3D/2D Displays that support 3D & 2D & 24p at multiplies of the original frame rate

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The list now has all the new 2014 SIM2 USA 144Hz projectors that offer Cinema quality frame rates for both 3-D and 2-D sources

SIM2 is known for releasing cutting edge technology. Back in April of 2010 Digital Projection INC demoed their first Titan 144Hz 3-D projector for the consumer market and then in 2011 SIM2 rolled out their very first 144Hz 3-D projector. Prices have come down a lot since 2010 and 2011. While at the same time better quality and a wider selection of 144Hz projectors have occurred from several different manufactories.

Back in 2012, SIM2 released the very first consumer 4K 144Hz Front Projector. That is two years before any other consumer electronics company offered a 4K DLP consumer projector with 144Hz triple flash technology. However now the SIM2 CINEMAQUATTRO 4K 3-Chip DLP Front Projector has been discontinued. In 2014 SIM2 is not making any 4K front projectors. Back in 2012 when SIM2 released their 4K projector, the problem was there was no consumer 4K source material (SIM2 was ahead of its time). Now the only 4K consumer 144Hz projector on the list is the Digital Projection Insight Laser. I hope that in 2015 and 2016+ there will be more 4K 144Hz projectors released from SIM2 and Digital Projection INC. Also hopefully Runco, Optoma, and other projector companies will have 144Hz 4K projectors ready for the year 2016. In theory by 2016 the 4K optical disc format will be on the market.

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Hopefully in the future some LCD projectors and flat panel screens might be added to the Cinema quality frame rate list

Currently the only reason why DLP projectors are exclusive to the Cinema quality frame rate list, is because they are the only consumer display technology that matches the Cinema quality 3-D frame rate.

If the LCD projectors on the market would offer either 144Hz triple flash technology or 192Hz quad flash technology without frame interpolation for frame packed Blu-ray 3-D movies then they would be added to the list (Also the projector must offer a repeating frame method for 2-D 1080p/24 sources without 3:2 pulldown).

In addition, no flat panel screen is on the list since they do not use 144Hz triple flash technology, or 192Hz Quad flash technology. Also the 240Hz LCD flat panel screens add 3:2 pulldown to each eye so that after the black frame insertion or frame interpolation, each eye sees 60Hz instead of 72Hz or higher.

4K Ultra HD flat panels have the greatest possibility of being added to the list if the manufactories could just eliminate the 3:2 pulldown 60Hz issue for each eye. 4K Ultra HD flat panels that use passive glasses do not need to use triple flash technology since each eye constantly sees a separate left and right 1080P image to produce the 3-D effect. 4K Ultra HD flat panels are comparable in some ways to a commercial Sony SXRD system with a RealD lens or a dual IMAX projector setup. 1080P for each eye is most likely static resolution (motion resolution is normally less than 1080P do to limitations in the flat panel display technology). The current 4K Ultra HD flat panels unpack the 48Hz 3-D source material and displays 60Hz left eye and 60Hz right eye on the screen (sometimes dark frame insertion and/or frame interpolation is applied). If the 4K Ultra HD flat panel manufactories would bypass 3:2 pulldown, dark frame insertion, and frame interpolation and just repeat the original 24fps left eye and 24fps right eye 10 times to reach the flat panels native frame rate of 240Hz, then that would offer true Cinema quality frame rates (240Hz left eye and 240Hz right eye using a 10:10 pulldown method).

LG plasmas already operate at both 60Hz and 72Hz. For example if LG were to make a 4K Ultra HD plasma screen that uses passive glasses, then the 4K Ultra HD plasma screen could unpack the 48Hz 3-D source material (24Hz left eye and 24Hz right eye). Then the 4K Ultra HD plasma screen would repeat each left and right frame 3 times to reach the plasma screens native frame rate of 72Hz. With passive glasses on a future 4K plasma, the left eye would see a slightly different 1080P 72Hz image and the right eye would see a slightly different 1080P 72Hz image. 4K Ultra HD’s that use passive glasses do not need triple flash technology since the 4K Ultra HD screen is divided into a left 1080P section and a right 1080P section that is constantly shown on the screen similar to a dual projector IMAX system.

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All BENQ 3-D projectors maximum refresh rate is still 120Hz (no true 144Hz feature offered yet)

Back in August of 2013 I originally mentioned why none of the BENQ DLP projectors would be added to the list. Nothing has changed regarding this issue. According to the October 2014 Widescreen Review magazine on page 30, “BenQ sells more DLP projectors, worldwide, than any other company.” BENQ is the most popular low cost consumer projector company in terms of sells, however if one wants a very low cost 144Hz 1080P projector then the Optoma 144Hz 1080P projector models start at under $700.

