Star Wars: The Original Trilogy (1977-1983)

[Rodney-2187]

I still can't believe Carrie Fisher is gone.

[JimSmith]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

Only selfish idiots would personally slam a filmmaker, for making creative choices they disagree with. I remember seeing the 1997 edition of A New Hope in theaters, and being very impressed with it. I'd seen the original VHS countless times by then, and none of the changes bothered me. In retrospect, it amazes me that filming had already started on The Phantom Menace, yet most were clueless about it.

The CGI from the 1997 Star Wars special edition is a complete slimy unadulterated turd, you know, a complete abomination. Get some glasses buddy.

[SpaceGodzilla]

Years after their release the original trilogy are still three of my favorite movies of all time. That said, until the theatrical versions are released on Blu-ray I won't be adding them to my collection since I can't stand most of the alterations George Lucas made to them.

[formula72]

Originally Posted by SpaceGodzilla

Years after their release the original trilogy are still three of my favorite movies of all time. That said, until the theatrical versions are released on Blu-ray I won't be adding them to my collection since I can't stand most of the alterations George Lucas made to them.

I'm not sure how many feel this way, and I know it has been rehashed over and over on this site, but I stand with you brother!!!! I have not flinched, nor will I until the day comes were we finally get the unaltered "theatrical" versions released on bluray.

[Hardback247]

Originally Posted by JimSmith

The CGI from the 1997 Star Wars special edition is a complete slimy unadulterated turd, you know, a complete abomination. Get some glasses buddy.

I think some of the changes greatly enhance the experience, including the space action scenes.

[ChainsawJedi]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

I think some of the changes greatly enhance the experience, including the space action scenes.

I've not watched the so-called uot since I don't know when. I have them on VHS. They're in the loft and there they'll stay until unless someone offers a ridiculous amount of money for them (judging by the last response I got when I offered them up on ebay, no-one else wants them either). For some reason I downloaded the fan-made edits (are they by someone called Harmy or is it Adawan?) a while back and I've not watched them either. I guess I just don't have the same attachment issues as some of the other fans. If I want to watch the original six films (because let's not forget, all of those films have been altered since their respective theatrical release) then I watch the blu-rays and I enjoy the hell out of them.

[ChainsawJedi]

Originally Posted by JimSmith

The CGI from the 1997 Star Wars special edition is a complete slimy unadulterated turd, you know, a complete abomination. Get some glasses buddy.

I wear glasses and the CGI from '97 looked great the last time I saw it. Maybe it's you who is myopic.

[Rodney-2187]

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[Rodney-2187]

Star Wars: A New Hope - CGI Jabba Comparison. - YouTube

[drush9999]

I remember Lucas talking about removing that Jabba scene in the 80s, because of the repeated dialogue from the Greedo scene. It also made Jabba a surprise for Return of the Jedi, for those of us waiting for it in 1983. Why he put it back in is still a mystery.

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by JimSmith

The CGI from the 1997 Star Wars special edition is a complete slimy unadulterated turd, you know, a complete abomination. Get some glasses buddy.

Thats your opinion and you're entitled to it. While I dislike *some* of the changes like Han Shooting first and a few of the extra "silly" catooney moments, I also like some of the changes. The Battle of Yavin is 100% better in the special edition. Cleaner, better dog fights, etc. Some of the CG shots of various landscapes help the OT line up better and look more like the PT which of course chronologically happened before so they should look more the same.

Im a huge SW fan and IMO the special editions are overall just fine.

[Porco Azzurro]

I think there are problems with both the original (pre-CGI, like up to the end of the 1980s basically) versions and the Special Editions/DVD editions/Blu-ray editions. They're just different problems.

I'd love restored 'unaltered' (whatever that means, because it's different to different people) versions on Blu-ray, but I'm fine watching the existing versions, and I think there are many things that are improved over the older versions. And there's still room for more improvements IMHO (mostly just very small things that they could fix seamlessly and very easily nowadays).

[ChainsawJedi]

Originally Posted by rodneyfaile

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[ChainsawJedi]

Originally Posted by drush9999

I remember Lucas talking about removing that Jabba scene in the 80s, because of the repeated dialogue from the Greedo scene. It also made Jabba a surprise for Return of the Jedi, for those of us waiting for it in 1983. Why he put it back in is still a mystery.

The scene never made it into the film originally because there was no budget left to replace the original actor with the "proper" Jabba (which I imagine would've been a stop motion effect). So much of the dialogue was inserted into the Greedo scene instead. He put the scene back in simply because he wanted to.

[levcore]

Surely if they always knew Jabba was going to be a massive space slug, they wouldn't have shot the scene with an actor in costume. It would have been easier in those days to stick something in if nothing was in the frame rather than over a human already there.

[ChainsawJedi]

Originally Posted by levcore

Surely if they always knew Jabba was going to be a massive space slug, they wouldn't have shot the scene with an actor in costume. It would have been easier in those days to stick something in if nothing was in the frame rather than over a human already there.

Well, that's how they did it The reason the actor was wearing such a big fur coat was apparently to fill the space that Jabba would eventually fill. Perhaps they thought it would have cost less to superimpose the space slug over the actor in post-production rather than build something akin to the Jabba we all know and love from RoTJ.

[Rodney-2187]

Can't remember which, but one of the documentaries regarding the making of RotJ shows a few different concept ideas for Jabba. I think one had legs and multiple arms. Lucas probably didn't know exactly what he wanted, just that what he had wasn't working. It was a good idea to cut it out and fill in the blank with the Greedo scene. I think it all worked out for the best in the long run. I wish he would have moved on to new things instead of going back and tinkering.

[ChainsawJedi]

Originally Posted by rodneyfaile

Can't remember which, but one of the documentaries regarding the making of RotJ shows a few different concept ideas for Jabba. I think one had legs and multiple arms. Lucas probably didn't know exactly what he wanted, just that what he had wasn't working. It was a good idea to cut it out and fill in the blank with the Greedo scene. I think it all worked out for the best in the long run. I wish he would have moved on to new things instead of going back and tinkering.

I don't think Jabba ever reached the development stages for ANH which is why there were so many different ideas for the character when making RotJ.

As for why didn't George move onto new things, the special editions were an experiment to see how well ILM could work with CGI in preparation for the prequels. The special editions, therefore, being a means to an end, "going on to new things" was exactly what George Lucas did.

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by drush9999

I remember Lucas talking about removing that Jabba scene in the 80s, because of the repeated dialogue from the Greedo scene. It also made Jabba a surprise for Return of the Jedi, for those of us waiting for it in 1983. Why he put it back in is still a mystery.

That's my biggest beef with the Jabba scene. The CGI is... whatever, it's a product of its time. But the scene itself is fundamentally unnecessary and just slows the movie down.

[Rodney-2187]

The wampa itself looks pretty good up and fits well, until the arm is cut off. I've always thought the reaction looked vey fake and sticks out like a sore thumb.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Trxg...ature=youtu.be

As for RotJ, I can't stand even the thought of what was done to the music in Jabba's palace.