Star Wars: The Original Trilogy (1977-1983)

[welcometothepartypal]

Originally Posted by dgoswald

Purists will most likely baulk at the changes made to the OT (even the 1997 edits), but watching ANH a few days ago I thought most were quite decent, with a few falling into a grey area of "good but unnecessary."

My favourite addition is the X-wing group shot as they fly towards the Death Star. That added to the feeling of anticipation at the battle ahead.

The one completely unnecessary edit was the various shots over the course of 30 seconds of that stegosaur-type creature in Mos Eisley, that rears up on to its hind legs as Luke and Obi arrive. That particular example doesn't really enhance those moments except for, IMO, Lucas showing off his CG skills back in 1997. The bit where the arse of another creature obscures the screen as it lumbers across when Luke and Obi are stopped by the Stormtroopers was completely unnecessary. Although the tiny CG bots that hover around in Eisley are a decent addition; they added to what might have been the sparseness of the original scene.

Hans running into a large group of Stormtroopers on the Death Star was decent too, as opposed to a handful of troopers in the original scene. Although for some reason I didn't quite buy the CG in that particular shot; seemed a bit out of place.

I agree with all that. The Mos Eisley "extra scenes" are even more ridiculous considering right before that Obi Wan describes the place as a "wretched hide of scum and villainy". Then we see cute little creatures doing cute little things.

[JamesKurtovich]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

It's a spiritual thing, at least, how I read it. If the whole Force Ghost thing was literal, Anakin would be an old, charred, legless stump on the ground waving at Luke with one left arm. Anakin appearing as his purer soul before he lost himself is not an issue for me.

Saving Luke was pretty much the best thing he ever did, imo. Shaw's Anakin was really the only good Anakin besides the Jingle All The Way Anakin.

Actually, they probably should have just removed his ghost altogether. I can't remember Anakin ever learning how to do that.

[partridge]

ignoring "Han shot first", I really don't like the Jabba scene in ANH. Completely unnecessary and for me, removes the big reveal in Jedi when we see Jabba. The Boba Fett nod to the audience is nothing more than fan feeding too. I'd remove that entire scene!

[dgoswald]

Originally Posted by welcometothepartypal

I agree with all that. The Mos Eisley "extra scenes" are even more ridiculous considering right before that Obi Wan describes the place as a "wretched hide of scum and villainy". Then we see cute little creatures doing cute little things.

I think any additions that helped the audience to gauge a sense of scale and location of not only the landscape but the characters' place in that landscape added, in a positive way, to the film. I appreciate my opinion on this subject might be unpopular.

Originally Posted by partridge

ignoring "Han shot first", I really don't like the Jabba scene in ANH. Completely unnecessary and for me, removes the big reveal in Jedi when we see Jabba. The Boba Fett nod to the audience is nothing more than fan feeding too. I'd remove that entire scene!

It's practically a word-for-word repeat of the conversation Han had with Greedo. It's okay in a way I guess. What's amusing is when Han refers to Jabba as "a wonderful human being." Er, he ain't human, lol.

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by dgoswald

It's practically a word-for-word repeat of the conversation Han had with Greedo. It's okay in a way I guess. What's amusing is when Han refers to Jabba as "a wonderful human being." Er, he ain't human, lol.

That's the gag; Han was insulting him in a polite way.

[dgoswald]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

That's the gag; Han was insulting him in a polite way.

Silly me. How'd I miss that one?

[Geoff D]

That's the great thing about that line: it was plenty sarcastic when said to the human Jabba that they originally shot it with, but when said to the Hutt the sarcasm goes into overdrive, even if it's entirely unintentional.

[Travel4autism]

Anyone else starting to wonder if the original series will ever be converted to 3d like it was originally announced to happen?

[SethRex]

I was hoping to watch all 6 in theaters in 3D so I could finally say I saw all of them in theaters...but sad to say that won't happen....and I'm not sitting in a theater all day for that marathon.

[Astro Zombie]

Originally Posted by partridge

ignoring "Han shot first", I really don't like the Jabba scene in ANH. Completely unnecessary and for me, removes the big reveal in Jedi when we see Jabba. The Boba Fett nod to the audience is nothing more than fan feeding too. I'd remove that entire scene!

Yeah not a fan of that scene. Also the part where Han walks over Jabba's tail looks terrible.

Actually CGI Jabba just looks terrible.

[Vlad Draculi]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I think Vader's bit about "noooooo disintegrations" to Fett is what cemented his status as a badass, if Vader's telling him to cool it then he must be a nutter.

If Boba is supposed to be some psychotic badass, then the movies did a piss poor job of showing this. What I see on screen is some loser moron who gets beaten by accident by a blind man and dies by a giant plant.

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by Vlad Draculi

If Boba is supposed to be some psychotic badass, then the movies did a piss poor job of showing this. What I see on screen is some loser moron who gets beaten by accident by a blind man and dies by a giant plant.

