3D/2D Displays that support 3D & 2D & 24p at multiplies of the original frame rate

[HDTV1080P]

QUOTES


"While both formats allow for mastering with dynamic metadata and support for WCG (up to Rec. 2020), Dolby Vision offers support for a higher bit depth of 12-bits versus the 10-bits used for HDR10+ content. In essence, this means that titles graded with Dolby Vision have the potential to offer a much larger range of colors. With that said, no 12-bit TV panels are currently available, so this distinction is a moot point for now."


"Meanwhile, when it comes to target brightness, HDR10+ content is typically mastered for a peak of 1,000 nits and is able to support mastering for up to 4,000 nits. In contrast, Dolby Vision content is graded for a target peak of 4,000 nits and the format can support up to 10,000 nits. As was the case with bit-depth, however, consumer TVs can't take full advantage of Dolby Vision's higher nit grading just yet, as current flagship displays max out at about 2,500 nits."


https://www.highdefdigest.com/news/s...is-hdr10/41749

[HDTV1080P]

100% of commercial movie theaters use high quality DLP projectors or LCOS Digital projectors. The ideal setup in the home is a projector if the purpose is to try to come close to the quality that one sees in a Dolby Cinema theater and IMAX theater.



Ceiling mounted front projectors for the main home theater room offer the best quality. However many consumers do not want to remodel their home so that they can have a ceiling mounted projector in the main home theater room or bedroom. A good alternative is to purchase a short throw projector that allows the projector to be on the standard TV stand that has a similar style to a flat panel TV stand. When the projector lens is only 18 inches from the screen just about anybody can replace their OLED flat panel screen with a high quality 4K Ultra HD projector. Of course one still needs a dark room for many projectors until projectors are developed to offer luminous output so bright that one can watch the projector screen even with full sunlight entering the room (If projectors are to replace flat panel screens then people need to use them for casual bright day watching of news channels. The dedicated dark room watching would be done during a movie). This short throw technology has the potential to one day compete with OLED flat panel screens and lower end standard LCD flat panel screens. For the high-end projector market the short throw projectors need to improve in picture quality so that they can match or beat the image quality of a ceiling mounted projector (ceiling mounted projectors are still king of image quality when compared to short throw projectors or any other display technology. DLP offers the best motion quality, and LCOS projectors offer the deepest black levels when it comes to low cost consumer projector technology.). For the medium to lower end projector market, short throw projectors well gradually need to keep coming down in price. Most consumers still use LCD flat panel screens because of their low price and simple hook up process. Lower price and easy connection is key if short throw projectors are to one day become a mainstream product for consumers.



Select QUOTES


“A home theater short throw projector should have a throw distance (projection-lens to screen) of no more than 18-inches. That’s the whole reason for such designs—the screen goes on the wall and the projector sits below it on a table or stand that’s virtually flush with the wall. With no projector hanging from the ceiling to deal with, the Wife Acceptance Factor (WAF) is through the roof. In fact, AV furniture maker Salamander Designs has just introduced an equipment rack specifically designed to house this type of projector. You can bet there’ll be more.”


“My experience with them is limited to CES and CEDIA demos, but based on those I’d have to say that while they can look very good they can’t, in my opinion, as yet equal the performance of a good conventional projector and screen in a fully darkened room.”

Read more at https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...F5oWihubGbX.99

[HDTV1080P]

Now when shopping for 4K displays, 4K Blu-ray players, and 4K A/V receivers one well need to have HDMI 2.1 or higher if they want HDR10 certified products in theory. So consumers well be looking for equipment that supports HDR10, HDR10+, Dolby Vision HDR, and possible other HDR formats like Philips Technicolor. Unless there is some major breakthrough in HDR technology on the horizon, the industry needs to start settling down and stop launching a new HDR standard every year. Most consumers are not going to purchase new equipment every year. Also this HDR format war and several different HDR standards launching is causing many consumers holding off on purchasing new 4K Ultra HD equipment.


quote


"HDR10+ Technologies, LLC today announced the start of the new licensing and logo certification program for HDR10+ technology.


https://hdr10plus.org/press-release/HDR10+license.pdf

[HDTV1080P]

Before 8K displays and programming becomes a reality in the consumer electronics industry, we need to see 8K DLP projectors launch in IMAX and Dolby Cinema theaters. Perhaps around the year 2026 8K programming might become a reality on optical discs and/or streaming.