In a high-end commercial or consumer dual projector setup that uses IMAX type technology, 144Hz triple flash technology is not needed. In a dual IMAX DLP projector setup 3-D 48Hz source material is displayed at 48Hz (24Hz each eye with the left 24Hz projector having a slightly different image compared to the right 24Hz projector in order to produce the 3-D effect). IMAX 3-D style setups are the highest quality 3-D that consumers can experience today and they have no flicker issues at 24Hz for each eye. The negative is a dual projector setup is more costly when compared to a single projector setup.

In a single DLP projector setup, 100% of the time commercial movie theaters use flicker free 144Hz (72Hz each eye) triple flash technology with either passive or active glasses. The reason why commercial movie theaters do not use 96Hz (48Hz each eye) technology is because in early beta testing around 50% of the population complained of a flicker issue, ghosting, eyestrain,etc. Most people do not see flicker at 120Hz (60Hz each eye), however each eye sees 3:2 pulldown judder at 120Hz. Therefore, a minimum of 144Hz is needed for a single light source display or projector in order to offer Cinema quality 3-D frame rates.

When it comes to consumer single projector setups 144Hz triple flash technology offers the best 3-D quality. On older consumer DLP projector models sometimes 96Hz or 120Hz is used. When watching an older consumer DLP projector model with a maximum refresh rate of 120Hz, many people prefer 120Hz 3-D technology when compared to the 96Hz 3-D technology. If one notices a flicker at 96Hz with eyestrain then it would be better to watch the 3-D movie at 120Hz which is flicker free for most people with less eyestrain (At 120Hz one will just need to live with the 60Hz each eye 3:2 pulldown judder issues).

All BENQ 3-D projectors use a maximum refresh rate of 120Hz

1. All the BENQ spec sheets and manuals mention a maximum vertical scan rate of 120Hz.

2.The latest October 2014 Widescreen magazine review on the BENQ W7500 projector mentions a top refresh rate of 120Hz.

In the latest October 2014 Widescreen magazine review on the BENQ W7500 projector,Doug Blackburn mentions in his review that the maximum refresh rate for the BENQ W7500 is 120Hz. However in the Widescreen magazine review it was his theory that when a 3-D frame packed Blu-ray movie is played the BENQ W7500 flashes the image on the screen at 96Hz. Doug Blackburn mentioned that he experienced some eyestrain on the BENQ W7500, however the eyestrain was much less than 3D projectors from 2 to 3 years ago. There is a possibility that the BENQ W7500 might convert Blu-ray 3-D frame packed movies to 120Hz by using 3:2 pulldown, and maybe that is why the reviewer was seeing less eyestrain. 120Hz for most people is flicker free and the main artifact at 120Hz is the 60Hz 3:2 pulldown judder issue for each eye. There are many displays and projectors on the market that use 120Hz for 3-D instead of 96Hz in order to reduce or eliminate the flicker issue, and perhaps the reviewer was not aware of that. Many 3-D display manufactories and 3-D projector manufactories have made things so complicated that even professional reviewers from several different consumer magazine sources can disagree on what is occurring inside the projector. It is the responsibility of the consumer electronics manufactories to mention in their manuals and spec sheets what the projector refresh rate is when a certain type of signal is received. At the very minimum the technical support department should be able to answer those questions.

The following are select word for word quotes from page 35 of the October 2014 Widescreen Review magazine

“With the W7500’s top refresh rate being 120 Hz, 96 Hz has to be used for 3D to get an even number of frame flashes per eye. I have experienced zero-eye-strain 3D on DLP projectors that operate at 144Hz. I was expecting to experience some eyestrain at 96Hz (two frame flashes per eye per frame from a 24 fps Blu-ray 3D feature), but I experienced only very minor eyestrain, much less than 3D projectors from two to three years ago.”

“If the 3D-only issues can be corrected with a firmware update, 3D image quality would be at least as good as 2D image quality.”



In the following PC magazine review regarding the BENQ W7500 3-D projector, the reviewer mentions that the W7500 will work with both 120Hz and 144Hz DLP link glasses. The reason for this is that 144Hz active glasses work between 96Hz-144Hz and 120Hz active glasses work between 96Hz-120Hz. So sure one can use either 120Hz or 144Hz glasses on the BENQ projectors like the W7500 since the projectors maximum refresh rate is 120Hz.

