81:19 Nielsen/VideoScan Weekly Sales Numbers

[atomik kinder]

Originally Posted by Dalese

Actually per a very interesting article posted at http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/ there were less then 100,000.

How low? Try these numbers...

Transformers HD-DVD
Week Ending 10/21/07 = 89,871 Units (First Week sales as reported in VideoScan First Alert)
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300 HD-DVD/DVD Combo Pack
Week Ending 8/5/07 = 56,191 Units (First Week sales as reported in VideoScan First Alert)
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300 Blu-ray
Week Ending 8/5/07 = 107,351 Units (First Week sales as reported in VideoScan First Alert)


The article by the way is titled "Blu-ray/HD DVD: Which Hollywood Studio Is Accused Of 'Big Ass, Fat, Stupid Lie'?"

Check it out...

Now that you mention it, I did see an article stating how many copies of 300 sold the first week and I thought, that was somewhat lower than what Warner had said. No wonder there were so many copies of Transformers Everywhere I looked. When I went to Best Buy to pick up Meet the Robinsons, there had to be at least 100 copies still sitting on the shelves.

[simpsonps121]

Originally Posted by Rob Zuber

Rollin' rollin' rollin'
Though some will be trollin'
Keep them BDs rollin'
Blu-pride!

Good stuff. :-) Made me laugh.

Take Care,
Matthew

[gand41f]

Originally Posted by Grubert

So gand4lf was right and I was wrong. Hats off to him.

Thanks Grubert. Actually, I was thinking about this today while I was driving and I realized I was just lucky. 51:49 means anything between 51.4999:48.5000 (~3) and 50.5000:49.4999 (~1). That's a factor of 3 in margin of error!

So, it could very easily have been you that was right. I just won one round of crapshoot by pure luck.

enjoy
gandalf

[cueman98]

Originally Posted by Nooff

Wow, that Lee Stewart guy really is some pathetic loser!

According to him it took Blu-Ray 6 times the Hardware and BOGOF deals to win by 1% margin...

Then again, it took HD DVD paying off a studio to get Transformers exclusively, nearly FREE players and FREE movies to lose, AGAIN

So he doesn't know math well does he. 51:49 is a 2% margin. I could go through it, but I don't think I need to.

[gand41f]

Originally Posted by cueman98

So he doesn't know math well does he. 51:49 is a 2% margin. I could go through it, but I don't think I need to.

Hehe. See above, 51:49 could be something like 1.000001% to 2.999999%.

Not that it matters.

enjoy
gandalf

[gand41f]

By the way, has any DUD fanboy pull out the "YTD moved by 1%, we're getting closer woohoo!" spin?

Sorry, don't read other sites much anymore....

enjoy
gandalf

[Stundra]

One question: Is winning week ending 10/28/2007 not the greater challenge? Transformers still in good sales position, with the BOGOs flatted out and no blu exclusives up in the charts. How big is the danger that the real blow we get is week 2?

[The Don]

Originally Posted by Lee Christie

Guess you're all just happy to see we we beet them.

The way I look at is it that one production company switched sides, released one movie (and it's not even some amazing movie that'll be remembered for decades or anything) and gave us the worst week ever, just one percent away form a tie.

If that's how fragile our position at the top of this two-man race is I'm not happy. Don't get me wrong... wish I could be, and I respect those of you who are happy to hear 51%, some of us just weren't born with the optimist gene, that's all.

you're looking at it backwards...

[Grisle]

Originally Posted by Lee Christie

Guess you're all just happy to see we we beet them.

The way I look at is it that one production company switched sides, released one movie (and it's not even some amazing movie that'll be remembered for decades or anything) and gave us the worst week ever, just one percent away form a tie.

If that's how fragile our position at the top of this two-man race is I'm not happy. Don't get me wrong... wish I could be, and I respect those of you who are happy to hear 51%, some of us just weren't born with the optimist gene, that's all.

Do you not understand the masses? It doesn't matter if the movie will be remembered one year from now...the people liked this movie and they want it in high def. There was a big demand for this movie so it was a very dangerous week for BD, but they actually came out ahead and avoided any kind of negative spin. A lot of people were looking for this title to be their savior so their sales were high...you can't be disappointed with a win no matter how small. Anyone who isn't happy with 51:49 is crazy in my opinion. A win is a win and this is a HUGE win.

[Nooff]

Originally Posted by cueman98

So he doesn't know math well does he. 51:49 is a 2% margin. I could go through it, but I don't think I need to.

I think he means that Blu won by 1%, which is true, because 1% less would have meant a draw

[mdm1699]

Originally Posted by Nooff

I think he means that Blu won by 1%, which is true, because 1% less would have meant a draw

It is a two stroke victory. At 1% less they would still have to gain another 1% in order to tie.

