Star Wars: The Original Trilogy (1977-1983)

[mwynn]

Greedo Shoots First - A New Hope (1997 Special Edition) - YouTube

[kylor]

Originally Posted by Himmel

Lucas made sure Greedo shot first by precisely five frames

Five stages of grief incoming.

[drush9999]

I watched 4K77 at the weekend funnily enough, and was glad I don't have to suffer that scene cut like that anymore

[Roonan]

Originally Posted by Himmel

Lucas made sure Greedo shot first by precisely five frames

Media makes sure to give one last beat on a horse that has been dead since 1997

[stvn1974]

The Last Jedi is the Greedo shoots first scene stretched for 2 hours and 30 minutes.

[kylor]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

The Last Jedi is the Greedo shoots first scene stretched for 2 hours and 30 minutes.

So in that case, The Last Jedi is what George Lucas originally intended stretched for 2 hours and 30 minutes. By your own words.

After all, it has been revealed that the Greedo shooting first scene is what George wanted originally.

[mwynn]

denial.
anger.
bargaining.
depression.
acceptance.

[John1701D]

Originally Posted by mwynn

Greedo Shoots First - A New Hope (1997 Special Edition) - YouTube

That scene is so horrific. I don't follow this at all but are there people that actually like/defend it?

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by John1701D

That scene is so horrific. I don't follow this at all but are there people that actually like/defend it?

Depends on if they are on a everything Lucas did was right bender.

The worse part is this, which says Jaba was near by. IS calling him, yet knew he killed Greedo.

Jabba The Hutt - A New Hope [1080p HD] - YouTube

[JamesKurtovich]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

The Last Jedi is the Greedo shoots first scene stretched for 2 hours and 30 minutes.

I'll take Greedo's shot AND Jedi Rocks on repeat over TLJ.

[GrouchoFan]

I've been wondering for years, am I alone in my interpretation of the original 1977 version of the scene?

I've always seen it as not only does Han shoot "first" (as in, Greedo was about to shoot, but Han shot him first, Greedo doesn't even get a shot off), but Han actually shoots him under the table! Han is slouched down in the booth, and puts his leg up on the table to block Greedo's view of his gun hand. He's even trying to distract Greedo by picking at the wall with his left hand. I've freeze-framed the scene a million times on VHS (and that non-anamorphic official "bonus" DVD), and it's clear to me that the "ambiguity" in the editing was purposefully done so that, for a split second, the audience doesn't know who got blasted, this charming rogue we've just met or the threatening alien. Then Greedo crashing forward onto the table is the payoff.

There's no way Han can shoot him the way it's shown in the re-edit without blasting his own leg off, or Greedo seeing what he's up to. (Or maybe Han has some "magic bullet" that passes through his own leg and doesn't explode until it hits the target? ). That's why all those re-edited versions don't look right, it's just physically impossible. Also, Greedo misses him from point-blank range?!? Han is able to dodge a laser blast from three feet away?!? Maybe he's secretly a Force-user now?

No, it's clear to me: Han originally shoots him under the table, before Greedo can even get off a shot, a totally badass, character-defining move! Yet, in 20 years of reading online arguments about this scene, I can't remember seeing anyone else point this out. Or is it just so obvious, no one bothers to mention it?

I have spoken.

[Rodney-2187]

Originally Posted by GrouchoFan

Han originally shoots him under the table, before Greedo can even get off a shot, a totally badass, character-defining move! Yet, in 20 years of reading online arguments about this scene, I can't remember seeing anyone else point this out. Or is it just so obvious, no one bothers to mention it?

I have spoken.

Unfortunately, its just that George has been overwhelmingly successful in rewriting history.

[bobbyh64]

Lucas always intended for Greedo to shoot first. Just like how he always intended for Greedo to say “Maclunkey.” Technical limitations at the time prevented either of these from happening.

[rexcrk]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

The Last Jedi is the Greedo shoots first scene stretched for 2 hours and 30 minutes.

*groan*

Whenever I say “people can’t help but talk about movies they don’t like” I always think “maybe I’m exaggerating a little” but then... nope. People are constantly bringing them up in discussions that have nothing to do with them 🤪

[rexcrk]

Originally Posted by GrouchoFan

I've been wondering for years, am I alone in my interpretation of the original 1977 version of the scene?

I've always seen it as not only does Han shoot "first" (as in, Greedo was about to shoot, but Han shot him first, Greedo doesn't even get a shot off), but Han actually shoots him under the table! Han is slouched down in the booth, and puts his leg up on the table to block Greedo's view of his gun hand. He's even trying to distract Greedo by picking at the wall with his left hand. I've freeze-framed the scene a million times on VHS (and that non-anamorphic official "bonus" DVD), and it's clear to me that the "ambiguity" in the editing was purposefully done so that, for a split second, the audience doesn't know who got blasted, this charming rogue we've just met or the threatening alien. Then Greedo crashing forward onto the table is the payoff.

There's no way Han can shoot him the way it's shown in the re-edit without blasting his own leg off, or Greedo seeing what he's up to. (Or maybe Han has some "magic bullet" that passes through his own leg and doesn't explode until it hits the target? ). That's why all those re-edited versions don't look right, it's just physically impossible. Also, Greedo misses him from point-blank range?!? Han is able to dodge a laser blast from three feet away?!? Maybe he's secretly a Force-user now?

No, it's clear to me: Han originally shoots him under the table, before Greedo can even get off a shot, a totally badass, character-defining move! Yet, in 20 years of reading online arguments about this scene, I can't remember seeing anyone else point this out. Or is it just so obvious, no one bothers to mention it?

I have spoken.

The whole thing is just a mess lol. Between Greedo missing at point blank, the fact that it’s now supposed to be Han defending himself (which I never saw as that, since we still see Han prepping his blaster while Greedo is talking). It’s whatever... but I wish George Lucas had put a little more thought into it lol.

[ChainsawJedi]

Originally Posted by Himmel

Lucas made sure Greedo shot first by precisely five frames

Cheers. I hope this book has comments from George Lucas on all the subsequent edits made to the films and the reasons for making them (eg the power coupling scene and Dooku's escape from Geonosis in Attack Of The Clones).

[mwynn]

Han Shot First - All Changes Comparison (1977, 1997, 2004, 2011, 2019) - YouTube

[Rodney-2187]

Greedo never fired.

[ChainsawJedi]

Originally Posted by mwynn

Han Shot First - All Changes Comparison (1977, 1997, 2004, 2011, 2019) - YouTube

Han's line "Yes, I'll bet you have" was actually truncated to "I'll bet you have" for the 1997 special edition. I can't remember if that change was carried over to the 2004 DVD release but I do know that the Blu-ray edition now has the line in full.

[drush9999]

Funny how that is the most changed scene, something different in every iteration.
Obviously Lucas took the criticism to heart, shame that the cartoon Mos Eisley and Jedi Rocks never changed...