Quote:

“As with most of the competition, the projector doesn't come with any 3D glasses, so if you want to use 3D be prepared to spend extra for DLP-link glasses. In my tests the projector worked with both 120Hz and 144Hz glasses, even with 1080p 24 fps video.”

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2454734,00.asp



Now what is interesting is that all the BENQ 3-D projectors including the BENQ W1080ST all have a maximum refresh rate of 120Hz according to all the BENQ spec sheets and owner’s manuals. However if one reads the PC magazine review for the BENQ W1080ST, one will discover that the reviewer mentions that the W1080ST does not work with 120Hz DLP-link glasses and instead one needs 144Hz glasses. So the theory is that the 144Hz active DLP glasses are operating at either 120Hz or 96Hz when a Blu-ray 3-D movie is being watched, and the reason why the 144Hz glasses is required on the W1080ST is because there is something different with the DLP link technology that requires the new glasses that operate between 96Hz-144Hz. Its also possible that some of the older 120Hz DLP link glasses will not operate at 96Hz, and that is why 144Hz DLP link glasses are required. I have been in communication with BENQ technical support over live chat and I have an email case open with them regarding frame rate issues since the questions I had required additional research (At the time of this posting I have not received an email back from BENQ technical support, therefore at this time my questions are not being answered). It is possible the BENQ 1080P projectors might convert 2-D 1080p/24 source material at 60Hz instead of 48Hz. In addition, I asked BENQ if they had any plans on designing a 144Hz projector like the modern Optoma 144Hz projectors.

Quote:

“Although BenQ says the projector should work with any DLP-link glasses that support 144Hz, it won't work with older DLP-link glasses that support 120Hz only.”

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0%2c2817%2c2417441%2c00.asp

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Epson PowerLite Pro Cinema 6030UB (3D 3LCD Projector)

(October 2014 Widescreen Review magazine)

** Not enough information available to be added to the list **

There are many positive picture quality issues regarding the new Epson PowerLite Pro Cinema 6030UB 3D projector. According to the October 2014 Widescreen magazine review the frame interpolation feature can be turned off and the motion quality is good at 480Hz when in 3-D mode. However the problem is one does not know the 2-D refresh rate of this projector (theory is 240Hz). The other issue is 480Hz 3-D mode and 240Hz 2-D mode is even multiplies of 60Hz, so there is a possibility that maybe 3:2 pulldown judder might be added to both 2-D 1080p/24 sources and Blu-ray 3-D frame packed movie sources. Then again the Epson 6030UB might be capable of using 10:10 pulldown technology for 3-D 48Hz sources and 10:10 pulldown for 2-D 24Hz sources. However all this needs to be verified before a projector is added to the list.

DLP projector technology is the King of motion. DLP projectors can operate flicker free at 24Hz for 2-D material. For 3-D material DLP projectors at 144Hz are flicker free with no eyestrain. However because of limitations in the LCD projector technology when it comes to motion and other issues, LCD projectors are required to operate at 480Hz instead of 144Hz in order to offer a flicker free 3-D experience with no eyestrain (perhaps 1080P active glasses LCD flat panels with even brighter screens might need 480Hz-960Hz in order to offer flicker free 3-D performance with no eyestrain). Most active glasses on the market max out at 144Hz, there are some active glasses that can do 240Hz. Since the Epson PowerLite Pro Cinema 6030UB is 480Hz (240Hz for each eye), they use a special Epson 3D RF active glasses that operate at 480Hz. This is the first time I have heard of active glasses operating at 480Hz. Does LCD technology have bandwidth limitations at 480Hz that results in resolution lost?

The cheapest 144Hz 3 chip DLP projector costs around $24,995. The problem with 144Hz single chip DLP projectors for $700 and up is that some people see rainbow issues. According to the Widescreen magazine review this Epson 6030UB projector is the very first consumer 3D 3LCD projector that has overcome the 3-D flicker issue and the 3-D eyestrain issue. Epson increased the 3-D frame rate on this years model to amazing 480Hz (240Hz for each eye). For the very first time a LCD projector is able to offer 3-D performance that is comparable to a 144Hz DLP projector in terms of 3-D quality. Some consumers will not want to spend $25,000+ on a 3 chip DLP projector, and some consumers do not like the rainbow issues on some of the single chip DLP projectors. For those consumers the 3LCD Epson 6030UB for $3,499 will be very attractive price.

DLP projector manufactories might need to start designing lower cost 3-chp DLP projectors for under $15,000 since there are now more choices in 3-D projectors that offer no flicker and no eyestrain issues. The big question does the Epson 6030UB bypass the 3:2 pulldown process? LCD projectors are not used in the commercial movie theaters, and many consumers will still prefer the motion quality of DLP projectors when compared to LCD projectors.

