The following new 120HZ Samsung LCD screens have been added to the list
All Samsung 120HZ LCD displays that have Auto Motion Plus display 1080P/24 signals correctly using a 5:5 pulldown repeating frame method when AMP (Auto Motion Plus) is turned off.
Links below will bring up the official Samsung PDF spec sheets accept for the 640 series. It appears that the Samsung 640 series is a Best Buy exclusive and the only specs I was able to find for those models was on the Best Buy website. So the 640 series links directly to the Best Buy website.
The Samsung B750 series and B8000 series use AMP with 240HZ refresh rate. Before adding these displays to the list I am waiting on a review to verify that 1080p/24 signals will display at multiplies of the original frame rate when AMP is turned off. Hopefully these new 240HZ Samsungs will do a true 10:10 pulldown. I am very interested in seeing in person and reading a review on the Samsung UN55B8000 that lists for $3,999.99. The B8000 series LCD displays uses both 240HZ and LED backlighting with a 2ms response time. It would be interesting to compare the Sasmung UN55B8000 display with a Pioneer Kuro and a Sony XBR8 display when it comes to real world picture quality performance. In theory the UN55B8000 might be the best quality Samsung display yet.
Thanks for adding. I was just asking because I read a post in this thread where some older Samsung model was doing 3:2 (6:4) instead of 5:5, so it got me wondering. I'll run some back to back tests, but it makes sense. Not sure what that post was about...
The 640 seems to be a BB model, but it's on Samsung's Mexico site with all specs:
Yes there are many brands and models of displays that have 120HZ and either add 3:2 pulldown or use a interpolation of new frames method instead of repeating frames 5:5 when a 1080p/24 signal is applied. For a long time many 120HZ displays did a 3:2 pulldown for 1080P/24 material and then once the signal was converted to 60fps the display does a 2:2 pulldown to 120HZ. Adding 3:2 pulldown defeats the purpose of native 1080P/24 supplied by the BLU-RAY player.
I have a sony VPL VW-100 projector and I would like to know if there are any devices that can take the 1080P 24 fps output from DirectTV VOD and/or Blue ray DVD players and convert it to 1080P 60 fps so that I can view it through my sony VPL VW-100 (60 fps only). If this will absolutely cause motion artifact then I am SOL as I want to see the best possible through the current projector. Thanks fpr any help/advice anyone can provide.
It seems Sharp's new 77 models might be part of this list provided it's possible to turn off the Fine Motion Enhanced processing. Can anybody confirm that the Sharp Aquos LC40E77U does 5:5 pulldown if Fine Motion Enhanced is turned off?
I have a sony VPL VW-100 projector and I would like to know if there are any devices that can take the 1080P 24 fps output from DirectTV VOD and/or Blue ray DVD players and convert it to 1080P 60 fps so that I can view it through my sony VPL VW-100 (60 fps only). If this will absolutely cause motion artifact then I am SOL as I want to see the best possible through the current projector. Thanks fpr any help/advice anyone can provide.
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At one time the Sony VPL-VW100 would not accept a 1080P at 60fps input but a firmware update appears to have fixed that issue.
"But according to Sony, the projector now will accept 1080p/60 at its HDMI and DVI inputs" http://www.ultimateavmag.com/videoprojectors/1205sony/
If the CNET review is correct then most likely Sony came out with a firmware or hardware upgrade for your projector. I would recommend contacting Sony to see how to get the latest firmware update. Possible all you need is a free firmware update to have the projector accept 1080p/24 signals. Then the question comes does this projector add 3:2 pulldown or does it do a true 96HZ refresh rate for 1080p/24 signals.
Video processors can cost around $4,000. Here is a low cost one for $800. http://www.ultimateavmag.com/videoprocessors/dvdo_edge_video_processor/index.html
The above Video processor converts 1080I to 1080P but I do not know of any Video processor that converts 1080p/24 to 1080P 60HZ. If a firmware update to your Sony Front Projector still does not allow 1080p/24 input then I would wait until Direct TV comes out with a new receiver. All future HD models of Direct TV satellite receivers most likely will have an option to add 3:2 pulldown to the native 1080p/24 signal and convert it to 1080P/60 for older 1080P displays. A select few existing Direct TV receivers can only support 1080p/24 output with a firmware upgrade. Direct TV knows there are many consumers that have legacy 1080P displays with 60HZ only inputs and most likely every new Direct TV HD receiver will support both 1080p/24 and 1080p/60 just like every existing BLU-RAY player does (The 1080p/60 feature on all future HD Direct TV receivers is a theory of mine that I believe will someday happen).
