Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[DukeTogo84]

Went to a somewhat local pumpkin patch today for my daughter and man it felt like World War Z. Hundreds of people close together with ZERO social distancing going on. It was bad, real bad. People were waiting in line for the ride through the cornfield and everyone was shoulder to shoulder. No wonder we can't get rid of this virus. Almost no one gives a shit at this point it seems.

[Chiefy]

I of course believe coronavirus is real but I personally only know one person that has gotten it, and that person lives outside of my state. If this truly was a "pandemic", people would be dying left and right. At most this could be considered on outbreak?

I have found myself in a few uncomfortable instances. One place, people were just a little bit too close together, huggy kissy etc, Like nothing is going on in the world. Luckily I have not caught anything.

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

I always find that excuse to be the most idiotic. people that are not sick don't test positive.

Tests aren't perfect, and sometimes the result is a false positive.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

Tests aren't perfect, and sometimes the result is a false positive.

true Boss, and
‘Negative results do not preclude COVID-19 and should not be used as the sole basis for patient management decisions. Negative results must be combined with clinical observations, patient history, and epidemiological information.’
https://testguide.labmed.uw.edu/public/view/NCVQLT

[Penton-Man]

U.S. Surge Sees 50,000 New Daily Covid-19 Cases | NBC Nightly News - YouTube

[Penton-Man]

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...n#post18176569

^ -> and alas, read the latest memo released this evening - https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/10/polit...ate/index.html
"this morning's COVID PCR sample demonstrates, by currently recognized standards, he is no longer considered a transmission risk to others"
Translation: the patient’s PCR test is still positive, but he’s really close to the Ct cutoff
(as predicted by my better half )

[Penton-Man]

I would prefer Keck USC not make CBS news (at the beginning of the video) in the following regard, but alas, the coronavirus is not going away anytime soon -

U.S. records more than 50,000 coronavirus infections for 3rd straight day - YouTube

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by DukeTogo84

Went to a somewhat local pumpkin patch today for my daughter and man it felt like World War Z. Hundreds of people close together with ZERO social distancing going on. It was bad, real bad. People were waiting in line for the ride through the cornfield and everyone was shoulder to shoulder. No wonder we can't get rid of this virus. Almost no one gives a shit at this point it seems.

And that is why I am annoyed at this whole thing. I can understand people wanting to get out and not be prisoners in their homes, but these crowds with no social distancing (many of which have people with no masks on) is beyond ludicrous!

[Pondosinatra]

Originally Posted by DukeTogo84

Went to a somewhat local pumpkin patch today for my daughter and man it felt like World War Z. Hundreds of people close together with ZERO social distancing going on. It was bad, real bad. People were waiting in line for the ride through the cornfield and everyone was shoulder to shoulder. No wonder we can't get rid of this virus. Almost no one gives a shit at this point it seems.

What's the issue? Only old people get sick... /s

[Mike16]

Originally Posted by DukeTogo84

Went to a somewhat local pumpkin patch today for my daughter and man it felt like World War Z. Hundreds of people close together with ZERO social distancing going on. It was bad, real bad. People were waiting in line for the ride through the cornfield and everyone was shoulder to shoulder. No wonder we can't get rid of this virus. Almost no one gives a shit at this point it seems.

This is one reason why we've decided not to continue our annual fall traditions of going to the apple orchard and pumpkin patch. Even considering passing up horror attractions this year. Sucks not only because we get to miss out on our yearly traditions but these farms we go to are locally and independently owned and for the most part only open like 4 months out of the year so they could use all the support they can get.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by MrHT

It is actually VERY simple but people can’t do simple things. First simple thing, wear a mask. Second simple thing, only go out for essential purposes. Third simple thing, keep six feet distance from other people.

None of those three things are hard at all, yet people just aren’t doing it. If people were following those three things diligently, then there’s no way in hell the virus would be spreading the way it is right now.

You cannot honestly say that we’re doing the best we can when we’re constantly hearing on the news about mass gatherings in bars and college parties.

No I don't think we did the best job, I think we did an extremely crappy one and it could have been done better. In theory you are right and it is that simpel, truth is in theory it is much simpler then that, and it is why there are a few places that are in the single digits or even brought it down to 0.


The problem is you need extreme measures and vigilance and in reality it is no where near that simple.

But you say it is simple and you only need
First simple thing, wear a mask.
Second simple thing, only go out for essential purposes.
Third simple thing, keep six feet distance from other people.

Masks are not infallible if they were you would not need 2 & 3 I posted this many months ago when it was news https://globalnews.ca/news/6969802/c...es-care-homes/

here in Canada back in May when Covid was decimating a few old age homes Quebec and Ontario asked the government for help and it sent in military doctors and personal. These people had masks and visors and yet just the fact that they were for hours and close contact with sick people was enough for them to catch it even with all that protective gear

you also said
Second simple thing, only go out for essential purposes.
Third simple thing, keep six feet distance from other people.

so let me ask you this , was you getting a hair cut (since you posted about it on this thread)

was the person cutting your hair six feet away? In what way is a hair cut essential for you?

[dublinbluray108]

Originally Posted by dublinbluray108

I have sport-related Covid news for you.

It's been confirmed tonight from the Football Association of Ireland via RTÉ Sport that a 2nd backroom member of it's staff associated with the Rep of Ireland senior men's football team has been tested positive for Covid-19.

This 2nd confirmed positive case is currently asymptomatic with no symptoms.