The following are select word for word quotes from the October 2014 Widescreen Review magazine (the very long in depth review is located on pages 22, 24, 26-29)

“I’ve also found that bashing eyestrain from 3D at home requires a refresh rate of 144Hz from DLP projectors. But I haven’t experienced a lack of eyestrain from an LCD projector prior to the 6030. I think people who have had eyestrain problems with discomfort while viewing 3D ought to see if the 6030 (or 5030) can produce 3D images that do not create eyestrain problems. With a 480 Hz refresh rate in 3D mode, each eye is getting 240 frame flashes per second. There’s just no time for flicker to exist, so eye strain should be eliminated. I experienced no eyestrain with the 6030 projector, even on days when I viewed two or three 3D movies. I didn’t realize until the review was almost done that I’d been watching hours and hours of 3D content without the slightest feeling of eyestrain. So perhaps Epson really is onto something this year with the higher 3D frame rate.”

“The 6030 produces some of the best 3D at home I’ve ever seen. Is the big improvement over past model years due to the change from 240Hz refresh rate in 3D mode to 480Hz? I can’t say for certain, but I suspect that may be the single largest factor in the improvement.”

“But there is no mention of what refresh rate is used for 2D.”

** For a limited time a free PDF sample copy of the October 2014 Widescreen Review magazine can be downloaded **

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New policy change for 1080P and 4K LCD 3-D projectors to be added to the list

** Policy update for 3-D LCD projectors only **

So far, there is no 3-D LCD projectors on the list yet. Until recently I did not realize that a LCD projector must operate at a minimum of 480Hz in 3-D mode in order to match the flicker free and eyestrain free performance that is found on 144Hz 3-D DLP projectors.

Therefore, a 3-D LCD projector must have a minimum refresh rate of 480Hz in the 3-D mode in order to be considered to be added to the Cinema quality frame rate list. In addition the 3-D LCD projector must have a mode to turn off the frame interpolation feature and a mode to disable 60Hz 3:2 pulldown for 2-D 1080p/24 sources and 3-D frame packed Blu-ray 48Hz sources.

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LG has officially now stopped production on all plasma screens

In a prior post I mentioned that LG might soon stop making plasma screens. Officially, LG has now exited the plasma business and has completely stopped production of all plasma screens on October 30th 2014 according to the Twice article. With LG plasma screens gone, this means there is no more plasma screens to purchase in the United States once inventories are depleted. In theory by early 2015 there might not be any Samsung or LG plasma screens left on store shelves or in warehouses.

Many experts in the consumer electronics industry still believe plasma screens still offer the best picture quality (especially when it comes to motion quality). It should be mentioned that Pioneer, Panasonic, and Samsung have better black levels when compared to the LG plasma displays. LG plasma displays are very affordable for the average consumer.

The 2008 60 inch Pioneer Elite PRO-141FD plasma and 2008 50 inch Pioneer Elite PRO-101FD plasma will go down in history as the best reference quality 2-D plasma screens every made. 4K plasma screens were never released to consumers. It is too bad strict flat panel screen power consumption laws kept 4K plasmas and absolute black plasmas from becoming a reality. In addition, consumers will never see a 144Hz triple flash 3-D plasma screen from LG or any other company. LG 3-D plasma models all use 120Hz with 60Hz for each eye. Consumers will never see a 72Hz each eye 4K passive glasses 3-D plasma screen from LG or any other company. 4K flat panel screens operate similar to the quality of a dual projector 3-D IMAX setup.

Between 2011-2013 all LG plasma screens used the same 72Hz cinema quality 2-D triple flash technology that is found in Pioneer plasma displays (prior LG plasma models used either 48Hz or 60Hz for 2-D 1080p/24 signals).



Quote from Twice article:

“Although it had hinted months ago that the announcement was coming, LG removed any shred of doubt Tuesday by declaring it was ending its plasma display production tomorrow.”

http://www.twice.com/news/tv/lg-formally-pulls-plug-pdp-production/54621#

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Plasma screens will soon disappear from the U.S.A. market (and most of the world), which leaves a couple of choices for videophiles

I am an owner of a classic 2008 Pioneer Elite 1080P plasma model with deep black levels and excellent motion at 72Hz. However in the future I and some other plasma owners will one-day upgrade to a 4K display technology after the 4K Blu-ray format launches in late 2015 or 2016.

