3D/2D Displays that support 3D & 2D & 24p at multiplies of the original frame rate

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More Ultra HD Blu-ray disc information

According to the following twice article Ultra HD Blu-ray discs and players might be available by the end of 2015 at the earliest, however the article goes on to mention that the players might not be available for the calendar year 2015. Realistically 2016 is when the first Ultra HD Blu-ray players will be available for purchase in the United States (and other parts of the world). In theory the Blu-ray Disc Association and several manufactories should have production prototype Ultra HD Blu-ray players with demo discs on display at the January 2016 Consumer Electronics Show. Therefore, I am estimating that the first Ultra HD Blu-ray players and movies will go on sell sometime around the year 2016.


100% of all Ultra HD Blu-ray players are required to have HDCP 2.2 copy protection. The licensing agreement from the BDA requires that 100% of all Ultra HD Blu-ray players must play Ultra HD Blu-ray discs, legacy standard 2-D Blu-ray discs, and legacy 480i SD DVD discs. It is expected that all manufactories will include legacy audio CD playback, however the licensing agreement does not require it. Back in 2006 there was a couple of high-end first generation Blu-ray players that did not play audio CD’s at all. Consumers that purchased those few Blu-ray players back in 2006 were very disappointed that they could not even play audio CD’s. All second generation Blu-ray players and beyond play audio CD’s. It is unlikely that any manufactory will drop standard audio CD support on any of the new Ultra HD Blu-ray players. It’s the legacy Blu-ray 3-D feature which might end up being found on only a select few models of Ultra HD Blu-ray players.


A few select quotes from the Twice article


“It’s not certain, however, whether players will be available this calendar year…”


“The spec includes 66GB dual-layer and 100GB triple-layer discs but does not include single-layer discs.”


http://www.twice.com/news/blu-raydvd/ultra-hd-blu-ray-discs-expected-holiday-season/58125

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New JVC Front Projectors are still native 1080P

The new 2015 JVC projectors have HDCP 2.2 for native 4K Ultra HD content, however the new JVC projectors are not true native 4K models, they use E-shift technology with three native 1080P panels. I hope next year JVC might start offering some native 4K Ultra HD projectors.


There is going to be some 1080P flat panel screens and 1080P projectors released by various companies that accept a 4K Ultra HD signal over a secure HDCP 2.2 connection and then downscales the image to 1080P.

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“E-shift technology delivers near-4K resolution (3840 by 2160 compared to 4096 by 2160) by combining three 1080p-native panels with pixel-shifting technology, which shifts pixels diagonally by 0.5 pixels at a rate up to 120Hz to multiply resolution.”

http://www.twice.com/news/projectors/jvc-projectors-lighten-add-hdmi-20a/59007

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Digital Projection INC new 4K projectors and 4K movie player

The following article link is about two new state of the art Digital Projection INC 4K projectors, and a 4K movie player that allows consumers to download full native 4096 x 2160 movies at up to 60fps. The Prime Cinema movie player also has 7.1 PCM studio master soundtracks (no mention of DTS X and Dolby ATMOS yet). The Prime Cinema movie player will allow consumers to download 4K and 1080P movies that are still in the theaters (each movie costs around $500) . The 4K Prime Cinema movie player costs around $35,000.

Digital Projection INC 4K projectors are also capable of 3-D at full 4096 x 2160 quality. The 4K Insight LED model runs around $150,000.

When more information becomes available on these new models and when I get more time, I will try and update the list (unless I decided to discontinue the list since its very time consuming). In 2016 if I still maintain this list, it will most likely be revised with 100% 4K displays that offer Cinema quality frame rates, mandatory HDCP 2.2, and mandatory 3-D feature. There is nothing wrong with 1080P models, however it will make it easier for me to do research if I limit the displays to the new 4K Ultra HD models. This list originally started with 2-D 1080P models, then it switched to 100% 3-D 1080P models, in the near future a switch to 100% 4K models that also handle 3-D at a minimum of 1080P quality will be the requirement (Cinema quality frame rates will always be the main requirement for any display on the list). 4K displays will become much more popular when the 4K Blu-ray format launches in 2016 in the USA and other areas of the world (Rumor is that Japan might get a 4K Blu-ray player launch as soon as November 2015).