Every BLU-RAY player every made for the US market going all the way back to 2006 has a 1080p/60 output option.
It seems Sharp's new 77 models might be part of this list provided it's possible to turn off the Fine Motion Enhanced processing. Can anybody confirm that the Sharp Aquos LC40E77U does 5:5 pulldown if Fine Motion Enhanced is turned off?
All Sharp displays that have Fine Motion Enhanced feature will properly display 1080p/24 signals at 96HZ by repeating each frame. When a 1080p/24 signal is received, the Sharps will disable the 120HZ "Fine Motion Enhanced" interpolation frame method and display the signal correctly at 96HZ 4:4 pulldown regardless of menu settings. I will be adding more Sharp models to the list soon, so far every single Sharp that has the "Fine Motion Enhanced" feature also does 1080p/24 correctly like a film projector.
The Sanyo PLV-Z3000 LCD Front Projector refresh rate for 1080p/24 has been changed to 4:4 pulldown 96HZ
The Sanyo projector will still remain on the list since it is my understanding that the projector will do 4:4 pulldown 96HZ when smooth motion is turned off and when a 1080p/24 signal is received.
Originally the Sanyo PLV-Z3000 was placed on the list since the press release mentioned the 5:5 pulldown feature with 24fps sources and the specs mentioned 1080p/24 input feature. Click the following link for more information on why this projector was placed on the list https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=1183941&postcount=535
On pages 40-42 of the Home Theater magazine is a review on the Sanyo PLV-Z3000 Front Projector. The 5:5 pulldown feature on this projector does not work with 1080p/24 sources. In order to use the 5:5 pulldown feature you have to be watching a film based source that contains 3:2 pulldown and then the Sanyo projector if it detects 3:2 pulldown will attempt to do a reverse 3:2 pulldown. When the Sanyo projector is able to detect 3:2 pulldown and convert the signal to 24fps then it will do a 5:5 pulldown at 120HZ. The disappointing thing is that the Sanyo projector will not allow one to use 1080p/24 signals from BLU-RAY players with the 5:5 pulldown feature. The purpose of having 1080p/24 input capable display is to bypass the 3:2 pulldown process completely. This is the first time that a display with 5:5 pulldown was designed to not work with 1080p/24 sources. I am surprised Sanyo did not offer this important feature.
When smooth motion is turned on and a 1080p/24 signal is received, the Sanyo processing will first repeat the frames to 48HZ and then use interpolation of new frames to reach 96HZ with the negative effect of making film-based sources look like video.
How to get 4:4 pulldown 1080p/24 to work: It is my understanding from the review that if one turns off the Smooth motion feature there will be no interpolation of new frames on the Sanyo PLV-Z3000 and the Sanyo will do a true 4:4 pulldown 96HZ when a 1080p/24 signal is received.
Quotes from page 40 and 41 of the June 2009 Home Theater magazine review
"Sanyo's Smooth Motion is similar to 120-hertz feature that many HDTVs offer, but it's also different. When it's on, with a 24-frame-per-second (fps) input, the projector displays two repeated frames interleaved with two interpolated frames for a 96-fps (or Hz) frame rate. With a 60-fps source display rate, it interpolates one added frame to each real frame for a 120-fps display rate. With Smooth Motion off, there is no interpolation, and the display simply repeats the additional frames."
"The PLV-Z3000 also includes a 5:5 pulldown feature, but it doesn't operate as you might expect. It does not function with a 1080p/24 source; it only works with sources that have 3:2 pulldown."
"You can't use 5:5 pulldown and Smooth Motion together. If you select both, 5:5 takes precedence."
"Smooth Motion reduced motion lag a little, and as is typical of motion interpolation, it made film based sources look like video."
Two new JVC Front Projectors have been added to the list
JVC DLA-HD750 (96Hz refresh rate for 1080p/24) 60HZ sources are refreshed at 120HZ
JVC DLA-HD350 (96Hz refresh rate for 1080p/24) 60HZ sources are refreshed at 120HZ
Reference pages 38,39, 40,41,42,44, 45, 46, 48,49, and 50 in the June 2009 Home Theater magazine.
Quote from page 39 "They all accept a 24-fps input and display it at 96 fps (a refresh rate of 96 hertz)."