It travelled from Dublin Airport to Bratislava with the senior team & other FAI staff members on Tuesday morning. Two Rep. of Ireland players, namely Aaron Connolly & Adam Idah, are both reported to be close contacts of this positive case. They have since been removed from the team bench for tonight's European Qualifier Semi-Final match between The Rep. of Ireland & Slovakia in Bratislava.

The team & staff will be tested under UFEA Covid-19 protocols in Dublin from this Friday.

The FAI statement is here.



Slovakia's football team also have a lost of a fair number of their players from the team for tonight's game due to having Covid/Covid travel restrictions.

I have an update for you as to how the 2 Covid positive test results occurred with the 2 FAI staff members earlier this week.

It turns out that when the 1st positive test for Covid-19 occurred at Dublin Airport on Tuesday morning; the other backroom staff member who was called up as a replacement on the Rep. of Ireland team plane to Slovakia by the FAI than subsequently tested positive for Covid-19 on Bratislava on Wednesday as reported by the Irish media on Thursday evening.

How it got there along with the situation surrounding Aaron Connolly & Adam Idah who were close contacts of the positive test on Thursday has also been addressed by the FAI. It turned out that Connolly & Idah along with 2 other Irish players sat on the wrong side of the plane with non-playing FAI staff members as the plane departed from Dublin Airport to Slovakia on Tuesday morning. The 4 Irish players in this instance did not sit with their teammates on the plane who were meant to play in the match on Thursday night. They were not told by the FAI to move to their own seats while they were on the plane.

Connolly & Idah were than forced to miss the game, under HSE Covid guidelines, as they were close contacts of the positive result on Thursday night.

https://www.the42.ie/connolly-and-id...urce=shortlink

It was then reported on Friday night that the FAI Ireland team & staff members went back from Slovakia to Dublin in 2 separate planes. Most of the FAI team mates & staff who were tested negative for Covid-19 were put back on their usual plane to Dublin. The positive test & the close contacts tested for Covid earlier this week then went back in a separate privately chartered plane to self-isolate from Covid-19 on their return to Ireland.

But according to media reports this morning; it turns out more information has come to my attention. There are more details here.

It turns out the backroom staff member who tested positive for Covid-19 in Slovakia on Wednesday evening was actually declared a false positive. He apparently had a 0.2% probability of having Covid-19 under Irish health system rules. One Rep.of Ireland player has also been officially tested positive for Covid-19 as of this weekend. The FAI have not released the name of this player as of today. However a total of 4 other Irish players were told to self-isolate from Covid as they were deemed close contacts of the player declared as the positive case. The 4 Irish players who were the close contacts from this positive case, are John Egan, Callum Robinson, Callum O'Dowda & Alan Browne.

Those 4 players deemed as close contacts were meant to start for their Nations League game against Wales in Dublin this afternoon.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by MrHT

Um no, even if we were to take extreme measures like that, it won’t be “forever.” If people we’re literally locked in their homes, the virus would have no place to go and then the pandemic will be over within a couple of months.

agree and that is what some places did. We saw pics of China where they literally sealed peoples home so they can't get out, I have posted it several times here but back at the start of this pandemic in Greece if you were caught outside your home without pre-approved permission you got an insane fine.

But in order to have this you need

1) a gouvernment that takes this serious
2) a gouvernment that is willing to PO a lot of people and take an extremely strong stand.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

Tests aren't perfect, and sometimes the result is a false positive.

please show me scientific research that shows that it is the reason for the positive tests.

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

true Boss, and
‘Negative results do not preclude COVID-19 and should not be used as the sole basis for patient management decisions. Negative results must be combined with clinical observations, patient history, and epidemiological information.’
https://testguide.labmed.uw.edu/public/view/NCVQLT

absolutely, false negatives are extremely easy to get.

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

please show me scientific research that shows that it is the reason for the positive tests.

It's not a matter of "scientific research," it is simply elementary. Unless you have a test that is 100% accurate every time, you're going to have false positives. And the scientific community universally agrees that the covid-19 tests aren't 100% accurate yet, so it's just a matter of deduction.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

It's not a matter of "scientific research," it is simply elementary. Unless you have a test that is 100% accurate every time, you're going to have false positives. And the scientific community universally agrees that the covid-19 tests aren't 100% accurate yet, so it's just a matter of deduction.

not at all your point makes zero sense what so ever. Let me put it this way, Normally people here get a grade of A,B,C,D and F because of Covid-19 and classes finishing months early they changed the grading to pass/fail.
Obviously you can't be 100% sure what the student would get with the normal system (is his "pass an A or a D but you can be 100% sure that an fail=F


the exact same here but in the opposite direction the tests work by finding enough Covid-19 RNA on the swab to give a positive result. There might not be enough and so you get a false negative for many reasons (infection is localized in an other area, there was a bit of Covid-19 but not enough for the test to get a positive.....) But if the test finds there is enough covid-19 on the swab to give a positive result then by definition there has to be covid-19 on the swab to get a positive result.

[Hayabusa85]

False positives are typically the result of cross contamination between samples.

[Gold Ranger]

I'm currently in the E. R.
I'm getting tested for Corona

[Gold Ranger]

I woke up sick.
Sore and swollen throat.
Dizzy and headache
Body aches
Tons of phlegm
Stuffy nose and ear pain.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

I'm currently in the E. R.
I'm getting tested for Corona

good luck hope it comes back negative