Agreed, which is why I'm hoping one of the spinoff films will address Boba's history with Han.

[Geoff D]

Boba did track Han to Cloud City and informed Vader in Empire though, it's Jedi which turned him into an incompetent buffoon.

[Vlad Draculi]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Boba did track Han to Cloud City and informed Vader in Empire though, it's Jedi which turned him into an incompetent buffoon.

Tracking doesn't make you a good character though. Jar Jar can track people.

[Gamma_Winstead]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

It's a spiritual thing, at least, how I read it. If the whole Force Ghost thing was literal, Anakin would be an old, charred, legless stump on the ground waving at Luke with one left arm. Anakin appearing as his purer soul before he lost himself is not an issue for me.

Shouldn't it be Kid Anakin then? Because Anakin in 3 already committed mass murder of an alien settlement out of pure rage. He'd cut off someone's head because someone else told him to, he'd murdered dozens of innocent children, and he killed everyone he was ever friends with. And that's just from episodes 2 and 3.

Doesn't seem like he was a pure soul to me.

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by Gamma_Winstead

Shouldn't it be Kid Anakin then? Because Anakin in 3 already committed mass murder of an alien settlement out of pure rage. He'd cut off someone's head because someone else told him to, he'd murdered dozens of innocent children, and he killed everyone he was ever friends with. And that's just from episodes 2 and 3.

Doesn't seem like he was a pure soul to me.

His attack on the Tuskens, while extreme, wasn't nearly as bad as his actions under Sidious' orders. Anakin showed genuine remorse, conflict, and regret over the first tragedy, even telling Padme he knows he's "better than this". By the time of the Purge, his desperation had grown at least ten-fold...likely due to Palpatine's manipulations and the distrust of the Jedi. They never knew how to help someone like Anakin, because they'd been set in their current ways for too long.

[aiman04]

The most logical way is to have Sebastian Shaw's bald, charred and amputated limbs appear as the Force ghost. Or seeing them all wear clothes, maybe he should appear in full Darth Vader suit even. There's no way around it if we try to make sense of this. So both the original and the new versions are fine with me.

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by aiman04

The most logical way is to have Sebastian Shaw's bald, charred and amputated limbs appear as the Force ghost. Or seeing them all wear clothes, maybe he should appear in full Darth Vader suit even. There's no way around it if we try to make sense of this. So both the original and the new versions are fine with me.

The best way to make sense of it is simple: Force ghosts appear as the individual did when they were on the side of light. As such, the Sith would not have a form after death. In the cases of Qui-Gon Jinn, Obi-Wan Kenobi, and Yoda, they never fell to darkness...so their ghosts retain the appearance they had at death. Anakin;s ghost is different because he fell, then returned to the light moments before dying...so his ghost reverts to a youthful appearance.

[Gamma_Winstead]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

His attack on the Tuskens, while extreme, wasn't nearly as bad as his actions under Sidious' orders. Anakin showed genuine remorse, conflict, and regret over the first tragedy, even telling Padme he knows he's "better than this". By the time of the Purge, his desperation had grown at least ten-fold...likely due to Palpatine's manipulations and the distrust of the Jedi. They never knew how to help someone like Anakin, because they'd been set in their current ways for too long.

Honestly, that's the biggest problem of the entire saga. Anakins behavior in Episode 2 was unnacetpable for a Jedi Padawan. There's no way, logically, with what we know of the Jedi during that period, that'd they'd have tolerated Anakins BS. He'd have been on a short leash, and wouldn't have been allowed anywhere near Padme, no protection duty of any sort. The fact that they sent a fricken padawan to guard one of the most important senators in the republic is a joke. That should have been the kind of job Mace Windu took on. Or heck, an actual knight. Not some padawan.

Especially when that padawan made it CONSTANTLY clear that he had a strong attraction for Padme. That should have been nipped in the bud ASAP.

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by Gamma_Winstead

Honestly, that's the biggest problem of the entire saga. Anakins behavior in Episode 2 was unnacetpable for a Jedi Padawan. There's no way, logically, with what we know of the Jedi during that period, that'd they'd have tolerated Anakins BS. He'd have been on a short leash, and wouldn't have been allowed anywhere near Padme, no protection duty of any sort. The fact that they sent a fricken padawan to guard one of the most important senators in the republic is a joke. That should have been the kind of job Mace Windu took on. Or heck, an actual knight. Not some padawan.

Especially when that padawan made it CONSTANTLY clear that he had a strong attraction for Padme. That should have been nipped in the bud ASAP.

Well, Lucas had to explain the love story somehow, and while Anakin guarding Padme was definitely unusual, the Jedi were already spread fairly thin with fighting Dooku, looking for Sidious, and investigating the Kaminoans. By the time the Clone Wars broke out, their ranks were even worse off...also a likely result of Palpatine's corruption. He played them all, because they'd allowed themselves to grown stagnant from centuries of tradition. Anakin was a very special case, and treating him the same as any other student was a huge mistake.