3D/2D Displays that support 3D & 2D & 24p at multiplies of the original frame rate

[Electric_Haggis]

Well the Optoma HD80 projector not only handles 24p - it handles it BRILLIANTLY according to this new review...

http://www.projectorcentral.com/

What a unit... I want one for the home!!!

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by Electric_Haggis

Well the Optoma HD80 projector not only handles 24p - it handles it BRILLIANTLY according to this new review...

http://www.projectorcentral.com/

What a unit... I want one for the home!!!

Thanks for the information on this projector that was reviewed on July 31st 2007. According to the review link you provided the Optima HD80 accepts a 1080P/24 input and refreshed it at multiplies of the original frame which qualifies the product to be added to the master list. The review, owners manual, and specs does not mention what the refresh rate is but according to other sources which hopefully is accurate the projector refreshes 1080P/24 material at 48HZ which most likely is correct since the Optima HD81 was verified to be 48HZ refresh rate for 1080P/24 source material.

The Optima HD80 with a street price of only $2,699 is the cheapest true 1080P/24 projector and display to be added to the list so far. It also has been added to the PAL and SECAM list since it supports those formats also with voltages of 90-264 Volts at 50/60HZ. This projector is truly a bargain. Personally I prefer 3 chip DLP or 3 chip LCOS projectors but the price is a lot higher for that technology. Some people see rainbows with 1 chip DLP’s even with 6X color wheels. Then again at that speed it would be rare for most people to see rainbows.
QUOTE
“In watching Casablanca on HD-DVD, we saw no hint of rainbow effects on this projector.”

QUOTE on 1080P/24 at multiplies of the original frame
“And when it was given a 1080p/24 signal from our Pioneer Blu-ray player, it delivered a spectacular razor sharp image that was unmatched by any other projector we've yet seen under $5,000.
This needs a side comment. In theory, 1080p/24 is the cleanest signal you can have for transmitting Blu-ray and HD DVD content from a player to the projector. That is because the movie material on Blu-ray and HD DVD discs is encoded in 1080p at the film capture rate of 24 frames per second. If the player is capable of outputting this native format, and the projector is capable of receiving and displaying it without converting to 30 or 60 hertz variants, the image should be maintained in its most pristine original form. Contrary to common myth, the 1080p/60 format is not better, faster, cleaner, or in any way superior to 1080p/24 when it comes to film source reproduction. We have seen several projectors that have very sharp and stable images with 1080p/60 that are not improved by switching to 1080p/24. However, in the case of the Optoma HD80, incremental image sharpness is the most obvious immediate benefit. A secondary benefit is a subtle smoothing of horizontal motion judder, but superior image sharpness is by far the most valuable improvement.
Therefore, to get the absolute maximum performance from the Optoma HD80, you must match it with a high resolution HD 1080p disc player that outputs 1080p/24. In the Blu-ray world, those would be the Pioneer BDP-HD1, the two Sony Blu-ray players along with the Sony PlayStation 3, and the Samsung BDP-1200. In HD DVD world, you should be able to get 1080p/24 on the Toshiba HD-XA2 and the HDA20 with an upcoming firmware update in early September. We hope that happens, because as impressive as Toshiba has been in delivering low cost HD DVD players, they have been slow to get their act together when it comes to delivering 1080p/24 capability. The need for them to do so is obvious when one hooks up the Pioneer Blu-ray player to the Optoma HD80, sets it to 1080p/24, then pops in something like the MPEG-4 encoded disc The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. This is cutting edge home theater, pure and simple.”

**Optima HD 80 removed from list since it refreshes at 60HZ for 1080P/24 material **

The Optima HD80 has been removed from the list. Below are quotes from two separate sources that have verified the Optima HD 80 only refreshes 1080P/24 material at 60HZ. The original reason why this projector was added to the list can be found at the following link. Either Projector Center website received a preproduction sample of the projector that had specs different from the official consumer release or they made a mistake when reviewing this projector.

