81:19 Nielsen/VideoScan Weekly Sales Numbers

[edgebsl]

Originally Posted by richard lichtenfelt

Seems more like Mr. Silverberg, the VP of high definition media for WB, stated something that raged out of control over the internet in a way that he hadn't imagined. Then someone from the Strategic Promotion and Communication division for Warner Home Entertainment Group had to engage in crowd control.
I'm not certain, but it just seems to me that to say they adamantly denied exclusivity is not entirely accurate. Do you remember when it leaked about the PS3 price being lowered to $399? Sony came out and denied it, but it happened anyway.

This is exactly what happened. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to spot damage control.

It seems to me he may have "said too much".

Now where did he say they were strongly committed to hd dvd? RIght?

Someone speaks of dropping a format and then talks about how committed they are to Blu Ray, that seems quite telling. I was flabbergasted to see hd dvd guys going "He means us! They are going to pick us"!

For extinction maybe.
When someone doesnt say which format theyre going to drop...then spews on about how much they are committed to one.....what does that really say?

The $99 player thing was an impressive feat...but I can't imagine a "Win" strategy in the playbook at this point. I think they have smelled the end and want to be a big huge thorn in Blu Rays side until finally being cast out.

Only speculation here...but that's sure what it looks like to me.

I think we can pretty much rule out an HD DVD "win" week with the nielsons for the rest of q4. Especially if it doesnt happen this week with the A2 sales.

[JAGUAR1977]

Originally Posted by Elandyll

The "5 or 10" year comment is extremely obvious as an attempt to not scare off buyers of either formats for the end of the year.

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True, it did raise an eyebrow when they mentioned that timespan, as if they were being overly defensive.

[richteer]

Originally Posted by blu2

I just don't think it will happen based on the latest statements. It seems clear, and Warner has always claimed they are better off neutral.

Up till now, I agree that supporting both formats has been good for Warner. But if they (and the whole industry) want to make big bucks, HD has to be adopted my the mainstream J6P. And that can't happen with two competing formats.

For the sake of the business, either HD DVD or Blu-ray must die. Being a techie geek, I want the format with superior tech specs to win. Fortunately, that format (Blu-ray) has an indisputable lead over HD DVD, so it makes sense for the latter to be killed off.

Warner and other big players (e.g., Best Buy, Frys, etc.) can help bring this war to an end by picking Blu sooner rather than later. The consumer has spoken; Blu outselling HD DVD every week so far this year (and more than likely the rest of the year too) says that they have chosen Blu-ray as their next high def video medium of choice.

[elwaylite]

This thread gets waaaaaaaaaaaaaay off topic waaaaaaaaaaay too much.

[Terjyn]

Originally Posted by Steverhcp02

Listen, i have no problem with wickywoo. I'm only saying, just because hes saying something doesnt mean its a FACT. It doesnt matter who started the rumor, the fact that Wicky's sources, as well as Max's still led them to believe the conference was ging down isnt their fault.

Im not attacking him, and im getting very irritated with how people are reacting to NORMAL objectivity. Im seeing a dangerous circle jerk here that i never remembered seeing, and it makes me sad.

Im just saying, WickyWoo saying something doesnt mean its a fact as we have seen by the WB conference. Its probably not his fault, his sources can get wrong info as well.....im sick of people drawing this 7 year old line in the sand with your with us or against us mentaliity. We are above that here, so stop taking on posters with realistic skepticism just because they arent in on a circle jerk. I have never atacked WickyWoo and never will. Hes a great mod and informat.....but im not about to believe something JUST because hes saying it right now.

Sorry if you have a problem with that and misunderstood where i was coming from

It is us or them. You can't come in here with a post which is no better than something that would spew from the biggest HD-DVDite from AVSforum and then expect people to just sit back and ignore it. 99% of those here who claim to be "neutral" are HD-DVDers pulling troll tactics.

Frankly I don't care where you are coming from. Nobody is perfect, but attacking the credibility of someone based on imperfection is inexcusable. Someone with no credibility does not get to freely attack the credibility of some who's earned it.

This is BLU-RAY.com. If you feel the need to mock or rail on Blu-Ray, or argue with the people with actual connections, do it elsewhere. Go to AVS and mock Wicky, they will worship you for it. Don't do it here.

[WickyWoo]

This is BLU-RAY.com. If you feel the need to mock or rail on Blu-Ray, or argue with the people with actual connections, do it elsewhere. Go to AVS and mock Wicky, they will worship you for it. Don't do it here.

Hey I'm one more "Amir is a shill" post away from a permaban there

Maybe there will be amnesty and all will be forgiven now?

[blu2]

Originally Posted by phloyd

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/new...ticle_ID=11514

No big surprises there...

No, but they left out the important details!

[jsb_hburg]

For HP, what is better share-wise: (1) buying the box set with all five movies or (2) buying each of the five movies individually?

[blu2]

Originally Posted by edgebsl

This is exactly what happened. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to spot damage control.

The reality there was speculation in all quarters (such as this forum and every other forum, and the media) about a choice being made. It would have been irresponsible for them not to clarify the situation if it was not their intent to go exclusive.

Seems rather than settling it, it just breeds more hope and speculation.

Anyway, I don't think there's going to a quick and easy win due to another studio switch. More slogging ahead on the ground by Blu Ray is needed to eliminate HD DVD.