http://www.twice.com/news/projectors/ultra-hd-holds-sway-cedia-expo/59021

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OPTOMA HD91+ 1080P 144Hz 3-D DLP projector review link

The following is a link to a review on the Optoma HD91+ DLP projector. According to the spec sheet 2-D 1080P/24 material is displayed at 48Hz. 3-D 1080P Blu-ray material is displayed at 144Hz (Both 48Hz and 144Hz are Cinema quality frame rates). This projector light output is fairly dim when it comes to 3-D material according to the review. That light output issue is disappointing since the 144Hz DLP 3-D projector has no ghosting and no visible crosstalk. Other models of DLP projectors from various companies offer brighter projectors for 3-D at a higher price.

http://hometheaterhifi.com/reviews/video-display/projectors/optoma-hd91-led-projector-review/

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Epson Powerlite Pro Cinema LS10000 3D LCD Projector

(Sound and Vision magazine review link)

Both JVC and Epson are now making native 1080P projectors that have HDCP 2.2 feature. Therefore, these new projectors like the LS10000 will accept a 4K Ultra HD signal and downscale the image to 1080P. The light engine is 1080P however the projector attempts to simulate a 4K like image with only a 1080P resolution light engine.

It’s going to be a few years most likely before lower cost native 4K Ultra HD projectors become a reality, until then projector companies will be making native 1080P projectors with HDCP 2.2 so consumers can watch native 4K Ultra HD content at 1080P quality.

The following are select quotes from the Sound and Vision magazine review

“Like JVC’s most recent LCOS projectors, the Epson LS10000 uses a 4K “enhancement” technology to deliver 4K-like images while still using native 1080p panels. This is done by slightly and rapidly shifting the panel image diagonally to replicate another set of pixels. It tricks the eye into thinking there’s more resolution than the native panels truly deliver. JVC’s version, which I’ve been playing with for some time now, is called “e-shift.”

“Therefore, I ended up using the projector’s standard 1080p mode for my viewing, as I just didn’t find the quasi-4K mode to deliver any real benefit on my 120-inch screen.”

“Two HDMI inputs are provided, one HDMI 1.4 and the other HDMI 2.0 with the latest HDCP 2.2 copyright management protocol.”

http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...B3kgItpOaF9.97

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Some 4K Ultra HD flat panels have issues with 3-D ghosting when using passive glasses. The following is a quote from the Sound and Vision magazine review regarding the LG 65UF9500:

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“The LG came with two pair of passive polarized glasses, but its 3D rendition proved to be a disappointment. My 3D demos of discs—including Transformers: Age of Extinction, Coraline, and Avatar—looked engagingly bright and detailed, but minor to moderate ghosting was apparent in most scenes, despite adjustments to the set’s 3D controls. I could dial in any individual scene if I froze the image, but no one combination of settings (including Auto) sufficiently eliminated the crosstalk distortion.”


Read more at http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...zMyjocye5yL.99

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Optoma HD28DSE 1080P 144Hz 3-D DLP projector

According to the spec sheet and other sources, the Optoma HD28DSE offers both 48Hz for 2-D 1080p/24 signals and triple flash 144Hz (72Hz each eye) for frame packed Blu-ray 3-D movies.

Here is a professional review for the Optoma HD28DSE.

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You can add the Optoma HD37 and Optoma HD161x to the list.

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Yes the Optoma HD28DSE, HD37, and HD161 should all be added to the list. In fact when I get sometime I should go through the list and remove old models to the discontinued list. Then place new models on the list from Digital Projection, Optoma, Runco, and SIM2. For now the list updating is being placed on hold.

This voluntarily list becomes time consuming and it can eat up my free time and I have considered maybe discontinuing the list. In addition, I am about to make changes to the list when the 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray format launches. In the future all the 1080P projectors will be removed from the list and the new requirement will be for projectors and flat panel screens to offer both 1080P 3-D and a minimum resolution of 3840 x 2160 when in the 2-D mode. In addition, the existing Cinema quality frame rate requirement will remain the same.