Consumers that have a dedicated home theater room might want to consider installing a high-end ceiling mounted DLP projector that offers 4K resolution quality. 3 chip DLP projectors operate at 144Hz in 3-D mode and offer Cinema quality motion that is better than plasma screens. The DLP Darkchip 4 technology does not yet offer as deep as black levels as plasmas, however the DC4 chips are the best available for DLP projectors. At this time most consumer front projectors are 1080P quality, however by 2016+ in theory there should be more 4K consumer projectors on the market to choose from.

For some consumers a ceiling mounted front projector is not possible since the layout of the home does not allow for a projector. Also for a small bedroom, a flat panel screen is more practical and easier to install when compared to a projector. 4K OLED technology is the second best technology if a ceiling mounted DLP projector is not possible.Videophiles better hope that LG’s 4K OLED technology is successful. If consumer electronic companies decide to stop making OLED displays in the future, then consumers will only have LCD flat panels with LED backlighting to purchase. 4K OLED displays offer deeper black levels then plasmas and DLP projectors since they have absolute black technology. The one negative feature with current OLED technology is that the motion quality is lower when compared to the King of motion DLP projectors and plasma screens. In addition, OLED technology requires a higher frame rate when compared to DLP and plasma technology (lower fame rates are better since there is less frame rate artifacts).

Perhaps some consumers will choose the best of both worlds. Install a high-end DLP front projector in the main home theater room, and then install a 4K OLED flat panel screen in the bedroom.

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Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

In a prior post I mentioned that LG might soon stop making plasma screens.

I mentioned it 10 months before that.
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...4&postcount=25

Doesn't seem related to the thread topic though.

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Sony VPL-VW1100ES 3D SXRD 4K Projector

Will not be added to the list

The Sound and Vision magazine review for the $27,999 Sony VPL-VW1100ES mentions that the projector only display 2160p (4K) material at 60fps.Therefore this projector is not qualified to be added to the list. Also the HDMI standard being used does not use the full capabilities of HDMI 2.0.

The following are select word for word quotes from the Sound and Vision magazine review



“The VPL-VW1100ES’s HDMI ports are technically HDMI 2.0, but they don’t provide the full capabilities put forth by the HDMI organization. The inputs are limited to a bandwidth of 10.2 gigabits per second, as opposed to the higher 18 Gbps also specified for HDMI 2.0. Once again, HDMI is creating confusion with endless variations, especially during this early transition period for HDMI 2.0. We’re seeing two HDMI 2.0 standards, one with less throughput that limits its resolution and frame-rate capabilities and one that supports the bulk of what 4K can offer.”

“Ultimately, the VPL-VW1100ES version of HDMI means the projector input is limited in its chroma resolution capabilities at different resolutions and frame rates and can only display 2160p video (UHD) at 60 frames per second.”

“On the other hand, a big benefit to the new HDMI ports on the VPL-VW1100ES is the inclusion of HDCP 2.2—required if you plan to take advantage of Sony’s FMP-X10 4K video server and the company’s Video Unlimited 4K download service, presently one of the only real sources for 4K content.”

http://www.soundandvision.com/content/sony-vpl-vw1100es-3d-sxrd-4k-projector

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LG 55EC9300 3D OLED HDTV

(Sound and Vision magazine review )

(Does not meet the qualifications to be added to the list)

Only 540P for each eye instead of 1080P for each eye when in 3-D mode

No Cinema quality 144Hz or 192Hz 3-D mode

The LG 55EC9300 has the deepest black levels when compared to any other current flat panel display. For serious 3-D users, they would be better off waiting for a 4K OLED model that offers full 1080P for each eye with passive glasses. This 1080P LG 55EC9300 is only 540P when 3-D is engaged. Also the theory is LG is using 60Hz for each eye in 3-D mode instead of multiplies of 48Hz (24Hz for each eye).

The following are select word for word quotes from the Sound and Vision magazine review

“But passive 3D on a 1080p set does cut the vertical resolution in half and adds closely spaced horizontal lines that separate the left- and right-eye images, and which might be visible depending on how far you sit from the set.”

“The LG’s off-axis performance is also as good as any plasma’s.”

“On dark scenes, however, you can still just make out the black bars on state-of-the-art plasmas like the Pioneer Kuros and the Panasonic TC-65ZT60. But on the LG OLED, they’re gone, period, whatever the brightness level of the image.”