Here are some interesting select quotes from the Sound and Vision magazine:

"No, you can’t yet buy an 8K set anywhere, nor is there any 8k programming being streamed, broadcast, or engraved on a physical disc that a consumer can buy."


"Most viewers sit too far from their TVs to fully appreciate the resolution of 4K, much less 8K."


"And given the current dominance of streaming video, 8k would require new compression algorithms to make it squeeze through an increasingly crowded Internet pipeline—not to mention a redesign of the UHD Blu-ray format."



"Make no mistake: 8K is coming. The only question is when."

Read more at https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...zA1UlZrUZd3.99

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by queenamhuan

I am confused 3D movies which converted from 2D ones can be played on TV? I mean the 3D effect is consistent with what we see in the cinema?

3D movies are sometimes created natively from a 3D camera that records a separate left and right image, however sometimes 2D cameras are used and then in editing converted to 3D by the studio. The Blu-ray 3D format launched in 2010 and one is required to have a 3D projector or 3D display to watch 3D movies. Now there are some 3D displays and 3D Blu-ray players that have a mode that attempts to create a 3D effect from a 2D source, but the quality is not as good as native 3D.

[hazelwu]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

3D movies are sometimes created natively from a 3D camera that records a separate left and right image, however sometimes 2D cameras are used and then in editing converted to 3D by the studio. The Blu-ray 3D format launched in 2010 and one is required to have a 3D projector or 3D display to watch 3D movies. Now there are some 3D displays and 3D Blu-ray players that have a mode that attempts to create a 3D effect from a 2D source, but the quality is not as good as native 3D.

I just want to add, all 3D movies created by movie studios from 2D movies are way better than 3D created by a 3D TV or player from 2D. 3D done by movie studios are carefully adjusted/created from elements that are simply not possible to be achieved by a 3D TV or player on-the-fly from 2D.

[HDTV1080P]

This is a good review to read about the latest LG C8 series OLED displays.


https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...68&postcount=1

[HDTV1080P]

Saying goodbye to analog video jacks on all or most future TV’s

When computer monitors and TV’s break most consumers end up purchasing a new model if the display is 10+ years old instead of getting the display repaired. And sometimes even if one wants to get the display repaired it is not possible to get the display repaired because the parts needed to repair the circuit board went out of production and can no longer be found in stock from parts supplies. Therefore, the reality is consumers always end up with new models of electronics for various reasons.



Around 3+ years ago, I mentioned that all desktop computer monitors in production have only a digital HDMI input and sometimes also digital Displayport input (but no analog video inputs at all on desktop computer monitors). The work around to the issue was consumers that wanted analog inputs instead were purchasing flat panel TV’s and projectors that offered both HDMI and analog video inputs. Around the year 2010 the S-Video jack was removed from all new displays and A/V receivers. Therefore, consumers have gone through 8 years of TV models that no longer offer 480i S-Video jacks. But in general back in 2015 (much less true in 2018), flat panel HDTV’s especially the higher-end models came with at least one component video input good for 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, and sometimes 1080p resolution, at least one 480i composite video input, and a RF input that worked with NTSC/ATSC/QAM signals (basically everything except the S-Video input).