There is nothing wrong with 1080P displays, it will just be easier for me to write manufactories and do research if I limit the displays to the latest technology. That way people looking for the latest technology will be able to refer to the list. The list most likely will be going 100% 4K Ultra HD 3840 x 2160 and 4K 4096 x 2160 in the near future (plus HDCP 2.2 will be another requirement for displays on the list).

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This Sony LSPX-W1S Ultra Short Throw 4K Projector is awesome technology. It offer true 4096 x 2160 resolution with no need to mount the projector on the ceiling with wires. The projector only needs to be around 7 inches from the wall to beam a 10 foot picture. People just place the Sony SXRD projector on a standard TV cabinet. This projector currently costs around $50,000, however over time technology improves and in general comes down in price.

Maybe one day a 3 chip DLP short throw projector might be released to the consumer market.








"What’s not to like about a video projection system that throws a dazzling 147-inch 4K image on the wall from only a few inches away? No need to run wires and hang a bulky box from the ceiling or build an alcove in the back of the room to hide it away."

Read more at http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...sBd8tWmYu8m.99

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A good review link for OLED fans looking to replace their plasmas


LG 65EF9500 OLED Ultra HDTV Review

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Get a 3-D DLP projector in order to experience high quality 3-D in the home

Do to quality issues and lack of demand many 2016 flat panels no longer offer the 3-D feature. Many consumers were unhappy with ghosting issues, flicker issues, and other 3-D problems that occur with many flat panel screens.

In the commercial movie theaters, 3-D quality is perfect with no flicker issues, no eyestrain, etc. Consumers that want good quality 3-D at home will need to get one of the 144Hz DLP projectors that are located on the list (or a dual IMAX system DLP setup where each eye sees 24Hz). What is hurting 3-D at home is the fact that most flat panels that do offer 3-D, offer poor quality 3-D when compared to a DLP projector.



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“Samsung will not include a 3D TV feature in its 2016 models, according to CNET.com.”

http://tvpredictions.com/samsung030216.htm

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So if you have 3d discs you will either have to buy and hold onto a 2015 model or buy a projrctor .... weak

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Originally Posted by iwanttobeabmoviestar

So if you have 3d discs you will either have to buy and hold onto a 2015 model or buy a projrctor .... weak

Sony and LG still make 3-D flat panel screens in 2016. The flat panel 3-D selection has decreased. It is disappointing that many consumers do not have a dedicated dark home theater room where they can mount a 3-D DLP projector. The 144Hz 3-D cinema quality offered by home DLP projectors, is keeping projectors in demand.

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Another native 1080P front projector that accepts a 4K Ultra HD signal and downscales it to 1080P quality (not true 4K but simulated 4K Ultra HD). In the future some native 1080P falt panel screens that accept a 4K Ultra HD signal and downscale it to 1080P might be released to the consumer market.

QUOTE

“As noted, one of the DLA-X550R’s benefits is that, despite being a native 1080p projector, it can accept 4K sources.”


Read more at http://www.soundandvision.com/content/jvc-dla-x550r-3d-d-ila-projector-page-2#zBuTiuKwy235FCAw.99

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Sony VPL-VW665ES 3D SXRD 4K Projector Review

This $14,999 Sony VPL-VW665ES 4K SXRD projector offers a 2-D resolution of 4096 x 2160 and 3840 x2160. For 3-D viewing the projector offers a resolution of 1920 x 1080P. This Sony SXRD projector has some minor ghosting in 3-D mode according to the review. A DLP projector still offers the best quality ghost free Cinema quality 3-D performance. Frame rates used on this projector for 3-D and 2-D are unknown at this time.

The following are select word for word quotes from the Sound and Vision magazine review

“Lacks full HDMI v2.0a capabilities”

“3D performance with the new Sony seemed about the same as last time around from the VPL-VW600ES, with only some minor ghosting noticed on the most difficult material.”