The Sony VPL-VW70 SXRD Front Projector beats the JVC DLA-HD350 in overall picture quality
Last year JVC LCOS Front Projectors had a better picture quality when compared to the Sony LCOS Front Projectors. This year in the June 2009 Home Theater magazine the Sony VPL-VW70 was compared to the JVC DLA-HD350. The Sony has a better overall picture quality with deeper blacks when compared directly with the JVC. To be fair the Sony VPL-VW70 lists for $8,000 and the JVC DLA-HD350 is only $4,500. A more fair comparison would have been for Home Theater magazine to compare the JVC DLA-HD750 that lists for $7,500 to the Sony VPL-VW70 that lists for $8,000.
Quotes regarding the comparison between the Sony VPL-VW70 and JVC DLA-HD350
"None of these projectors is a single-chip DLP model, so the color separation artifacts -rainbows -that are occasionally visible with such designs are not a factor here." (quote from page 39)
"The only thing I had left to do was compare the Sony to the JVC DLA-HD350. Both projectors performed beautifully with essentially equal resolution on the smaller and larger screens. Interestingly, the Sony appeared to have more pop in bright scenes, even with the JVC's higher brightness. But when I tweaked the gamma settings on the JVC a bit, this difference changed from obvious to subtle. The JVC's blacks were a hair less deep than the Sony's, but this was hard to spot on most material and not obvious even on the most challenging sources.Both projectors had good shadow detail, but JVC had more punch in dark, low-contrast scenes.The Sony clearly had better color, but the differences in flesh-tones, in particular, were much less obvious than expected given the measurments." (quote from page 50)
"The Sony has the deepest blacks and an image that often pops and comes alive a little more than the others." (quote from page 50)
DreamBee 2 Front Projector has been added to the list
The Dream'E Front Projector will not be added to the list
According to Dreamvision the DreamBee 2 refreshes 1080p/24 signals at 72Hz. This projector has been added to the list. The DreamE' will not be added to the list since 3:2 pulldown is added and the 1080p/24 signal is refreshed on the screen at 60HZ.
Here is the email I received from Dream Vision. List has been updated
"Dear Sir,
The Dream’E will output a 1080p24 signal to the screen at 60Hz refresh rate and the DreamBee 2 at 72Hz.
Kindest regards.
--
Vladimir Wang-Wah
Dreamvision - T.E.C. SA
7, Rue La Caille
75017 Paris
Tel: +33 (0) 1 42 29 44 44
fax: +33 (0) 1 42 29 09 10
Mail: vwang@dreamvision.net"
Original email I sent
"Hello,
When feeding a 1080P/24 signal input to the Dream 'E and Dream Bee 2 projectors what refresh rate does the projectors display the 1080P/24 material?
Thanks for your time."
Just wondering why the Sony KDL42V4100 is not on this list?
According to the specs it has "24p True Cinema mode"
"24p True Cinema mode enables you to enjoy films at their intended 24 fps (frames per second) when viewed using a 24p capable output device, such as a Blu-ray Disc™ player."
Is there something they're leaving out here?
Edit: I guess what I'm really confused about is how they can claim the 24p thing when the refresh rate is 60.
Just wondering why the Sony KDL42V4100 is not on this list?
According to the specs it has "24p True Cinema mode"
"24p True Cinema mode enables you to enjoy films at their intended 24 fps (frames per second) when viewed using a 24p capable output device, such as a Blu-ray Disc™ player."
Is there something they're leaving out here?
Edit: I guess what I'm really confused about is how they can claim the 24p thing when the refresh rate is 60.
Thanks
The Sony KDL-42V4100 has been discontinued.
http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langI d=-1&productId=8198552921665406620
It has a 1080p/24 input but then adds 3:2 pulldown to refresh the image at 60HZ. The main purpose of having a 1080p/24 output on a BLU-RAY player is to bypass the 3:2 pulldown process and refresh the image on the screen at multiplies of the original frame rate.
Sony uses a so called "Motionflow 60HZ technology" that suppose to remove judder from film based content using advanced algorithms while still refreshing at 60HZ. I do not like the 60HZ LCD displays since they look more like video and during fast moving action motion blur can occur. "Motionflow 60HZ technology" with "24P True Cinema mode" is a marketing buzz words that attracts customers. The reason this display does not appear on the list is because to my knowledge it adds 3:2 pulldown and refreshes only at 60HZ when a 1080p/24 signal is received.