However, in the year 2018 new models of displays are changing rapidly. Normally the high-end top of the line models of HDTV’s well have more input jacks when compared to lower end and lower priced flat panels. Displays can be made cheaper if they have no analog inputs or less analog input jacks on them. On some of the high-end top of the line 2018 LG OLED Ultra HDTV’s and some other HDTV’s on the market from various companies there is no longer any component video input jacks at all. What happen to S-Video back around 2010 is now happening to many 2018 Ultra HDTV’s when it comes to no longer offering analog component video inputs. Some of the 2017 or 2018 TV models that do still offer component video input require a special 3.5mm to RCA adapter plug to be used to feed component video into the display. Now the latest 2018 LG Ultra HDTV’s still have the legacy 480i composite video feature but to use that feature a special 3.5mm to RCA composite video adapter needs to be used. So at least on the 2018 models from LG and some others, composite video input is possible with the correct adapter connected. Also LG still makes RF tuners that handle a channel 2, 3, and 4 NTSC modulated video and audio signal from a classic 70’s and 80’s videogame and computer system (but that well not be the case in the future). Looking at the specs for this year’s 2018 high-end Samsung Ultra HDTV that cost around $2,800, there is no analog video inputs at all, not even the legacy 480i composite video inputs. To make matters worse Samsung has dropped the NTSC feature from their built in tuners according to the spec sheets I was looking at. In reality for over a decade all full power TV stations in the United States have been broadcasting in digital ATSC. In addition, all or most all Cable TV companies are now 100% QAM with no more NTSC channels. So it’s very logical to not offer analog NTSC tuners in all new TV’s and instead only offer 100% ATSC/QAM tuners. However, there are some consumers that have videogame systems, computer systems, and VCR’s from the 20th Century that need a RF input with a NTSC tuner built in. Yes, one can purchase a digital ATSC RF modulator with both a HDMI input and a composite video input but the problem is those ATSC RF modulators cost around $895 (ATSC RF modulators one day in 5-10+ years might cost under $100 when all future TV tuners in 2020+ only offer ATSC/QAM and drop the NTSC feature). NTSC RF modulators that sale for around $20 or $30+ well become useless non-compatible item when connected to a new flat panel TV that only offers ATSC/QAM tuners. One needs to really hunt to find a 2018 TV that has all three of the following features on a flat panel: component video, composite video, and analog NTSC.

What all or most 2020+ flat panels TV’s well have in regards to input jacks (say goodbye to NTSC RF that people have used over the decades)

Because of inflation and because manufactories are looking to produce flat panels and projectors at cheaper prices. Most likely somewhere around 2020+ all or most flat panels including the top of the line Ultra HDTV models well no longer offer any component video inputs, no longer offer composite video inputs, and no longer offer NTSC RF tuners (And this is starting to happen on the latest top of the line models in 2018). Also in the future with the new ATSC 3.0 standard we are looking at all new built in TV tuners to be exclusive ATSC/ATSC 3.0/QAM models with no NTSC feature offered (again NTSC not needed since all or most cable TV companies have converted to QAM) and full power broadcast TV stations have been 100% ATSC for over 10 years. Now there is 480i composite video to HDMI converter boxes on the market for around $14.99 but that is not as good as solution as having a native HDMI output.



Most consumers well not miss analog video since all modern equipment uses HDMI. One of the reasons HDMI became so popular and soon to be the only way to connect TV sets, is because it’s a very simple way to carry all video and audio signals and its backwards compatible. If someone owns a coming soon HDMI 2.1 flat panel most of the time unless there is a incompatibility issue all old HDMI equipment can be connected. Analog video connections were never backward compatible (Always coming out with a new style of connector when the quality improved except for 1080i component video which was backwards compatible with 480i-720P component video). First came RF with videogames and VCR’s in the 70’s, then 480i composite video in the late 70’s, then 480i S-Video in 1987, then 480i component video around 1997 with the launch of the DVD format, later on 480p-1080i component video. If HDMI did not exist then instead of using one cable for 4K Ultra HD video with 7.1 lossless audio, one would instead be getting 1080i with 7.1 analog audio using a total of 11 cables! 3 RCA cables for the component video connection and 8 audio RCA cables for 7.1 surround sound. When the Blu-ray format first came out in 2006, the 2006-2010 models of Blu-ray players did require 11 RCA cables to deliver both 7.1 surround sound and 1080i video if HDMI was not being used. Years later the BDA mandated that all analog video connections to be removed from Blu-ray players since HDMI is more secure. High-end Blu-ray players are allowed to have up to 7.1 analog audio outputs for consumers that have older A/V receivers with no HDMI inputs for lossless audio.

[HDTV1080P]

QUOTE


"Ready or not here it comes. Samsung today unveiled an 85-inch 8K TV that will become the first 8K set available for sale in the U.S. when it ships in October."

Read more at https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...fbUkg4Hcpm3.99


QUOTES


"With no available native 8K content, and none likely in the foreseeable future, all three vendors touted the upscaling qualities of their new models."