“The OLED may be smaller, but it can beat the blacks of any plasma ever sold—and it can equal or exceed plasma in other ways as well (except, perhaps, in motion blur, where plasmas will still have a marginal edge).”

http://www.soundandvision.com/content/lg-55ec9300-3d-oled-hdtv

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LG's Tim Alessi: Why You Want Ultra HD OLED

QUOTE

"The 65EC9700 is one of our Ultra HD 4K OLED TVs—the first of its kind to ever hit U.S. retail. It is basically the holy grail of TVs because it combines today’s two most important picture technologies—Ultra HD and OLED—for the best picture available."


http://www.soundandvision.com/content/match-made-heaven

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Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

LG's Tim Alessi: Why You Want Ultra HD OLED

QUOTE

"The 65EC9700 is one of our Ultra HD 4K OLED TVs—the first of its kind to ever hit U.S. retail. It is basically the holy grail of TVs because it combines today’s two most important picture technologies—Ultra HD and OLED—for the best picture available."


http://www.soundandvision.com/content/match-made-heaven

This is exactly what I have been waiting for to replace my Kuro with. Looks like 4K blu-ray is not a problem with this set too, which will seal the deal. The only issues I have is I am not a fan of the curved screen, so I assume a non-curved will be available? And to keep on topic in this thread, I assume it will be able to smoothly play blu-ray at some multiple of 24p, like the Kuro (72hz) so wonderfully does?

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Motion resolution is still better on the Pioneer plasmas at 72Hz when compared to 1080P OLED and 1080P LCD screens according to many reviews. However, I would need to demo and read a professional review regarding the new 4K OLED screens to see if motion was improved. In theory if you were playing a native 4K optical disc source on a 4K OLED, then most likely the overall picture quality in theory would be better when compared to the 2008 Pioneer plasma models.

Some OLED screens might only last 30,000 hours while some plasmas last 60,000+ hours. The LG 4K OLED most likely displays 2-D 24fps sources at 240Hz using a 10:10 pulldown method when the motion features are turned off. However, 3-D frame packed movie sources will most likely use multiplies of 60Hz for each eye instead of multiples of 24Hz for each eye (that also needs verified).

Hopefully some professional reviews from Sound and Vision magazine and others will be released soon. When I have time I might take a trip to the local Best Buy Magnolia center in my area to view the new LG 4K display.

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I visited the local Best Buy Magnolia center in my area and they do not have any LG 4K OLED’s on display yet. The LG 65EC9700 has a list price of $11,999.99 (Amazon price $9,999). All retailers including Amazon are out of stock currently. The 77 inch LG 77EG9700 will becoming out soon with a $24,999.99 list price.

At these prices hopefully LG will be faithful to Cinema quality frame rates when it comes to 2-D and 3-D viewing. I hope that a professional review will mention if 60Hz is used or not used for frame packed 3-D Blu-ray discs.

Another issues is that OLED is a LG exclusive currently, consumers need to see more companies release OLED screens to increase the competition. I would hate to see OLED technology end up becoming the next plasma technology due to lack of demand. Then consumers would only have LCD screens with LED backlighting technology to choose from if OLED disappears from the flat panel market. Early adopters might save OLED, at least I hope.

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The JVC DM65USR 4K Ultra LCD flat panel will not be added to the list

According to the Sound and Vision magazine review the reference 2008 Pioneer PRO-141FD plasma offers a overall better picture quality when compared to a 4K LCD screen.

For a while 4K flat panels and many higher-end 1080P Smart HDTV’s included the 3-D feature as a standard feature. The JVC DM65USR 4K LCD flat panel display will not be added to the list since it does not have a 3-D feature, only 2-D viewing. Manufactories like Seiki also do not offer any 3-D features on their 4K and 1080P displays either. Vizio use to offer the 3-D feature but they dropped the 3-D feature on the latest models including the 4K flat panels.

Flat panels can be made cheaper without the 3-D feature, however if all flat panels had the 3-D feature built in, it would not add much to the cost of the flat panel display. The trend currently appears to be that some flat panel manufactories are getting away from the 3-D feature, which is a disappointment. There are still many flat panel manufactories that are still supporting the 3-D feature in their flat panel displays for now.

It would be in the consumer’s best interest if all new flat panel displays would have the3-D feature (Also it would be ideal if all new model Blu-ray players had the 3-D feature, since the lower end models lack 3-D currently). If 3-D glasses were not included perhaps one day even low end flat panels could offer the 3-D feature for only around $25 more in manufacturing cost when large QTY’s are produced. Consumers that wanted to use the 3-D feature would just purchase glasses, and a 3-D Blu-ray player. Even VUDU, Verizon FIOS, and Direct TV offer some 3-D programs now. Blu-ray 3-D is the best with its full 1080P quality for each eye with frame packed movies.