LG's entire 2009 line of LCD displays all properly display 24fps at multiplies of the original frame rate
I have never been a big fan of LG products but every year LG keeps improving its picture quality and overall product quality. Many of the LG displays now have passed Simplay Labs certification process for HDCP compatibility when connecting HDCP devices with a HDMI cable. A complete list of brands and models that have passed this important certification test can be found at the following link http://www.simplayhd.com/consumers/verified_products.aspx
According to several 2008 reviews, Sony and Samsung have the best picture quality compared to the old 2008 LG LCD screens (New 2009 models have not been professionally reviewed yet). LG use to be considered a lower quality brand by some people since the picture quality and features were not as good as some other brands. LG is now considered a medium quality TV manufactory when it comes to picture quality and features, every year LG LCD displays keep getting better and better in terms of quality. VIZIO is currently the number one manufactory in LCD screen sells because of their low price. For those looking for low cost LCD screens one might consider spending a little more money and getting a LG LCD display which is a lot better quality compared to a VIZIO brand. VIZIO does not make any LCD screens yet that displays 1080p/24 signals at multiplies of the original frame rate. Also I have read many professional reviews where the 60HZ VIZIO display will not accept a 1080p/24 signal from any standalone BLU-RAY player accept for the Playstation 3 do to a technical issue with the VIZIO display. VIZIO does not spend the money to get their products Simplay HD certified. If one purchases any brand or model of display that is Simplay Labs HD certified and then connects it to a standalone BLU-RAY player that has also been Simplay HD certified, the HDMI connection is guaranteed to work (LG has some models that have passed testing and are Simplay HD Certified). Even if the BLU-RAY player or other HDMI device is not Simplay certified most of the time the product will still work with a LG display or other display that uses HDMI version 1.3 or higher (older versions of HDMI had more compatiblity HDCP handshaking issues). In the past a lot of various brands and models of HDMI consumer electronic products from several companies would have HDCP handshacking compatiblity issues because of poor quality control in the hardware and/or software design. With HDMI version 1.3 or higher and with Simplay Lab HD certification process those problems are no longer a major issue for consumers.
According to the LG spec sheets and instruction manuals all 720P and 1080P 2009 LG LCD models have the option in the menu to properly display 24fps without the 3:2 pulldown judder process. (All LG plasma screens are still 60HZ with 3:2 pulldown). The list is made up of only true 1080P displays but it is nice to know that even the bottom of the line cheapest 720P LG 19LF10 with a list price of $350 will accept a 1080p/24 signal and refresh it on the screen at 720P at 48HZ (2:2 pulldown) when Real Cinema is turned on. Another interesting thing to mention is that there are now two LG displays for under $1,000 that properly displays 1080p/24 signals just like a film projector in the theater does. The 48HZ LG 32LH30 has a list price of $850 and the 120HZ LG 32LH40 has a list price of $950. To my knowledge this is the first time that a display with a list price of under $1,000 has appear on the list.
Details on how to turn on the true multiplies of the original frame rate method on LG products
48 HZ LG displays:
If the LG LCD product has only Real Cinema without TruMotion then the display is both a 60HZ and 48HZ LCD display. If Real Cinema is off in the menu and a 1080p/24 signal received by the LG then the display adds 3:2 pulldown judder and converts the signal to 60HZ. If the Real Cinema feature is turned on in the display, according to the spec sheet and instruction manual the LG display will do a true 48HZ 2:2 pulldown when it receives a 1080p/24 signal.
Reference: 1. The 48HZ 2:2 pulldown feature is listed in the LG spec sheets under "24p Real Cinema"for all 48HZ models on the list. 2. On page 76 of the LG manual it mentions 48 fps when using the Real Cinema feature. Quote from LG manual "Makes video clips recorded in film look more natural by eliminating judder effect."
120 HZ and 240 HZ LG displays:
For all the new 2009 LG 240HZ and 120HZ LCD models when the TruMotion feature is turned off and Real Cinema is turned on the display will do a true 5:5 pulldown at 120HZ when a 1080p/24 signal is received. According to the LG spec sheets for every LG 240HZ display the 240HZ feature only works for normal TV viewing with 60HZ sources. The LG 240HZ spec sheets clearly lists 5:5 pulldown only for "24p Real Cinema". 5:5 pulldown always means 120HZ at multiplies of the original frame rate. In the past I have seen errors in LG spec sheets and manuals when it comes to the 1080p/24 feature and how it works. I am waiting for a professional review to make sure this is not another LG misprint. So according to all the 240HZ LG spec sheets the display is really only 120HZ 5:5 pulldown when a 1080p/24 signal is received.