“If you’re a fan of 3D,you’ll have little to complain about overall, though we’re still seeing the performance of LCOS projectors fall short of the perfect 3D performance of DLP-based projectors.”




Read more at http://www.soundandvision.com/content/sony-vpl-vw665es-3d-sxrd-4k-projector-page-2-0#6gckOOhCFoAg6gmd.99

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"Speaking of which: Yes, the OLED65G6P is pricey, but some may recall that the Pioneer Kuro PRO-141FD plasma sold for $7,000 when last available in 2009, and that was a 60-inch monitor with no audio or off-air tuner. A few years later, the 60-inch Sharp Elite PRO-60X5FD, the best 1080p LCD set then available and arguably the best ever made, sold for $6,000, with its 70-inch sibling commanding significantly more. The average prices for large flat-screen sets have continued to drop since then, and we’ve become accustomed to that trend. But the state of the art is never cheap. And the LG Signature OLED65G6P is certainly state of the art."

Read more at http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...vvsVDWiH7OQ.99

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It is disappointing that OLED displays and LCD displays still have to use frame interpolation in order to perform close to the motion quality of a plasma display. The ideal flat panel display should operate like a DLP projector or plasma display which uses a natural repeating frame rate method without the need for frame interpolation.



Some high-end DLP projectors operate at native 24fps without any motion or flicker problems. Plasma displays and all other flat panel displays need to use 72Hz and higher multiplies of 24fps in order to be flicker free.

Some interesting quotes from the Sound and Vision article

“Although all the contenders were Ultra HDTVs, a last-generation 1080p Pioneer Kuro plasma was also on display as a reference. All the sets were calibrated for both day and night viewing.”



“Not surprisingly, none of the sets, save the old plasma, performed particularly well with moving-image torture clips in the absence of their frame interpolation circuits being flipped on.”


Read more at http://www.soundandvision.com/content/lgs-oled-wins-2016-value-electronics-tv-shootout#4F07FjWmEe3EIsS2.99

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Here is another projector that accepts a native 4K Ultra HD signal and downscales it to 1080P. The projector offers simulated 4K enhancement technology with a native resolution of 1920 x 1080P instead of 3840 x 2160P. True native 4K and 4K Ultra HD projectors are in the $10,000+ starting price range for the lower end models. As technology improves true native 4K projectors will most likely come down in price to under $5,000 in the years to come. Until then most under $10,000 projectors that accept a 4K Ultra HD signal are really native 1080P and downscaling the image to 1080P.

http://www.soundandvision.com/content/epson-pro-cinema-6040ub-3d-dlp-projector-review#jf8CCQB3Su9TPcAC.97

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I am not currently maintaining this 1080P 3-D projector list, and I might close it down soon (I would like to create a 4K Ultra HD list with displays that offer Cinema quality frame rates at both 3-D and 2-D) , however I do not have the time to do that research currently.

InFocus has 144Hz triple flash 1080P 3-D projectors starting at $549

It is amazing that one can purchase a single chip DLP Infocus SP1080 144Hz triple flash projector for only $549. The InFocus triple flash projectors most likely display 2-D 1080P source material at 48Hz, but that would need to be verified.

“Outside of having optical zoom, the SP1080’s feature set is slim. It’s 3D-ready—just add the active-shutter glasses from Xpand ($69/each, available on the InFocus website) or other 144-hertz DLP 3D glasses sold on outlets like Amazon”

Read more at http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...B2Mbr30O4cz.99

Also the Infocus IN3130a series offers Cinema quality 144Hz triple flash technology for native 48Hz 1080P 3-D material.

“The IN3130a Series uses the latest Texas Instruments DLP® Dark Chip 3 technology and drivers (DLP 0.65” 1080P s600 DC3) and incorporates 3D Triple Flash technology. 3D Triple Flash triples the normal 3D frame rate of 48 Hz (24 for the right eye and 24 for the left) to 144 Hz, which gives you a deeper, more immersive 3D experience.”

http://www.infocus.com/resources/doc...-Datasheet.pdf