Original link why this projector was added to the list
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=151226&postcount=135


Quote from Perfect Vision magazine
“It also accepts 1080p/24, though such signals are displayed at 60Hz, defeating the purpose of 1080p/24.”
http://www.avguide.com/the-perfect-vision/81/optomahd80.php

Quote from Sound and Vision magazine
“The projector was able to accept 1080p/24-format signals from Blu-ray Disc players, although Optoma says the HD80 displays them at a standard 60-Hz refresh rate.”
http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/hdtvs/2473/test-bench-optoma-hd80-1080p-dlp-front-projector.html

[AlaskaDon]

I'm still working on my HD80 installation so I haven't got to try it out yet. In order to get enough throw distance in the room where I'm installing it I will have to mount it on the ceiling in the room next door and cut a hole in the wall to project thru. Also was building my own screen and had to get the theater room emptied out and prepared. It's taking longer than I figured.

I'll be using a PS3 for BD playback and I guess I'm going to have to replace my AVR if I want to take advantage of 1080P/24, as I don't think my Denon-2807 wil handle it. Is that correct? Anyway, I'm now shooting to have it up and running by the weekend still using the Denon, and will replace that soon, probably with a new Onkyo. I'll let you guys know how she looks when I get there

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by AlaskaDon

I'm still working on my HD80 installation so I haven't got to try it out yet. In order to get enough throw distance in the room where I'm installing it I will have to mount it on the ceiling in the room next door and cut a hole in the wall to project thru. Also was building my own screen and had to get the theater room emptied out and prepared. It's taking longer than I figured.

I'll be using a PS3 for BD playback and I guess I'm going to have to replace my AVR if I want to take advantage of 1080P/24, as I don't think my Denon-2807 wil handle it. Is that correct? Anyway, I'm now shooting to have it up and running by the weekend still using the Denon, and will replace that soon, probably with a new Onkyo. I'll let you guys know how she looks when I get there

You can always run the PS3 directly into one of the two HDMI inputs on the HD80 and bypass the receiver. Since the PS3 has no analog audio outputs then you would need a HDMI splitter device if your receiver can not handle 1080P/24. A HDMI splitter would deliver audio to the receiver and video to the HD80. The Denon AVR 2807 can handle 1080P/60 HDMI switching for video but might not work with 1080P/24 switching. You can always try it and see if it accepts a 1080P/24 signal. If it does not you will either need to run the PS3 directly into the HD80 or buy a new receiver.
If you feel you need a new receiver you could get one of the new coming soon Onkyo or Denon receivers with HDMI 1.3a and advanced audio decoding support for all BLU-RAY audio formats. The old receiver could be sold on EBAY or placed in a second room in your home for a second home theater room.

[Zinn]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

The Samsung BD-P2400 has been added to the list since it has 1080P/24 support and should arrive in October. According to one of my sources the BD-P2400 is replacing the BD-P1200 which is soon going out of production. The BD-P2400 is PIP and BD-live fully compatible.
The old model BD-P1200 that is going out of production will remain on the list until it is no longer available for sale.

Can you provide a link where it says that the BD-P2400 is fully compatible with PIP and BD-live?

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by Zinn

Can you provide a link where it says that the BD-P2400 is fully compatible with PIP and BD-live?

According to one of my sources the Samsung BD-P2400 will have the minimum hardware requirements for both PIP and BD-LIVE. As this player comes closer to the October or November release date Samsung should be releasing more official details.
The Blu-ray Disc Association has mandated that all BLU-RAY standalone players manufactured after October 31st 2007 must hold a minimum of 256MB of memory for PIP feature. Also every BLU-RAY player that contains an Ethernet jack or Internet connection manufactured after October 31st 2007 is required to have a minimum of 1GB of memory for BD-LIVE.
There are many BLU-RAY standalone players that are going out production in October do to the mandate. Since the PS3 is not a standalone BLU-RAY player and is a high quality Video game system it might not be covered by the mandate. If the PS3 is covered by the mandate then the 80GB model will meet all the hardware requirements needed for PIP and BD-LIVE.
For the BLU-RAY players that meet the minimum hardware requirements for PIP a firmware update and movies that support PIP might appear in the 4th quarter of 2007. For the BLU-RAY players that meet the minimum hardware requirements for BD-LIVE a firmware update and movies that support BD-LIVE might appear as soon as the 1st or 2nd quarter of 2008.