[Terjyn]

Originally Posted by gand41f

Thanks Grubert. Actually, I was thinking about this today while I was driving and I realized I was just lucky. 51:49 means anything between 51.4999:48.5000 (~3) and 50.5000:49.4999 (~1). That's a factor of 3 in margin of error!

So, it could very easily have been you that was right. I just won one round of crapshoot by pure luck.

enjoy
gandalf

Actually, you don't know this. A common practice with competing percentages is to always round down the higher number, which would mean these results are between 51 and 51.999999 for Blu.

The main reason they do this is to prevent 99.5 from rounding up to 100.

[WriteSimply]

If Paramount and HD-DVD fans are gloating over the 115,000 sales (if that) of Transformers, here's the real numbers. Just for the heck of it.

The numbers in the BD table initially doesn't tally with the main table because of rounding errors in calculation, based on the POTC numbers (10,981) obtained from the main chart. I corrected it based on the main chart.

The numbers in the HD-DVD is caused by Excell code errors by me; originally the numbers were lower.

Besides Transformers, the #2-5 of HD-DVD's Top 5 sold 9,707 copies.

BD's #2-5 sales generate 26,819 copies. However, there are four BD titles in the Top 5 that are Disney titles. EVEN IF we discounted and halved the numbers for those four BDs because of BOGO, that still means BD's #2-5 sold 21,046 copies => The BOGO calculations numbers - 10,488 (POTC:COTBP) + 6,291 (FF) + 4,267 (Deja Vu).

Basically, without Transformers HD-DVD would be outnumbered by 2:1 yet again.


fuad

[sj001]

Originally Posted by WriteSimply

If Paramount and HD-DVD fans are gloating over the 115,000 sales (if that) of Transformers, here's the real numbers. Just for the heck of it.


The numbers in the BD table is caused by rounding errors, based on the POTC numbers (10,981) obtained from the main chart.


fuad

Umm, that would be pretty hilarious if numbers 2-5 of HD-DVD were only in the low 200's, but as Max mentioned, there must be one more decimal place. Even so, it just shows how weak HD-DVD is in catalog titles, and anything that sells beyond the week of release.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by WriteSimply

The numbers in the HD-DVD is caused by Excell code errors by me; originally the numbers were lower.[/B][/I]

Two recent major new releases (Knocked Up and Evan Almighty) for HD DVD are only about 1/2 of 300 sales on BD (out 10+ weeks). No legs at all. That can't make Universal too happy.

Gary

[WriteSimply]

Originally Posted by sj001

Umm, that would be pretty hilarious if numbers 2-5 of HD-DVD were only in the low 200's, but as Max mentioned, there must be one more decimal place. Even so, it just shows how week HD-DVD is in catalog titles, and anything that sells beyond the week of release.

Please edit your previous post to remove the old pic. Thanks. I wasn't getting my cells coded right.

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

I think you need to add a zero to the end of the HD DVD numbers. 2% of 100K is 2K not 200.

But, still, two recent major new releases (Knocked Up and Evan Almighty) for HD DVD are approaching 1/2 of 300 sales on BD (out 10+ weeks). No legs at all. That can't make Universal too happy.

Gary

I updated the post with a new pic and more analysis. Jumped the gun there a bit. I'm not that good at Excel, ya know.


fuad

[sj001]

Originally Posted by WriteSimply

Please edit your previous post to remove the old pic. Thanks. I wasn't getting my cells coded right.

I updated the post with a new pic and more analysis. Jumped the gun there a bit. I'm not that good at Excel, ya know.


fuad

I removed it...

[radagast]

Originally Posted by Lee Christie

Guess you're all just happy to see we we beet them.

If we BEET them, they must be pretty RED. Of course we beat them, too.

[whippersnapper]

Originally Posted by Stundra

One question: Is winning week ending 10/28/2007 not the greater challenge? Transformers still in good sales position, with the BOGOs flatted out and no blu exclusives up in the charts. How big is the danger that the real blow we get is week 2?

Nope, the first week included all the pre-orders that were placed prior to the release date but not counted until the release week. No such "backlog" exists to prop up second week numbers.

[BillCable]

Originally Posted by The Don

If HD DVD was going to show any sort of promise, they would have taken this week's Neilsen Scan numbers.....

they really should have taken the week 60-40 with a release like that vs nothing worth noting on Blu-ray...

If not for the BOGOs it would have been 60-40 HD DVD if not even more lopsided. The BDA made a fantastic tactical decision to ensure victory, but we shouldn't dismiss Transformers' numbers too easily. This week proved that the BDA can outmaneuver HD DVD at will, but TF did sell a record number of HD DVDs.