Reference: 1. The 120HZ 5:5 pulldown feature is listed in the LG spec sheets under "24p Real Cinema"for all 240HZ and 120HZ models on the list. 2. On page 76 of the LG manual it mentions 120 fps when using the Real Cinema feature. Quote from LG manual "Makes video clips recorded in film look more natural by eliminating judder effect."
Warning about LG LCD burn in issue:
I was very surprised to hear that LG LCD screens have burn in issues just like plasma screens. In general the selling feature of LCD screens was that they did not have the burn in problems that plasma screens have. On page 8 of the LG manual it warns people to not display a fixed image on a LCD screen for 2 hours or more (Only 1 hour or more for LG plasmas). I am not aware of any other LCD manufactory that warns against LCD burn in issues. Click the following link to download manual (see page 8) http://www.lge.com/us/tv-audio-video/televisions/LG-lcd-tv-42LH40.jsp#
Marantz VP-11S2 DLP Front Projector (May 2009 review link)
This high-end DLP Front projector properly displays 1080P/24 signals at 48HZ and has been on the list for several months. It costs $18,000 for a long throw lens and $15,000 with a short throw lens. Quotes:
"The VP-11S2 accepts all NTSC and ATSC video signals, including 1080p/24, with no issues at all. With a 24p signal, the unit displays the signal at 48 hertz, which eliminates the judder that’s commonly associated with the 2:3 pulldown process used for 60p."
"Conclusion
Marantz has lowered the price of its flagship design, but its made clear improvements in its overall performance. The level of detail the VP-11S2 delivered was staggering; you’d be hard-pressed to find better shadow detail anywhere. Although Marantz needs to put some refinement into its accuracy for both color and clipping, it will still be tough to find a better image out there."
This May 2009 review at UltimateAVmag.com is almost identical to the December 2008 Home Theater magazine review link that currently is on the list since the review is written by the exact same author.
The main purpose of this list is to provide an easy to use reference tool for those interested in purchasing a new 1080P display that offers true film quality 1080P/24 refresh rates. Since the amount of LCD and LCD with LED backlighting displays are growing in popularity I have created 4 separate lists so that there will be plenty of room for future expansion of those two growing categories.
List number 1: List number one will continue to list current in production Front Projectors and Plasma Screens. The current in production true 1080p/24 plasma screens was greatly reduced in early 2009 when Pioneer and Hitachi exited the plasma screen business. It appears that long term 240HZ LCD with LED backlighting screens might one day replace plasma screens in several years. Front Projectors are also not as popular as they use to be. With the new lower prices of 1080P flat panel LCD screens under $1,000 the demand for Front Projectors is less. If one has a dedicated dark Home Theater room there is still nothing that beats a Front Projector for overall movie experience when the picture is between 80 to 200+ inches.
List number 2: Contains all current in production LCD with LED backlighting flat panel displays that properly display 1080p/24. This category is rapidly growing as a popular alternative to plasma screens.
List number 3: Contains all current in production standard LCD flat panel displays. The amount of true 1080P/24 LCD flat panel screens is rapidly growing.
List number 4: Contains all the discontinued 1080P/24 displays. This list includes any type of display technology. Remember these 4 lists are not 100% accurate and items can be removed or added as more information is learned about a display. The most accurate displays on the list will be the ones that have professional reviews written when the link is clicked on.
Pioneer KRP-500M and KRP-600M 1080P plasma Flat Panels (Have been added to the discontinued 1080p/24 list)
I should have had these Pioneer models on the list back in the 1st quarter of 2009. What happen is that I thought the KRP-500M and KRP-600M were exclusive to Pioneer Europe since they are very hard to locate on the Pioneer USA website. The Pioneer USA website does not have the KRP-500M or KRP-600M models listed with the other Kuro models, one has to manually search for the models on the USA Pioneer website. Many people I have talked with do not even know these Kuro models exist. You will not find these models in major retail stores like Best Buy and non of the magazines or websites that write professional reviews have even mentioned these models. According to Engaged the KRP-500M and KRP-600M were part of a limited run of only 3,000 in the United States. They are currently out of production as of April 11th 2009 along with all the other Pioneer screens. http://www.engadget.com/tag/KRP-500M/
Interesting note: The KRP-500M and KRP-600M US versions were assembled in the USA and have minor differences when compared to the Europe version of the KRP-500M and KRP-600M. The European version has 2 component inputs compared to only 1 component input for the US version. The Europe version also is ISF Calibration Ready. What even gets more confusing is in Europe there is a KRP-500A and KRP-600A models. The KRP-500A and KRP-600A were never released in the United States. Those are Europe models with 4 HDMI inputs and withTV tuners.