October 31st mandate info link
http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6427147.html?nid=2840

UPDATE, Samsung BD-P2400 might not have the min hardware requirements for PIP and BD-live and has been moved from the list since the Oct 31st mandate has a loophole

The list has been updated with accurate information regarding which BLU-RAY players meet the minimum hardware requirements for PIP and BD-LIVE.

Due to my recent understanding of the loophole in the October 31st mandate I have updated the BLU-RAY list with accurate information on which players have the minimum hardware requirements for PIP and BD-LIVE. Only companies that have announced their model supports PIP and BD-LIVE capability are now on the list.
For more information about this loophole visit the following link
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=206150&postcount=184

[HDTV1080P]

The BLU-RAY camp has had 1080P/24 players since December 2006. Finally Toshiba is releasing two 3rd generation HD-DVD players in September and October that have 1080P/24 outputs. The HD-A30 and HD-A35 have been added to the list and are the very first Toshiba players with 1080P/24 support.

Link “Toshiba to Debut Third Generation HD DVD Players for High Definition Enthusiasts”

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/08-06-2007/0004639654&EDATE=

P.S.

The second generation Toshiba HD-DVD players are currently out of production from my sources. None of them had 1080P/24 output's.

[HDTV1080P]

A minor update to the list has been made. The Panasonic PT-AE100U LCD has been verified to refresh 1080P/24 material at 72HZ according to the following review link.
Quote
“Finally, the projector will accept and display not only 1080p/60 and other common standard and high-definition resolutions, but 1080p/24 as well. It frame-triples the 24fps and displays it at 72Hz, which eliminates the judder inherent in 3/2 pulldown.”

http://ultimateavmag.com/videoprojectors/307panaptae/index1.html

[Electric_Haggis]

Anyone know if the Panasonic TH-42PZ700 plasma can do real 24p?

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by Electric_Haggis

Anyone know if the Panasonic TH-42PZ700 plasma can do real 24p?

From my research as far as I am aware all current models of Panasonic Plasma’s refresh at 60HZ.

[HDTV1080P]

The list has been updated. A highend Onkyo DV-HD805 HD-DVD player will sale for a list price of $899 and is coming this fall 2007. It supports Deep color and will also have HDMI 1.3a.

Quote
“The Onkyo DV-HD805 also supports different frame rates, including playback at 24 frames per second, the native frame rate of the original sources for most HD content, Onkyo said.”

http://www.twice.com/article/CA6467546.html

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/sh..._This_Fall/850

[miro]

my dad is looking to buy a tv around 46" in size. Is the Samsung LN-T4665F 46-inch a good one? For that size is LCD better or Plasma? A little off subject but what are the advantages to waiting to get a blu-ray player in october?. I heard something was changing and if so what, and could i just get a ps3 and still be ok without having to worry about it? Also i saw on that tv that the contrast ratio is 15,000 to 1. is that good? He does know that he wants one with 1080p/24 signal. Any help would be great. Thanks and Blu-ray ROCKS! Oh and i have a new found hatred for universal studios. They suck the big one

[miro]

any help would do. not to be annoying.

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by miro

my dad is looking to buy a tv around 46" in size. Is the Samsung LN-T4665F 46-inch a good one? For that size is LCD better or Plasma? A little off subject but what are the advantages to waiting to get a blu-ray player in october?. I heard something was changing and if so what, and could i just get a ps3 and still be ok without having to worry about it? Also i saw on that tv that the contrast ratio is 15,000 to 1. is that good? He does know that he wants one with 1080p/24 signal. Any help would be great. Thanks and Blu-ray ROCKS! Oh and i have a new found hatred for universal studios. They suck the big one