The following are select word for word quotes from the Sound and Vision magazine review

“My 60-inch Pioneer PRO-141FD Kuro, though long unavailable, is still one of the two or three sets almost universally considered to be obvious reference standards.”

“Not surprisingly, the black background on an Oppo player’s splash screen was significantly darker on the Kuro than on the JVC. The JVC also had a bit more haloing—the light areas most visible around white lettering against a dark screen.”

“But in the starfield at the beginning of the movie, with a crescent-lit planet against it, the Pioneer stomped the JVC, with much brighter stars against an inky-black sky.”

http://www.soundandvision.com/content/jvc-diamond-dm65usr-lcd-ultra-hdtv-review

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Panasonic TC-65AX900U 4K Ultra HDTV

(Sound and Vision magazine review comments)



3D was pretty much unwatchable

4K UltraHD displays that use passive glasses in general produce some of the best 1080P each eye 3-D quality when compared to other flat panel technology (3 chip DLP projectors are still king when it comes to 3-D quality). However according to the Sound and Vision magazine review the $7,199 Panasonic TC-65AX900U 4K Ultra LCD has a 3D ghosting issue (also black levels and shadow detail is not as good when compared to a plasma). The frame rate on this Panasonic LCD display is unknown and it could possibly be 60Hz for each eye. The ideal flat screen should offer multiplies of 24fps for each eye when in 3-D mode (72Hz, 96Hz, etc). Sometimes frame rates below 72Hz for each eye causes ghosting issues, other times ghosting issues are caused by other issues.

The following are select quotes from the Sound and Vision magazine review

Quote:

“Panasonic supplies two pair of passive 3D glasses. On the default 3D picture preset, the image was among the brightest 3D presentations I’ve seen, and highly detailed given the full HD resolution delivered to each eye. I was initially very encouraged, but crosstalk ghosting was rampant and quite severe on many scenes across Avatar, Coraline, and Flying Swords of Dragon Gate. Changing head position could only partially mitigate the issue, and there were no menu adjustments available to rectify it. Coraline, as an animated feature, was the best of the three demos, but I’m afraid that’s not saying much. On these three movies, the only ones I had available to try, 3D was pretty much unwatchable.”

http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...-review-page-2

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QUOTE

“LG Electronic’s organic light emitting diode (OLED) technology has taken the top spot at Value Electronic’s annual HDTV shootout for the second year in a row.”

http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...cs-tv-shootout

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The JVC DLA-X500R 3D D-ILA FRONT PROJECTOR will not be added to the list since there is no cinema quality 144Hz setting for 3-D

For those that are only interested in 2-D 1080P picture quality then the JVC Front Projectors are one of the best projectors a consumer can own with deep black levels. Sound and Vision magazine uses the $8,000 JVC DLA-X700R as a reference 2-D 1080P projector (The $5,000 JVC DLA-X500R is almost as good). However when it comes to 3-D picture quality performance nothing beats a DLP projector.

This JVC DLA-X500R projector is a native 1080P model that uses 96Hz (48Hz for each eye) when watching a frame packed Blu-ray 3-D movie. There is no 144Hz or 192Hz Cinema quality 3-D mode on any JVC LCOS projectors yet.


In the commercial movie theaters single light source DLP projectors use 144Hz triple flash technology to offer both flicker free 3-D performance and no crosstalk.

The following are select word for word quotes from the Sound and Vision magazine article

“It was definitely better than JVC’s prior generation of projectors, but hardly ghost-free (as you might get with some DLP projectors).”

“Last year, I went to the 2014 CEDIA EXPO hoping to see some new native 4K projector options from JVC, but unfortunately, I came away disappointed. For the first time in recent memory, JVC decided to skip the annual model refresh and stick with their already superb 1080p projector offerings.”

“On the other hand, and as we have reported before, the real roadblock to future UHD content will likely be the lack of HDCP 2.2 support, which I suspect is the reason why JVC decided to forgo releasing new projectors at the end of 2014. HDMI chips that support the full bandwidth capability of the HDMI 2.0 spec plus HDCP 2.2 copyright management are only just now appearing on the market, so even product released at the beginning of this year would have been crippled.”

Click here to read the complete Sound and Vision magazine review

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No 144Hz 3-D setting on the Samsung UN65JS9500FXZA Ultra HDTV LCD flat panel

The Samsung UN65JS9500FXZA LCD Ultra HDTV uses active glasses for 3-D. However just like all other flat panel screens there does not appear to be any 144Hz or 480Hz 3-D setting. 240Hz is used with active glasses and the current theory is that each eye sees 60Hz with 3:2 pulldown.