Since in the US this KRP-500M and KRP-600M only had a limited run of around 3,000 or so, it is harder to find a dealer that has them in stock. Since there were very little made most likely no professional US review will be written by the major websites like Widescreen Review and Home Theater magazine. According to the Pioneer spec sheets, the KRP-500M and KRP-600M just like all other 1080P Pioneer plasmas properly display 1080P/24 signals at 72HZ.
Comparisons and features of the USA version of the KRP-500M and KRP-600M
The 50 inch KRP-500M and 60 inch KRP-600M are exactly the same quality with the only difference between the two models being picture size, weight, and dimensions. The KRP-500M and KRP-600M have a one year warranty instead of 2 year since they are not Elite displays. The KRP-500M and KRP-600M are lower quality with less features when compared to the Elite Signature series. The KRP-500M and KRP-600M only have 2 HDMI inputs, lack ISFccc calibration and some of the advanced picture settings found on the Elite Signature series. Elite Signature series has hand inspected and certified parts for the highest possible quality.
Important Note: Just like the Pioneer Elite Signature series monitors the KRP-500M and KRP-600M monitors are not for the average consumer. To keep cost low there is no tuners, speakers, or table top stand included. One needs a external ATSC HD tuner, cable box, or satellite receiver to watch TV programming. A wall mount or table top stand is also required to be purchased. One advantage of the KRP-500M and KRP-600M that the Elite Signature series monitors lacks, is the ability to attach optional Pioneer speakers. The KRP-500M and KRP-600M have a 9 watt + 9 watt Stereo Digital amplifier that receives audio from the HDMI connection, RCA audio in, and Stereo mini jack. When the optional side speakers are attached the sound quality is comparable to the non Elite Kuro TV's like the PDP-5020FD and PDP-6020FD (One of my sources informed me that the Elite speakers sounds better but cannot be attached to the M series monitors since the speakers require more power then 9 watts and cosmetically it will not fit). The Elite Signature series requires a stereo system or surround system since there is no audio amp built in and no way to attach side speakers.
The KRP-500M and KRP-600M advantages are in its price.
The KRP-500M and KRP-600M are similar cosmetically to the Elite Signature series. They have the Ultra-Thin Cosmetic Design at just 2.5 inches deep (Back in late 2008 that was considered to be thin, before Pioneer decided to exit the plasma business they did have on the drawing board a 10th generation plasma that was only around 1 inch thick, of course we will never see that design now). Just like the Elite Signature series the legacy 480I S-Video jack was dropped as a cost cutting measure on the M series monitors.
Here is the spec sheets on the KRP-500M and KRP-600M monitors
SAMSUNG UN32B6000 32 INCH 1080P LCD FLAT SCREEN WITH LED BACKLIGHTING (HAS BEEN ADDED TO THE LIST)
The Samsung UN32B6000 spec sheet lists 120HZ Auto Motion Plus feature. On any Samsung display that has 120HZ with Auto Motion Plus, when AMP is turned off the display will do a true 5:5 pulldown at 120HZ using the multiplies of the original frame method when a 1080p/24 signal is received.
The list is really growing this year. Last year true 32 inch 1080P's with 5:5 pulldown method was not in production. Now there is 5 different 120HZ 32 inch flat screens on the list and 2 32 inch 48HZ models. A 50 inch or 60 inch display is more enjoyable but sometimes for a office or kitchen only a 32 inch or 24 inch will physically fit. Hopefully in the future we will see true 1080P screens smaller then 32 inches that offers the true 1080p/24 refresh rates.
The Samunsg UN32B6000 is scheduled for release in late June 2009 (could always be delayed). It will be the best quality 32 inch on the market since according to the specs it has the exact same picture quality as the UNB6000 series. I have seen the high end 240HZ UN55B8000 and 120HZ UN40B6000 and they have a nice picture quality. The UN32B6000 will have a suggested retail price of $1,599.99. From a reliable mail order source I was told that once large quantities of the UN32B6000 are shipped that some mail order companies plan on selling the UN32B6000 for slightly under $1,150. Of course one might need to wait until the Fall/Winter of 2009 to be able to get a UN32B6000 for slightly under $1,150. The Samsung UN32B6000 will be the smallest and cheapest LCD with LED backlighting on the market.