"Just as 4K TVs offer four times the pixels of 2K HD, 8K again quadruples the number of pixels from eight in 4K to a whopping 33 million (7680 x 4320), producing a stunning near-real image, especially from native 8K content."


https://www.twice.com/product/ifa-20...samsung-lg-tcl

[HDTV1080P]

New 8K DLP Laser Projector from Digital Projection

This new Insight 8K Laser DLP projector from Digital Projection INC has a native resolution of 7680 x 4320 at up to 60Hz in 8K mode (up to 240Hz at 4K).


http://www.digitalprojection.com/dp-...ight-laser-8k/


http://www.digitalprojection.co.uk/d...-u.php?id=9097

[HDTV1080P]

Some more details regarding the $300,000 8K DLP projection system and the $600,000 8K 3-D projection system from Digtial Projection

The first 8K DLP projector for consumers and businesses costs $299,995 for 2D only (does not do 3D but offers native 24Hz flicker free quality). A dual projector 8K setup for passive 3D costs around $600,000 with native 24Hz for each eye with no flickering. Commercial movie theaters are still using native 4K projectors and have not yet upgraded to 8K DLP projectors.

There is 4 12G-SDI digital interfaces on this projector. In my conversation with the Digital Projection company, it sounds like this Insight 8K projector might receive a HDMI 2.1 upgrade in the first quarter of 2019. 8K and 10K sources require HDMI 2.1, and if this is true this would become the first consumer product that accepts a native 8K signal over HDMI 2.1.

http://www.digitalprojection.com/dp-...ight-laser-8k/


http://www.digitalprojection.co.uk/d...-u.php?id=9097

The following are select word for word quotes from a email conversation with Digital Projection INC

"The Insight Laser 8K is listed at $299,995."



"The input section of the Insight 8K projector is, and will continue to be for some time, under improvement."


"At this time, the fully upgraded Insight Laser 8K projector can accept 16 3G-SDI (each is HD), or 4 12G-SDI (each is UHD) channels of synchronized video content."


"The next change we expect should be before the end of the year, when 4 DisplayPort 1.2 inputs should be made available."


"Later, perhaps in the first quarter of 2019, we expect that HDMI inputs will be made available."


"So far the only native 8K content that I have been aware of has been specially made content."


"The content that we have been using to demonstrate this projector has included some computer graphics presentations, but the most compelling content has been scenes of nature and humanity captured in 8K resolution (7680 x 4320@60)."


"The Insight Laser 8K projector does not have on-board 3D processing."


"However, two Insight Laser 8K projectors can be used to create a passive 3D experience."


"The projectors would be aligned so that they would overlay their images on the screen together, and there would need to be a polarizing filter in front of each projector to polarize them in different ways."


"The screen would need to be one of the “silver screen” types which retains the original polarization."


"The Insight Laser 8K projector is currently capable of 24Hz and 60Hz refresh rates with 8K resolution."


"It is possible that this will be increased to 120Hz in time. (Possibly only for 12G-SDI inputs.)"


"With UHD resolution, the refresh rate can be as high as 240Hz."

[HDTV1080P]

quote


"Until recently, most home 4K projectors used lower-than-4K-resolution imaging chips and employed various types of time-offset pixel shifting to display a 4K image on a screen. Such projectors are affordable and widely available, and they can be remarkably effective. True, full 4K projection, on the other hand, has remained something of a golden goose, priced out of the range of mere mortals.


In 2017, Sony shook up the market when it introduced three under-$10,000 native 4K projectors."

Read more at https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...VpXrrRGIWrm.99

[HDTV1080P]

If the picture quality of this ultra thin roll up poster style OLED display is the same or better then what consumers have in 2018, then this well be a very popular product.


The first models well only be around 65 inches. Just imagine having a 120 inch OLED roll up poster style OLED screen in the far future. You walk in your door to your home and unroll a 120 inch screen to place on the wall.


quote


"LG last January unveiled TV sets that roll up like posters, but that was just a concept that wasn’t ready for an actual commercial launch. However, things will change next year, as the Korean giant is hoping to revive its ailing TV business by bringing this novel form factor to life in the real world."


https://bgr.com/2018/12/18/lg-rollab...loomberg-says/

[HDTV1080P]

QUOTE


"The space-saving projector can be placed a little more than 2 inches from the wall to project a 90-inch diagonal image, while moving it 7 inches away allows it to project a 120-inch image."


https://www.twice.com/product/lgs-ci...hu85l-ces-2019

[HDTV1080P]

For those consumers that are not interested in 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray, but have a big interest in Blu-ray 3D which is native 1080P. Infocus has relaunched the ScreenPlay line of DLP projectors that have native 1080P imaging chips. According to Sound and Vision magazine these ScreenPlay projectors offer the Cinema quality 144Hz triple flash technology for Blu-ray 3D.


quote


"Both also equipped with two HDMI 1.4a ports and support 3D content; optional 144-Hz DLP Link 3D glasses are available. "

Read more at https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...M57lVjX6yCd.99

[HDTV1080P]

Good article to read from Sound and Vision magazine about HDR.