Plasma in general has a better picture quality then LCD when it comes to black levels and viewing angles. LCD displays are improving every year in contrast ratio and viewing angles and have no burn in problems. Currently so far no one makes a LCD display that has a 1080P/24 input that refreshes at multiplies of the original frame (48HZ, 72HZ, 96HZ, and 120HZ). All the Samsung LCD’s currently are 60HZ refresh. 15,000:1 contrast ratio is good for today’s LCD standards.
The only reason to wait until October 31st to own a BLU-RAY player is if you are interested in the PIP feature or BD-LIVE feature. The Blu-ray Disc Association has mandated that all BLU-RAY standalone players manufactured after October 31st 2007 must hold a minimum of 256MB of memory for PIP feature. Also every BLU-RAY player that contains an Ethernet jack or Internet connection manufactured after October 31st 2007 is required to have a minimum of 1GB of memory for BD-LIVE.
There are many BLU-RAY standalone players that are going out production in October do to the mandate. Since the PS3 is not a standalone BLU-RAY player and is a high quality Video game system it might not be covered by the mandate. If the PS3 is covered by the mandate then the 80GB model will meet all the hardware requirements needed for PIP and BD-LIVE.
For the BLU-RAY players that meet the minimum hardware requirements for PIP a firmware update and movies that support PIP might appear in the 4th quarter of 2007. For the BLU-RAY players that meet the minimum hardware requirements for BD-LIVE a firmware update and movies that support BD-LIVE might appear as soon as the 1st or 2nd quarter of 2008.

P.S.

Hopefully Universal Studios one day will release movies in the BLU-RAY format. I really do not want to upgrade all my DVD players to Combo players that play both formats. I would rather upgrade them all to BLU-RAY players as long as Universal Studios releases in the BLU-RAY format one day.

[miro]

thanks you so much for the help. this all gets a bit confusing. Are there any down sides to plasma? I just don't understand why something better cost so much less than lcd. Also how long do lcd and plasmas last? like what is there lifespan like? Again thanks for the help.

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by miro

thanks you so much for the help. this all gets a bit confusing. Are there any down sides to plasma? I just don't understand why something better cost so much less than lcd. Also how long do lcd and plasmas last? like what is there lifespan like? Again thanks for the help.

Many LCD dispalys are cheaper then Plasma. The only major down side to Plasma is that they can experience burn in issues when playing videogames, etc. If your into playing videogames LCD is a better choice since no burn in issues.
For movie watching Plasma offers the best picture in a flat panel with only LCOS front and rear projectors offering a better picture quality compared to Plasma.
Both LCD and Plasma’s have a half life around 60,000 hours. Panasonic just recently with their Plasma’s have extended the half life to 100,000 on their current Plasma’s. Panasonic is also researching and looking into including 1080P/24 inputs on future Plasma’s for possible the 2008 models. Current only Pioneer offers 1080P/24 Plasma’s.

Panasonic Extends Plasma Half Life
http://www.twice.com/article/CA6466364.html

[Icaro]

Hi,
where is in the list the Cineversum Blackwing II?
i've this pj, and work perfectly with 24p at refresh rate of 48Hz,
only one what that I do not understand:
the BlackWing Two how Dreambee is a clone of the JVC DLA-HD1, identical inner circuits, why to the jvc come marked a refresh rate of 96Hz?

Sorry for my bad English.

[mildots]

Also:

Sony KDL40W3000 40" LCD
Sony KDL46W3000 46" LCD
Sony KDL52W3000 52" LCD

Sony KDL52XBR4/5 52" LCD
Sony KDL46XBR4/5 46" LCD
Sony KDL40XBR4/5 40" LCD

They also do 1080p/24 via HDMI

[POTC123]

Originally Posted by mildots

Also:

Sony KDL40W3000 40" LCD
Sony KDL46W3000 46" LCD
Sony KDL52W3000 52" LCD

Sony KDL52XBR4/5 52" LCD
Sony KDL46XBR4/5 46" LCD
Sony KDL40XBR4/5 40" LCD

They also do 1080p/24 via HDMI

you can also add

Sony KDS-50A3000 50" August 31st
Sony KDS-55A3000 55" August 31st
Sony KDS-60A3000 60" August 31st

Sony KDS-Z60XBR5 60" October 2007
Sony KDS-Z70XBR5 70" October 2007

They have 1080p/24 using HDMI 1.3

[benben_lee2002]

Anybody knows which kind of HDTV support this function?

Some of the SONY's HDTV support this function, anything else?