at 60HZ and accepts 1080P at 60HZ and will not accept a 1080P/24 signal. 1080P BLU-RAY at 60HZ still looks excellent. When Sony came out with the KDS-60A3000 it was their first and last rear projector that correctly refreshed 1080p/24 at 96HZ. 60HZ material is refreshed at 120HZ. Having a display that accepts 1080p/24 signals and having a display that refreshes the image on the screen at multiplies of the original frame rate will eliminate the 3:2 pulldown judder and offers smoother camera pans. The image also has a more film quality look compared to a 60HZ video look that consumers have been viewing for decades.

If you are happy with your current display you should keep it. To some a true 1080P/24 display offers a minor improvement compared to standard 60HZ displays. Currently there is no rear projector in production that offers the true 1080p/24 feature and rear projectors appear to be on their way out. A upgrade from your display would be the discontinued 60 inch Pioneer Kuro plasma flat screen, Sony KDL-55XBR8 LCD with LED backlighting flat screen, and if you have a dedicated dark home theater room a ceiling mounted Sony SXRD Front Projector that projects a image between 40 to 300 inch would be a ideal replacement. All of these can be found on the list if you need more details and reviews.