Sony 240HZ and Samsung 240HZ models: I am still waiting for a professional review to be published on these new 240HZ LCD screens before adding them to the list. I want to make sure when the motion feature is turned off that they either do a 10:10 pulldown or 5:5 pulldown for 1080P/24 signals. Currently only the LG 240HZ models appear on the list since the spec sheets for those models list 5:5 pulldown which is 120HZ when a 1080p/24 signal is received.
I wanted to keep the list as simple as possible and have one section for LED backlighting displays, but since historically so far LCD's with Local Dimming LED backlighting have a better picture quality when compared to LCD's with Edge-lit LED backlighting I decided to create two different categories.
So list number 2 now has two categories.
1. LCD with Local Dimming LED backlighting (flat panel): These displays are an excellent alternative to plasma screens with deep blacks and excellent color accuracy.
2. LCD with Edge-lit LED backlighting (flat panel): These displays are ultra thin and use less power with a picture quality that is better than most standard LCD screens. Plasma screens and LCD's with Local Dimming LED backlighting have a better picture quality.
Will LED local dimming technology survive when the average consumer is confused?
There are so many new display technologies that it is possible the average consumer is going to get confused and thick all LCD's with LED backlighting displays are the same. The Sony XBR8 is current the best quality LCD with LED backlighting on the market in terms of overall picture quality. Only the discontinued Pioneer Kuro plasma has an overall better picture quality then the Sony XBR8. The Sony XBR8 55 inch is almost 6 inches deep and the list price was just recently dropped from $7,000 to $5,499.99. When the average consumer sees the list price on the 55 inch Samsung UN55B6000 is $3,599.99 and the fact the display is only 1.2 inches thick they will be very attracted to the Samsung display even though the picture is not as good as the Sony. My point is companies that are making the better quality LCD displays with "Local Dimming" LED backlighting need to start making their displays thinner and cheaper or one day perhaps the lower quality cheaper LCD with "Edge-lit" LED backlighting technology might be the only LED technology to choose from. I love the awesome cosmetic look of Samsung's new displays but I prefer the picture quality of the Pioneer Kuro and Sony XBR8. With the Samsung being cheaper and thinner then the Sony XBR8 the average consumer will purchase the Samsung models. Hopefully there will be enough videophiles around to generate a market for "Local Dimming" LED technology.
SAMSUING 120HZ LCD Edge-lit LED backlighting screens picture quality info
The new 120HZ Samsung LCD's with Edge-lit backlighting are very thin at 1.2 inches and also are very energy efficient. In general the new 120HZ Samsungs have a better picture quality with deeper blacks when compared to some standard LCD screens. The negative is that the new 120HZ Samsung LCD Edge-lit LED backlighting displays do not have as good as quality picture when compared to the Pioneer Kuro plasma series, Sony XBR8 series (LED Local Dimming) , and the Samsung A950 series (LED Local Dimming).There is also screen uniformity issues with the new models. Hopefully over time second generation "Edge-lit" models will improve in quality.
Reference quotes from CNET on the 120HZ Samsung UNB6000 series review
"The good: Produces relatively deep black levels; accurate color; very good dejudder processing; sleek styling with 1.2-inch thick panel; extensive picture controls; extremely energy-efficient."
"The bad: Expensive; less-uniform screen than other LCDs; poor off-angle viewing; backlight fluctuates with program brightness; dark areas tinged bluer; shiny screen can cause reflections in bright rooms; red frame isn't for everyone."
"The bottom line: Although it delivers fine picture quality, except for a few flaws, the ultrathin Samsung UNB6000 series will appeal mainly to style seekers who don't mind spending more money."
"We're not the biggest fans of the UNB6000's fluctuating backlight, and we'd like to see a more-uniform picture for this much scratch, but otherwise its image quality leaves little to be desired."
Features
"Edge-lit LED backlighting heads the UNB6000's feature set. Samsung calls these sets "LED TVs," but it's important to remember they're actually otherwise normal liquid-crystal display TVs that use light-emitting diodes instead of the standard fluorescent backlights. Unlike the Sony KDL-55XBR8 and Samsung LN46A950, which both use local dimming technology that mounts the LEDs behind the screen, the UNB6000 series is edge-lit, with LEDs arranged around the edge of the screen. Check out the slideshow for more information."
Some Negative quotes
"When seen from off-angle, the UNB6000 also looked worse than any of the other displays in our comparison. Dark areas quickly washed out and became bluer, while brightness variations intensified, as we moved to either side of the sweet spot in the middle of the couch. The UNB6000 did seem to preserve its vertical viewing angle a bit better than the Sony or the Samsung A950 did, but both sets beat the UNB6000 in horizontal viewing angle."