[BillCable]

Originally Posted by jsb_hburg

For HP, what is better share-wise: (1) buying the box set with all five movies or (2) buying each of the five movies individually?

5 individuals buys = 5 unit sales.
box set = 1 unit sale.

So if you're looking to help on the Nielsens, buy the 5 individually. But I think Warner would be happier with people buying the set.

[Steverhcp02]

Originally Posted by Terjyn

It is us or them. You can't come in here with a post which is no better than something that would spew from the biggest HD-DVDite from AVSforum and then expect people to just sit back and ignore it. 99% of those here who claim to be "neutral" are HD-DVDers pulling troll tactics.

Frankly I don't care where you are coming from. Nobody is perfect, but attacking the credibility of someone based on imperfection is inexcusable. Someone with no credibility does not get to freely attack the credibility of some who's earned it.

This is BLU-RAY.com. If you feel the need to mock or rail on Blu-Ray, or argue with the people with actual connections, do it elsewhere. Go to AVS
and mock Wicky, they will worship you for it. Don't do it here.

whatever man, im sick of defending myself. You can think what you want about me....but the fact Wicky hasnt contacted me and hasnt even said anything to me just shows how professional and mature he is. I'm assuming hes read my posts and probably doesnt have a problem with me being healthily skeptical. I've never mocked him or railed on BD. Youre absurd for attacking me this way for my calm and rational explanation for wanting to merely wait for offical numbers.

funny how Wicky doesnt take it personally and everyone else does. Just another testament to why hes a great mod and a great poster. as ive said before and ill keep saying.

[phloyd]

Originally Posted by BillCable

5 individuals buys = 5 unit sales.
box set = 1 unit sale.

So if you're looking to help on the Nielsens, buy the 5 individually. But I think Warner would be happier with people buying the set.

Is the fifth movie even available independently?

Short of importing it from England I am not sure it is available ... any pointers?

[Slapper]

Originally Posted by elwaylite

This thread gets waaaaaaaaaaaaaay off topic waaaaaaaaaaay too much.

I agree.
My guess for tomorrow: 80/20
Next week with residual sales of Spidey stacked on top of the Pixar trifecta, I'm hoping for 84/16.

If either of these next two Fridays goes below 75% in favor of Blu, I will be very surprised.

[kurtlingle]

Originally Posted by Slapper

I agree.
My guess for tomorrow: 80/20
Next week with residual sales of Spidey stacked on top of the Pixar trifecta, I'm hoping for 84/16.

If either of these next two Fridays goes below 75% in favor of Blu, I will be very surprised.

My guess is also 80/20 (blu - of course!)

[aphex]

I'm not even at all worried about shrek week. Close encounters is already at 90 while shrek is at like 120 on amazon rankings. Now I know you can't base anything on amazon rankings, but it looks like popularity for Shrek isn't that high. less than a week until it comes out and it hasn't even popped up above the top 100? I bet old rats+old sm3 > shrek3

[westend]

I'm going on record with 65:35

[Steverhcp02]

Originally Posted by aphex

I'm not even at all worried about shrek week. Close encounters is already at 90 while shrek is at like 120 on amazon rankings. Now I know you can't base anything on amazon rankings, but it looks like popularity for Shrek isn't that high. less than a week until it comes out and it hasn't even popped up above the top 100? I bet old rats+old sm3 > shrek3

Seriously, look at chuck and larry....that thing is dropping like a rock. I wouldnt be surprised if the residuals of Cars and Ratty outsell shrek....let alone the Spidey residuals. Not to mention Oceans 11, 12, 13 box set will sell more than th eHD DVD counterpart adding even more.

I think we will see the muscle in BD residuals and inflated PS3 players soon.

But i wouldnt count on CE3K's amazon sales.....Shrek is a title that will undoubtedly benefit from B&M sales as opposed to online sales...whereas CE3K will probably show a more inflated online sale with the price and the "savvyness" of its potential buyers

[blurayboy]

I'm predicting 77:23 for Blu this week

[WickyWoo]

[quote]

Why do you think Warner will go exclusive when they have adamantly said they will not?

"Like any major company, we are always reviewing our strategies in every aspect of our business, it is what smart companies do. I can't say what may happen five, ten years down the line. But right now, Warner Bros. has made no decision to change course. We are still onboard with both formats, and will continue [with a strong line-up of new releases and catalog titles], just as we have in the past in supporting HD DVD and Blu-ray."

Because that's typical corporate doublespeak to dodge the question. Something is false until it's true. We've made no decision until the ink is dry on the paper despite the fact that the document has been sitting on my desk since May (a hypothetical)

The bottom line is to take press releases as what they are: Advertising and spin. The problem with journalism today, and especially people in the tech sector is that they do very little analysis, and tend to just take everything at face value without looking things like the players involved, the motivations behind it and such. If they did, then you would stop seeing these sorts of things

The bottom line is that at least in industry publications, I get the real feeling that everyone is right about sick of the BS, they're mad that so far as I know no one but the HTF crowd have gotten their $99 A2s from VSDA(no retailers or journalists), and the fact that no fewer than 3 of them have mentioned it in print

[aristotles]

Originally Posted by Terjyn

This is BLU-RAY.com.

That reminds me. My sig at AVS had:
Madness? This is Blu-ray!

I'm not going to go with a prediction but I will say that it will be a decisive win for Blu-ray.