"HDR (High Dynamic Range) Explained"


https://www.soundandvision.com/content/hdr-explained

[HDTV1080P]

Consumers going to the commercial movie theaters well have 3 choices for high-end movie experiences: IMAX, Dolby Cinema, and Sony Digital Cinema."


QUOTE


"Sony has announced that plans to launch an “experiential” large format movie theater system in Las Vegas to effectively compete with IMAX and Dolby Vision theaters."


"Hailed as the largest of its kind in Las Vegas, the venue will be the first in a planned nationwide rollout of Sony Digital Cinemas."


Read more at https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...o1QpGiWd36e.99

[HDTV1080P]

Sound and Vision magazine did a review on the $35,000 Sony VPL-VW995ES LCOS Projector.


"The Sony VPL-VW995ES delivers reference-level images with all video formats and benefits from a high-end lens that's optimized for 4K playback."

Read more at https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...I7PB3rBTVkO.99

[HDTV1080P]

Sim2 Nero 4S UHD/HDR Projector

On pages 40-47 of the March 2019 Widescreen Review magazine there is a review of the $30,000 SIM2 Neo 4S (Dual Nero 4S using two projectors is $55,000). While commercial DLP projectors in movie theaters (and some consumers homes also) use $100,000+ 4K DLP projectors with a native 4096 x 2160P imaging chip, this low cost $30,000 Sim2 Nero 4S projector only has a native resolution of 2716 x 1536 and flashes half the pixels in the frame. To display all 8.3 millions pixels it takes two full frame flashes instead of one. The advantage of Sony and JVC LCOS projectors that range between $5,000-$35,000+ is that they have a true 4096 x 2160P imaging chip that displays 8.3 million pixels in one full frame flash. I hope that in the future new and improved DLP chips well be developed for consumers so that the imaging chip displays the full 4096 x 2160P or 3,840 x 2160P resolution in one frame flash. That is the real negative about low cost DLP consumer projectors currently is that they cannot produce the same resolution as a $5,000+ LCOS projector.



The SIM2 Nero 4S projector has a vertical refresh rate between 24Hz to 120Hz. Native 4K and 1080P material that has a frame rate of 24P is quad flashed to 96Hz on this projector. 30P content is quad flashed four times to 120Hz. 60i and 60P content is double flashed to 120Hz.


https://www.widescreenreview.com/wsr...il.php?current (sample March 2019 issue online for a limited time).

[HDTV1080P]

The JVC DLA-NX9 projector is a native 4096 x 2160 resolution LCOS projector. While top of the line consumer LCOS projectors run around $35,000, the JVC DLA-NX9 is a cheaper projector at $18,000. The JVC projectors support Blu-ray 3D technology and has black levels that are better then most other projectors on the market with near OLED quality black levels. However only HDR10 is supported on LCOS projectors and hopefully in the future Dolby Vision HDR and HDR10+ well be supported on next generation projectors.


The following are select quotes from the Sound and Vision magazine review:


"It took a while, but JVC has finally updated its full consumer projector lineup to native 4K (4,096 x 2,160) resolution. Just over two years ago, Sound & Vision reviewed the company's first native 4K model, the $29,995 flagship DLA-RS4500. For this review I am going to cover the flagship model from the new range, the DLA-NX9 (also available as the DLA-RS3000 from JVC's professional division). At $18,000, the NX9 isn't exactly a casual purchase, though it does deliver some new features at a price point we haven't seen before from JVC."


"While the NX9's e-shift optical actuator mechanism doesn't actually provide true 8K performance, it does increase onscreen resolution to near-8K quality. The big caveat here is that the NX9 doesn't accept an 8K input signal, so it won't be compatible with future 8K sources if and when they arrive."


"JVC's black levels extend far lower than the competition, giving them a reputation for almost OLED-like image quality."

Read more at https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...ojector-review