"We weren't fans of the way the backlight would fluctuate, and screen uniformity is disappointing for such an expensive TV."
"Black level: Performance in this area was good overall, but not as impressive as that of the best sets in our comparison--and about equal to that of the 7000. Our main complaint revolves around the fluctuations of the LED backlight. In very dark scenes, the entire backlight, and thus the letterbox bars and shadows, would dim, while in brighter scenes it would become brighter. Other displays do similar things, but on Samsung's edge-lit LED screens it was more noticeable and affected more than just completely black screens. "
"Indeed, the UNB6000 did deliver a deep shade of black, although not quite as deep as that of the 7000. It appeared about as dark as that of the A950 and deeper than the A650, but not as inky as the Pioneer, Sony XBR8, or Panasonic."
"Like many LCD-based screens, the UNB6000 also suffered from a bluish tinge in blacks and near-black shades."
" Uniformity: The Samsung UNB6000 exhibited similar uniformity characteristics as the 7000, which was worse overall than the other displays in our comparison--although better than the edge-lit Sony's KLV-40ZX1M. In dark areas and letterbox bars, the 6000's corners and the right side appeared brighter than the rest of the screen, an effect which was visible in Chapter 20, for example."
Some Positive quotes
"Aside from the obvious thinness, the LEDs allow for a couple other design bonuses. The UNB6000 runs a lot cooler than other LCD and plasma displays producing a similar amount of light, and the panel itself weighs less than other models."
" Samsung's UNB6000 showed very good picture quality overall, with relatively deep black levels, accurate color and excellent, adjustable video processing."
" Color accuracy: The Samsung UNB6000 scored well in this category, with excellent primary colors and color decoding, along with a solid grayscale that only lost accuracy in very dark areas"
Sony KLV-40ZX1M 120HZ LCD Edge-lit LED backlighting screens picture quality info
The new Samsung Edge-lit LED backlighting screens have a better picture quality compared to Sony's first large 40 inch design. The Samsung UNB6000 screen uniformity and black levels were better compared to the Sony KLV-40ZX1M.
Reference quotes from CNET on the 120HZ Sony KLV-40ZX1M review
"The good: Ultrathin panel creates a high-tech design; hidden cords; relatively accurate color; numerous picture controls; energy efficient."
"The bad: Extremely expensive; subpar black-level performance and color saturation; uneven screen uniformity; scant connectivity with just one HDMI input."
"The bottom line As the first large-screen edge-lit LED-based LCD, Sony's KLV-40ZX1M looks stunning turned off, but it falls short when powered up."
"Edge-lit LED-powered displays such as this Sony and upcomingSamsungmodels announced at CES do not employ local dimming, so, as you might expect, their black-level performance can't match that of displays that do. On the other hand, edge-lit LED backlights allow the panels to be thinner than ever--the KLV-40ZX1M's panel, for example, measures just 1.1 inches thick. As a result, this TV looks stunningly thin and high tech, especially when seen from the side, and its LED technology allows for improved energy-efficiency. Naturally, you'll pay a good deal more for the privilege of owning a first-generation technology, although we expect edge-lit LED LCDs arriving later this year to cost less."
" Performance
We couldn't help but be disappointed by the Sony KLV-40ZX1M's overall picture quality, especially given the excellent performance we've seen on LED-based LCDs with local dimming. Black levels were quite light, and we noticed more uniformity issues, notably brighter edges relative to the middle of the screen and poor off-angle viewing, than we're willing to forgive for a display at this price."
"We expected a display lit from the edge to be at a uniformity disadvantage compared with one lit evenly from behind, and indeed the KLV-40ZX1M showed below-average uniformity. The problems were most visible in the letterbox bars above and below the image, which showed brighter areas in all four corners and the sides, while the middle of the bars looked darker. In very dark scenes, we noticed that the left side of the screen was brighter than the right. That said, in bright scenes the Sony didn't exhibit any overt uniformity problems."
"Like other LED based displays we've reviewed, the edge-lit KLV-40ZX1M also performed quite poorly when seen from off-angle. In dark scenes when we moved a seat or two away from center on the couch, that brightness from the edges would creep even further into dark areas and wash out contrast and colors worse than we saw on the other displays."
"Our favorite pan over the deck of the "Intrepid" from "Legend" provided the best example, where the motion was every bit as smooth--but not too smooth--as on the other 120Hz LCDs and the 72Hz Pioneer."
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