The Sound and Vision magazine review mentions that there are several different versions of HDR and that there is no set standard. Hopefully in the future one HDR standard might be agreed upon. What is interesting is that the Pioneer PRO-141FD and Panasonic TC-P65ZT60 are still the best 1080P plasmas that were made. Sound and Vision magazine still uses the Panasonic TC-P65ZT60 as a reference display (Instead of an OLED being used as a reference display for comparison). Plasmas handle motion better when compared to LCD and OLED displays.

The following is word for word quotes from the Sound and Vision magazine review

“Several different versions of HDR are currently floating around the consumer video ecosphere, with no settled standard for either the content or display specifications. The best known is Dolby Vision. Samsung’s JS9500 sets use the SMPTE HDR Open Standard. The main concern for consumers here is that each version of HDR requires slightly different grading for the source. If you play back an HDR source created with HDR format A on a set using HDR format B, there could be a visible difference—perhaps insignificant, but we don’t know yet. It will be to the industry’s benefit to ensure that whatever grading is used on UHD Blu-ray will be fully interoperable with all HDR sets.”

“While my 65-inch Panasonic TC-P65ZT60 plasma is no longer in production, it’s nevertheless a good candidate for the best 1080p HDTV ever made”

** Click here to read the complete Sound and Vison magazine review **

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The latest information on the Ultra HD Blu-ray format that is coming soon

4K Cinema films are normally around 4096 x 2160 in resolution, however the new Blu-ray format will not officially be labeled a 4K video format. Instead, the new format from the Blu-ray Disc Association will be called Ultra HD Blu-ray with a maximum resolution of 3840 x 2160P. 2K Cinema films are normally around 2048 x 1080 resolution, however when the standard Blu-ray format launched back in 2006 the maximum resolution supported is 1920 x 1080P. The new Ultra HD format supports native frame rates up to 60fps.

What is disappointing about the new Ultra HD Blu-ray format is that it will not support 3-D movies at 4K resolution or Ultra HD resolution. Another disappointment is that manufactories of Ultra HD Blu-ray players are not required to offer MVC 3-D support for existing 1080P 3-D Blu-ray titles. The Blu-ray Disc Association should have made it mandatory for manufactures to include MVC 3-D support in all Ultra HD Blu-ray players. This means that some or several of the new Ultra HD Blu-ray players might not support ones existing collection of 1080P Blu-ray 3-D discs. Companies like OPPO Digital Inc most likely will offer full optical disc support including 1080P Blu-ray 3-D discs when they launch their new Ultra HD Blu-ray player in 2016+.

It is my understanding that 100% of all Ultra HD Blu-ray player models from all manufactures will play Ultra HD Blu-ray discs, standard 2-D Blu-ray discs, 480i DVD’s, and audio CD’s (however Blu-ray 3-D playback is an optional feature that will be available on select models only).

According to the Digital Bits interview link below, the new Ultra HD Blu-ray players might be available before the end of the year, however realistically 2016 is more closer to reality since new formats get delayed. The 480i DVD format arrived in 1997. The 2-D 1080P Blu-ray format arrived in 2006, then in 2010 the arrival of the Blu-ray 3-D format occurred, then in 2016 it looks like consumers will have a 2-D 3840 x 2160P Ultra HD Blu-ray format to watch. Around every 10 years historically there has been an improved optical disc format to watch when it comes to 2-D resolution quality. This means that around the year 2026 its possible a new 8K optical disc format might launch on the consumer market. However, by 2026 10Gbps or higher speed Internet service might become the norm. In 2026 instead of a new 8K optical disc format launching on the consumer market, consumers might instead be downloading or streaming 8K movies over the Internet. Therefore, it’s a possibility that the new Ultra HD Blu-ray disc might be the last consumer optical format.

3-D Projector recommendations

Consumers that are mainly interested in 3-D, might consider purchasing a high quality 3-D projector now. There is no plans in the near future to launch a Ultra HD 3-D format for the consumer market, so existing 3-D 1080P DLP projectors are the best of the best when it comes to 3-D movie watching. However, those consumers that are interesting in watching both 2-D Ultra HD movies and Blu-ray 3-D movies might want to wait for more 4K DLP projectors or Ultra HD DLP projectors to be released on the consumer market. 4K and Ultra HD projectors will be a lot more expensive, and some manufactures might remove the 3-D feature from the projector to keep costs down. All commercial movie theaters nationwide in the USA have at least one 3-D theater and 3-D is very popular in the commercial movie theaters, however in the consumer market 3-D in the home is struggling. 3-D at home is a niche market currently.

** Click here to read an interesting interview located on the Digital Bits website **